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This is already the dumbest game of mafia I've ever played. pinkstickynote please don't tell me you guessed Cinci 🙄
…i can confirm it wasn’t a self-wack
could it be pink / farris / potent? the latter there might go for something like this. so would dan but my gut is telling me he is frustrated town. i need to read back through with a lens that isn't convinced cum's town (because ive been operating with that opinion since early d2) to gauge that possibility too
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
could it be pink / farris / potent? the latter there might go for something like this. so would dan but my gut is telling me he is frustrated town. i need to read back through with a lens that isn't convinced cum's town (because ive been operating with that opinion since early d2) to gauge that possibility too
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by pinkstickynote on Mar 31, 2023 19:38:16 GMT -5
i get why rummy is creating this narrative bc it’s the only thing she can do at this point, but if i was maf, it would make no sense for me to repeatedly put myself in the most difficult positions over and over again, even if this was some super big-brained operation.
Post by Maᴙket Down on Mar 31, 2023 19:50:43 GMT -5
I’ll say it now. Dan, I think you’re inspector with pink as your given. You’re waiting for the third to mess up since you know it’s Pink. I’m going Pink/Farris/Durkle as my guess.
Market > Pink
If pink was inspo they’d gotten whacked. I said I was going Rummy, but pink decided to run their mouth before votes today.
I’ll say it now. Dan, I think you’re inspector with pink as you’re given. You’re waiting for the third to mess up since you know it’s Pink. I’m going Pink/Farris/Durkle as my guess.
Market > Pink
If pink was inspo they’d gotten whacked. I said I was going Rummy, but pink decided to run their mouth before votes today.
if dan is town, i’m sure he can disprove this theory of yours (assuming it’s based on what he said when he voted for potent d1?)
I’ll say it now. Dan, I think you’re inspector with pink as your given. You’re waiting for the third to mess up since you know it’s Pink. I’m going Pink/Farris/Durkle as my guess.
Market > Pink
If pink was inspo they’d gotten whacked. I said I was going Rummy, but pink decided to run their mouth before votes today.
am glad you're seeing through pink but not sure your dan angle makes sense. would be wonderful if hes inspo and still alive, but i dont see an inspo dan playing it like that
im coming back to this shit show tmrw with fresh eyes to reread etc.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
theres no question in my mind that pink is mafia and lying. this would be an insane town fake. pls explain like im five why i would want to vote cum out right now instead of pink???
you wouldn't, because you’re mafia. and when you choose not to wack me tonight and leave me as a boy-who-cried-wolf tomorrow, you’ll convince everyone to vote me out, wack another townie, and then probably convince everyone to vote for another townie the next day and we’ll be completely fucked. and i know you’re going to take this as yet another sign of “mafia” covering their tracks in case i don’t get whacked tonight but with how hard you’re fighting against this, i can’t see you just whacking me tonight and disproving yourself that quickly
im on mobile so idk if i can quote with another quote but durkle i called this yesterday because after seeing how hard rummy was going on her argument, i couldn’t see her just dropping it. granted i did learn about self-wacking afterwards so maf could have still whacked me and just claimed i self-whacked but it makes more sense for them to do this bc they get to whack an extra townie (cincy) and try to turn public opinion against me and potentially get the votes on me rather than rummy today
This situation reminds me a lot of a game we played where silver had a wonky uncontested inspector fake day 2 as mafia. I believe it was also MD who got whacked n1 and was inspector who didn’t really leave much to go off of. Don’t remember if silver was self whacked or not. My thinking during that game was essentially to just trust the inspector reveal and if we lose we lose. Thankfully in that instance town did not just follow my thinking. It is still something I do have in my mind though. Losing because you didn’t believe an uncontested reveal feels worse than losing because maf got lucky with their n1 whack.
There’s legitimate arguments on both sides of this. Just gonna ramble here and hopefully spark some discussion.
Let’s start with the pink is telling the truth angle. Obviously when pink drops that mafia may not whack him it almost guaranteed that would be the case. Its probably bad practice to strongly predict what mafia will do as inspector because it makes you look sus when it actually happens. A mafia rummy would be all for this plan as well, in fact rummy and I have done stuff in the same ballpark when we’ve maf together in the past.
If pink is lying then it’s easy to know why pink wasn’t whacked. The play is fine but If I was mafia I’d self whack here. Makes the rest of the game extremely straight forward to play. Rummy gets auto exiled and go into day 4 with likely two mafia alive assuming cum and potent were both town (I will say if pink is lying it’s entirely possible cum was mafia imo). That being said what I would want to do is definitively not standard.
The main meat on the bone here (from not having done a reread yet) is the Cinci guess. Does a mafia pink purposefully plan to whack Cinci and play it off as a fake guess? Low key an incredible high level move if he’s evil. Meta would just be to confirm a town. Not sure I’ve ever seen an inspector guess two whacks in a row. On the flip of this, it’s a risky move for mafia because you are definitely going to get pushback from town. It requires some finesse to pull off, and there are some players here I’d think would not stamp off on this plan if they were maf.
Interested to hear others thoughts. Outside of all the pink and rummy stuff, I am suspicious of Ferris.
