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Post by Jeremy Fragrance on Jul 14, 2022 14:42:34 GMT -5
“ 1) Only "active" or potentially active acts can be drafted. If you're planning on booking a reunion, you need to demonstrate that there is a reasonable reason to believe that it could happen. (This rules out Talking Heads, for example.) An artist is considered "active" if they have had or will have one public performance(s) of six or more songs between 1/1/17 and 12/31/22. (This eliminates things like Rock and Roll Hall of fame performances, one-offs for benefits, awards show reunions, talk/variety show appearances, etc.) An artist would be considered inactive if they don't meet the live performance requirements or if there is credible documentation that an act has broken up or has no plans of touring.”
"On 24 March 2020, Bill Rieflin died of cancer.[206] In the same year, Gordon Haskell died of lung cancer on 15 October.[207]
The band toured North America and then Japan in 2021. Levin wrote on his blog that the last Japanese date was, "the final concert of the tour, and quite possibly the final King Crimson concert". That and comments shortly before by Fripp on social media were interpreted as meaning that King Crimson, or at least this line-up, had come to an end.[208][209] Levin also spoke of "what is likely King Crimson's last concert" in comments to Prog magazine.[210] Levin and Jakszyk had earlier said that the North America tour was probably the band's last there.[211][212]
On 9 February 2022, founding King Crimson member Ian McDonald died of cancer.[30]"
If you're picking Crimson and this gets allowed, who even is playing anymore. They're pretty much all dead? Fripp and Lev?
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"On 24 March 2020, Bill Rieflin died of cancer.[206] In the same year, Gordon Haskell died of lung cancer on 15 October.[207]
The band toured North America and then Japan in 2021. Levin wrote on his blog that the last Japanese date was, "the final concert of the tour, and quite possibly the final King Crimson concert". That and comments shortly before by Fripp on social media were interpreted as meaning that King Crimson, or at least this line-up, had come to an end.[208][209] Levin also spoke of "what is likely King Crimson's last concert" in comments to Prog magazine.[210] Levin and Jakszyk had earlier said that the North America tour was probably the band's last there.[211][212]
On 9 February 2022, founding King Crimson member Ian McDonald died of cancer.[30]"
If you're picking Crimson and this gets allowed, who even is playing anymore. They're pretty much all dead? Fripp and Lev?
Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on Jul 14, 2022 15:04:37 GMT -5
"An artist would be considered inactive if they don't meet the live performance requirements or if there is credible documentation that an act has broken up or has no plans of touring.”
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
"An artist would be considered inactive if they don't meet the live performance requirements or if there is credible documentation that an act has broken up or has no plans of touring.”
Seems pretty unambiguous to me
literally what does that rule even mean? Does an act that has no tour dates announced count?
"On 24 March 2020, Bill Rieflin died of cancer.[206] In the same year, Gordon Haskell died of lung cancer on 15 October.[207]
The band toured North America and then Japan in 2021. Levin wrote on his blog that the last Japanese date was, "the final concert of the tour, and quite possibly the final King Crimson concert". That and comments shortly before by Fripp on social media were interpreted as meaning that King Crimson, or at least this line-up, had come to an end.[208][209] Levin also spoke of "what is likely King Crimson's last concert" in comments to Prog magazine.[210] Levin and Jakszyk had earlier said that the North America tour was probably the band's last there.[211][212]
On 9 February 2022, founding King Crimson member Ian McDonald died of cancer.[30]"
If you're picking Crimson and this gets allowed, who even is playing anymore. They're pretty much all dead? Fripp and Lev?
two of the people that you mentioned here haven't been in the band since the 70s, and they did an entire tour after Bill died, none of the people quoted are Robert Fripp, but everyone who played this year is still alive
"On 24 March 2020, Bill Rieflin died of cancer.[206] In the same year, Gordon Haskell died of lung cancer on 15 October.[207]
The band toured North America and then Japan in 2021. Levin wrote on his blog that the last Japanese date was, "the final concert of the tour, and quite possibly the final King Crimson concert". That and comments shortly before by Fripp on social media were interpreted as meaning that King Crimson, or at least this line-up, had come to an end.[208][209] Levin also spoke of "what is likely King Crimson's last concert" in comments to Prog magazine.[210] Levin and Jakszyk had earlier said that the North America tour was probably the band's last there.[211][212]
On 9 February 2022, founding King Crimson member Ian McDonald died of cancer.[30]"
If you're picking Crimson and this gets allowed, who even is playing anymore. They're pretty much all dead? Fripp and Lev?
two of the people that you mentioned here haven't been in the band since the 70s, and they did an entire tour after Bill died, none of the people quoted are Robert Fripp, but everyone who played this year is still alive
So you're saying that the people who passed away weren't even active in the band anymore? Either way, you have three people suggesting that they're not gonna tour anymore even when they did a tour after Bill passed away. Idk if that's enough, or makes it okay. I don't care enough, I was just going through their wiki lol.
