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I don’t think September will make it look possible.
Firefly Music Festival will be held in september when its cold and rainy
No, I really don’t think Firefly Music Festival will be held in September because the weather will be getting cooler and they need to move it back to June when it’s warm and hot.
dam RIP this fest. this is pretty sad this festival got me into going to festivals and I had a number of great times with some of my closest friends at this thing. also the fest that made me create an account on inforoo dot com. will toast to firefly tonight
Aeg saving their pennies and looking at who is available for 2024. Not a bad move. They can wait for the market to correct itself cause some fests wont make it through 2023.
Post by xfinitypass on Oct 27, 2022 11:41:20 GMT -5
Kinda makes sense for this fest to take a recharge year. If a top 4 of MCR - Green Day - Dua Lipa - Halsey didn't push a bunch of tickets, they need to do some rethinking of the marketing strategy. 2 huge headliners coming off mostly sold-out arena shows with insanely high-priced floor tickets and Green Day coming off that co-headlining stadium tour should've been gold.
I personally thought this was a really strong lineup even though I ended up not going due to life circumstances, but I also think they could benefit a lot from maybe focusing in the bookings. The lineups that have been performing strong have been the ones that hit certain niches really hard. If they really zoomed in on say 2000s/early 2010s radio alt/indie that the festival was built on, it might draw more interest. As big into variety fests as I am, they just aren't in rn, and Firefly has an easy pivot to doubling down on their alt-rock roots. A really focused alt-rock lineup would do this fest a lot more good than just getting lots of solid names across genres like this year.
Also, fix the scheduling, because from what I saw, that schedule was one of the worst of the year giving people really poor ability to see a solid volume of artists.
I love the Woodlands itself, but if I were them I would try and find another site that's not in Dover.
A festival of this size needs to be in reasonable proximity to a city that has a healthy baseline of accommodations around it. If you don't want to camp at Firefly, you are competing for space in maybe a dozen small scale hotels (half of which are incredibly sketchy) and a handful of Airbnbs, all marked up to insane levels.
That's always going to limit overall attendance and hamper single day ticket sales. People can't make last minute plans to come to Firefly because there's nowhere to stay within 30 minutes of the site. Camping is great if you're into it, but it shouldn't be the only viable option if they want to host a large-scale, big tent festival in the northeast.
I love the Woodlands itself, but if I were them I would try and find another site that's not in Dover.
A festival of this size needs to be in reasonable proximity to a city that has a healthy baseline of accommodations around it. If you don't want to camp at Firefly, you are competing for space in maybe a dozen small scale hotels (half of which are incredibly sketchy) and a handful of Airbnbs, all marked up to insane levels.
That's always going to limit overall attendance and hamper single day ticket sales. People can't make last minute plans to come to Firefly because there's nowhere to stay within 30 minutes of the site. Camping is great if you're into it, but it shouldn't be the only viable option if they want to host a large-scale, big tent festival in the northeast.
if it moves, somewhere in VT, western MA, or upstate NY would be really nice imo
I love the Woodlands itself, but if I were them I would try and find another site that's not in Dover.
A festival of this size needs to be in reasonable proximity to a city that has a healthy baseline of accommodations around it. If you don't want to camp at Firefly, you are competing for space in maybe a dozen small scale hotels (half of which are incredibly sketchy) and a handful of Airbnbs, all marked up to insane levels.
That's always going to limit overall attendance and hamper single day ticket sales. People can't make last minute plans to come to Firefly because there's nowhere to stay within 30 minutes of the site. Camping is great if you're into it, but it shouldn't be the only viable option if they want to host a large-scale, big tent festival in the northeast.
I dont think there is another camping festival outside of maybe Coachella with as strong of a nearby hotel scene
I love the Woodlands itself, but if I were them I would try and find another site that's not in Dover.
A festival of this size needs to be in reasonable proximity to a city that has a healthy baseline of accommodations around it. If you don't want to camp at Firefly, you are competing for space in maybe a dozen small scale hotels (half of which are incredibly sketchy) and a handful of Airbnbs, all marked up to insane levels.
That's always going to limit overall attendance and hamper single day ticket sales. People can't make last minute plans to come to Firefly because there's nowhere to stay within 30 minutes of the site. Camping is great if you're into it, but it shouldn't be the only viable option if they want to host a large-scale, big tent festival in the northeast.
I dont think there is another camping festival outside of maybe Coachella with as strong of a nearby hotel scene
I was going to say the same thing, I can't imagine many camping festivals having the available hotels nearby that Firefly does.
I love the Woodlands itself, but if I were them I would try and find another site that's not in Dover.
A festival of this size needs to be in reasonable proximity to a city that has a healthy baseline of accommodations around it. If you don't want to camp at Firefly, you are competing for space in maybe a dozen small scale hotels (half of which are incredibly sketchy) and a handful of Airbnbs, all marked up to insane levels.
That's always going to limit overall attendance and hamper single day ticket sales. People can't make last minute plans to come to Firefly because there's nowhere to stay within 30 minutes of the site. Camping is great if you're into it, but it shouldn't be the only viable option if they want to host a large-scale, big tent festival in the northeast.
I dont think there is another camping festival outside of maybe Coachella with as strong of a nearby hotel scene
You can camp at EDC if you want or stay on the strip. Thats the only other big fest that has the availability in the u.s. Reading in the UK is one that i can think of off the top of my head that has camping and being able to stay in the city to attend.
I assume there is a pretty significant cost/budget gap between Firefly and Hula or Okee that allows them to subsist off of dedicated campers. Bonnaroo has a campground culture and general cache that I think makes it work (even if ticket sales haven't been as robust in recent years), but I think Firefly misses out on folks from the DC/Philly/Baltimore markets who would otherwise be inclined to attend if the options weren't "stay in a tent near a constant party and a possible downpour/busted showers" or "walk down the highway to a $1,200k Sleep Inn (assuming you can find a room)".
I live a few hours away and loved the headliners this year, but I didn't come back this year because I couldn't find a reasonable alternative to camping (I've camped at Coachella plenty of times, but the weather in Dover and 4 nights isn't what I'm looking for). I don't know any of my regular concert going friends who would attend under the current setup. So totally a personal gripe, but I think it's one that many potential attendees share.
I dont think there is another camping festival outside of maybe Coachella with as strong of a nearby hotel scene
You can camp at EDC if you want or stay on the strip. Thats the only other big fest that has the availability in the u.s. Reading in the UK is one that i can think of off the top of my head that has camping and being able to stay in the city to attend.
I dont think most would consider EDC a camping festival
I assume there is a pretty significant cost/budget gap between Firefly and Hula or Okee that allows them to subsist off of dedicated campers. Bonnaroo has a campground culture and general cache that I think makes it work (even if ticket sales haven't been as robust in recent years), but I think Firefly misses out on folks from the DC/Philly/Baltimore markets who would otherwise be inclined to attend if the options weren't "stay in a tent near a constant party and a possible downpour/busted showers" or "walk down the highway to a $1,200k Sleep Inn (assuming you can find a room)".
I live a few hours away and loved the headliners this year, but I didn't come back this year because I couldn't find a reasonable alternative to camping (I've camped at Coachella plenty of times, but the weather in Dover and 4 nights isn't what I'm looking for). I don't know any of my regular concert going friends who would attend under the current setup. So totally a personal gripe, but I think it's one that many potential attendees share.
Ive gotten rooms at those hotels for 3 or 4 years and never had a rate above 250 a night
You can camp at EDC if you want or stay on the strip. Thats the only other big fest that has the availability in the u.s. Reading in the UK is one that i can think of off the top of my head that has camping and being able to stay in the city to attend.
I dont think most would consider EDC a camping festival
Well they offer it and it sells out every year so people seem to like it. Still though, for a festival that has camping onsite and then a plethora of lodging options available, it fits that criteria somewhat.