Cookin' Mama get in here, tell us why it is eligible <3
They're legit just saying "oh we might be done" (which they might!) but they haven't officially broken up or anything or actually said they're not touring anymore. Lots of maybe's and might's in those quotes which doesn't meet the credible documentation requirement for me!
"On 24 March 2020, Bill Rieflin died of cancer.[206] In the same year, Gordon Haskell died of lung cancer on 15 October.[207]
The band toured North America and then Japan in 2021. Levin wrote on his blog that the last Japanese date was, "the final concert of the tour, and quite possibly the final King Crimson concert". That and comments shortly before by Fripp on social media were interpreted as meaning that King Crimson, or at least this line-up, had come to an end.[208][209] Levin also spoke of "what is likely King Crimson's last concert" in comments to Prog magazine.[210] Levin and Jakszyk had earlier said that the North America tour was probably the band's last there.[211][212]
On 9 February 2022, founding King Crimson member Ian McDonald died of cancer.[30]"
If you're picking Crimson and this gets allowed, who even is playing anymore. They're pretty much all dead? Fripp and Lev?
two of the people that you mentioned here haven't been in the band since the 70s, and they did an entire tour after Bill died, none of the people quoted are Robert Fripp, but everyone who played this year is still alive
To be clear, there have been no KC shows this year.
Post by piggy pablo on Jul 14, 2022 15:41:12 GMT -5
I kinda think if a band's Wiki says they aren't gonna tour anymore that should be good enough because someone who knows more than us about the band probably edits their Wiki and isn't friends with Tranter.
Yeah. That's what he was saying. Every album from the first has at least some different personnel. Some albums even have entirely new bands on them. The two mainstay lineups were:
'72 Larks Tongues in Aspic (Fripp, Brufford, Wetton, Jamie Muir and David Cross) '73 Starless & Bible Black (Fripp, Bruford, Wetton, Cross) '74 Red (Fripp, Bruford, Wetton)
'81 Discipline (Fripp, Bruford, Levin, Belew) '82 Beat (Fripp, Bruford, Levin, Belew) '84 Three of a Perfect Pair (Fripp, Bruford, Levin, Belew)
Fripp broke them up in 74 and again in 1984. He opened up his school in West Virginia where dozens of guitarists went there for retreat every week or two. He reassembled in the mid 1990's for Thrak. And then he's had various lineups of sextets and septets sometimes with a pool of musicians to draw from that were part of their extended family. Fripp, Levin and one of the 3 drummers Pat Mastelotto have been the main core with various other people including Jako on vocals. Since the band has probably had over 30 (40?) members, lots of them are dead now. They just finished up a makeup US tour as a sextet (3 drummers, bass, guitar, singer) last summer. I think it's the swan song forever, but seems like it would be within y'all's rules to have them on a festival lineup.
I kinda think if a band's Wiki says they aren't gonna tour anymore that should be good enough because someone who knows more than us about the band probably edits their Wiki and isn't friends with Tranter.
” King Crimson are a progressive rock band formed in 1968 in London, England”
Post by piggy pablo on Jul 14, 2022 15:51:12 GMT -5
"The band is likely not to tour again after 2021."
And I think if the bassist says it's probably the last show he probably has a pretty good idea about that, even if he's not Robert Fripp. That's being pretty severely downplayed. Again, he knows better than any of yall.
"An artist would be considered inactive if they don't meet the live performance requirements or if there is credible documentation that an act has broken up or has no plans of touring.”
Seems pretty unambiguous to me
literally what does that rule even mean? Does an act that has no tour dates announced count?
I dont think that's what it means. I think it's meant to reference situations exactly like this one where bands/artists have announced they dont plan on touring ("likely our last concert", "quite possibly the final concert", etc.). I do acknowledge there's some weasel words there but the good-faith interpretation here is that they dont plan on touring. Just my take!
Cookin' Mama get in here, tell us why it is eligible <3
They're legit just saying "oh we might be done" (which they might!) but they haven't officially broken up or anything or actually said they're not touring anymore. Lots of maybe's and might's in those quotes which doesn't meet the credible documentation requirement for me!
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on Jul 14, 2022 16:02:34 GMT -5
To use an analogy: If I ask someone if they're going to a music festival and they say "I'm probably not going", I think it's reasonable to assume they're not going absent further evidence
literally what does that rule even mean? Does an act that has no tour dates announced count?
I dont think that's what it means. I think it's meant to reference situations exactly like this one where bands/artists have announced they dont plan on touring ("likely our last concert", "quite possibly the final concert", etc.). I do acknowledge there's some weasel words there but the good-faith interpretation here is that they dont plan on touring. Just my take!
I think it's a rule that just gets copy and pasted every draft, same with the "reunion" thing. I think your understanding of the rule is fine and I appreciate the good faith effort. I think the way the rule is written is super wonky.
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