I assume there is a pretty significant cost/budget gap between Firefly and Hula or Okee that allows them to subsist off of dedicated campers. Bonnaroo has a campground culture and general cache that I think makes it work (even if ticket sales haven't been as robust in recent years), but I think Firefly misses out on folks from the DC/Philly/Baltimore markets who would otherwise be inclined to attend if the options weren't "stay in a tent near a constant party and a possible downpour/busted showers" or "walk down the highway to a $1,200k Sleep Inn (assuming you can find a room)".
I live a few hours away and loved the headliners this year, but I didn't come back this year because I couldn't find a reasonable alternative to camping (I've camped at Coachella plenty of times, but the weather in Dover and 4 nights isn't what I'm looking for). I don't know any of my regular concert going friends who would attend under the current setup. So totally a personal gripe, but I think it's one that many potential attendees share.
You may be right, but I have almost the polar opposite take. The draw for me and my core Firefly group is that this isn’t just another “city-festival.” The multi-day, relatively late night, camping atmosphere and location that is just-convenient-enough for NYC, Philly, and the DMV is a big part of the draw. I think that going more-metro entails a lot of risk from a sales perspective. Not sure it would be able to effectively differentiate itself from Boston Calling, Panorama, and Gov Ball (to name just a few). I also echo others that hotel is an option, and we have a smaller part of the group that elects to trek from the hotels every year.
dam RIP this fest. this is pretty sad this festival got me into going to festivals and I had a number of great times with some of my closest friends at this thing. also the fest that made me create an account on inforoo dot com. will toast to firefly tonight
This does kind of feel like the beginning of the end for the fest as we know it. The crowd size this year was just depressing, and you could tell how scaled down it was by the size of the mainstage area, the inflated prices for food and libations, and the absence of the dogfish head tent, which has been a mainstay since 2013 as I recall. Ideally they'll return in June of 2024 with a lineup tonally more similar to the early iterations of the fest, but they could also move venues or just quietly call it quits sometime later next year.
03/14 - Thievery Corporation 04/25 - Black Country, New Road 05/04 - In Flames, Gatecreeper 05/10 - Modern Life is War 05/21 - Spite, Bodysnatcher, Thrown 05/29 - Knocked Loose, Loathe, Show me the Body, Speed 06/02 - Bush 06/22 - George Thorogood 06/23 - Dillinger Escape Plan, Deadguy, Candy, Carbomb
dam RIP this fest. this is pretty sad this festival got me into going to festivals and I had a number of great times with some of my closest friends at this thing. also the fest that made me create an account on inforoo dot com. will toast to firefly tonight
This does kind of feel like the beginning of the end for the fest as we know it. The crowd size this year was just depressing, and you could tell how scaled down it was by the size of the mainstage area, the inflated prices for food and libations, and the absence of the dogfish head tent, which has been a mainstay since 2013 as I recall. Ideally they'll return in June of 2024 with a lineup tonally more similar to the early iterations of the fest, but they could also move venues or just quietly call it quits sometime later next year.
It's interesting - after the failure of Panorama, I figured AEG would put all their effort behind Firefly in the quest for an East Coast Coachella. They just haven't been able to get anything really rolling over here.
dam RIP this fest. this is pretty sad this festival got me into going to festivals and I had a number of great times with some of my closest friends at this thing. also the fest that made me create an account on inforoo dot com. will toast to firefly tonight
This does kind of feel like the beginning of the end for the fest as we know it. The crowd size this year was just depressing, and you could tell how scaled down it was by the size of the mainstage area, the inflated prices for food and libations, and the absence of the dogfish head tent, which has been a mainstay since 2013 as I recall. Ideally they'll return in June of 2024 with a lineup tonally more similar to the early iterations of the fest, but they could also move venues or just quietly call it quits sometime later next year.
The most depressing thing I saw this year was how much they stripped down and cut out from the original identity of the festival. Like you said, they took away the Dogfish tent, the beercade (years ago), the Wed pre-party, even like the coffeehouse or treehouse sets are nothing like they used to be. There use to be some pretty big names that would do a second set at those smaller stages... Travis Barker, grouplove, M83, Manchester Orchestra, OAR, etc all did sets there.