Regardless of if pink is lying or not mafia after games of playing so boring I want to put my head in a blender, has finally decided to put the pressure on!
could it be pink / farris / potent? the latter there might go for something like this. so would dan but my gut is telling me he is frustrated town. i need to read back through with a lens that isn't convinced cum's town (because ive been operating with that opinion since early d2) to gauge that possibility too
The chances are not high MD was inspector, the chances MD was inspector and mafia knew enough from the way people were talking to decide to pull such a move is even less given how much heat Pink was taking on both D1 and D2. If Pink pulled this and inspector had someone else as their chosen the whole game would pretty much be over at that point. Mafia would be gimping to the finish line. I bet the mafia didnt whack inspector because of how much of a shit show the reveal was. Now that not only implicates Pink but me as well. Which is WAY too on the nose. Thats just plain sloppy given how I have treated Pink the whole game. Let alone me voting first in the D2 runoff and squandering any chances of influencing the vote for Pink. Those are some next level horrible plays if that was the case.
Both Rummy and Dan have been agreeing with each other since the start of D2 while giving one another questionable heat which is seriously concerning me at this point. Especially given how this game is playing out, just about the only thing I agree with Rummy about is that there is at least 1-2 experienced level mafia left to be pulling some shit like this. I could see Dan and/or Rummy and then another 1 or 2 mafia being left.
The thing is, if Potent and Cum are both town then we have to vote off a Mafia today or the game could already be over so we have to make the right choice.
ok im here with my coffee and ready to dig in. gonna do a full reread and try to stay as objective as possible (e.g. not assuming my town read on cum, only working with what i know - pink is maf, MD and cinci are not & at this point, MD had to have been inspo)
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
you wouldn't, because you’re mafia. and when you choose not to wack me tonight and leave me as a boy-who-cried-wolf tomorrow, you’ll convince everyone to vote me out, wack another townie, and then probably convince everyone to vote for another townie the next day and we’ll be completely fucked. and i know you’re going to take this as yet another sign of “mafia” covering their tracks in case i don’t get whacked tonight but with how hard you’re fighting against this, i can’t see you just whacking me tonight and disproving yourself that quickly
im on mobile so idk if i can quote with another quote but durkle i called this yesterday because after seeing how hard rummy was going on her argument, i couldn’t see her just dropping it. granted i did learn about self-wacking afterwards so maf could have still whacked me and just claimed i self-whacked but it makes more sense for them to do this bc they get to whack an extra townie (cincy) and try to turn public opinion against me and potentially get the votes on me rather than rummy today
before i go back to page 1 to read, lol at this "i called this yesterday" like you had some premonition.
you telegraphed it a bit TOO explicitly actually (for future ref, best not to type out exactly what you're planning to make happen for N2->D3 as maf) and it might be one of the details that causes your fake to not pan out for your team. that and farris' weird "did he guess cinci?!" if he ends up being maf with you.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by Farrisbueller on Apr 1, 2023 10:39:52 GMT -5
If MD was inspector then the other mafia would have to be a combo of Pink / Rummy / Cum / Durkle because that was all the interaction MD had. He started giving heat to Rummy, placed his vote on Cum, went to Durkle in the runoff, then Pink, then back to Durkle. Thats the only way I see a MD inspector possibility.
This situation reminds me a lot of a game we played where silver had a wonky uncontested inspector fake day 2 as mafia. I believe it was also MD who got whacked n1 and was inspector who didn’t really leave much to go off of. Don’t remember if silver was self whacked or not. My thinking during that game was essentially to just trust the inspector reveal and if we lose we lose. Thankfully in that instance town did not just follow my thinking. It is still something I do have in my mind though. Losing because you didn’t believe an uncontested reveal feels worse than losing because maf got lucky with their n1 whack.
Let’s start with the pink is telling the truth angle. Obviously when pink drops that mafia may not whack him it almost guaranteed that would be the case. Its probably bad practice to strongly predict what mafia will do as inspector because it makes you look sus when it actually happens.A mafia rummy would be all for this plan as well, in fact rummy and I have done stuff in the same ballpark when we’ve maf together in the past.
first bold: reminds me of that game too and makes me think there's gotta be a vet behind this, so if it isnt you, im definitely wondering if town could've gotten lucky with exiling a maf potent D1. cum has also played enough at this point (plus has heard plenty of prior maf games from tranter im sure) to maybe concoct this and pull it off too, which is a big part of why i need to dismiss my prior town read of her when i do my re-read.
second bold: at first glance this felt lazy to me (the telegraphing in D2 what they'd do, and lo and behold - pink is still here), but honestly it is sorta smart in this case i think because they can keep framing it as this "but if pink is maf, why would he/they ___?!" thats been stated a lot throughout d2, i know from samp as well as from pink, just this reiteration of, "but this would be silly as maf/why would we say rummy is given, that sets us up for a difficult path/if pink was lying then xyz would happen." it generates confusion for town and has them second guessing everything. for that reason, it isn't a bad play - but as ive already said, i think the telegraphing was TOO direct and should've been more nuanced for this to have worked well for them.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
If pink is lying then it’s easy to know why pink wasn’t whacked. The play is fine but If I was mafia I’d self whack here. Makes the rest of the game extremely straight forward to play. Rummy gets auto exiled and go into day 4 with likely two mafia alive assuming cum and potent were both town (I will say if pink is lying it’s entirely possible cum was mafia imo). That being said what I would want to do is definitively not standard.
The main meat on the bone here (from not having done a reread yet) is the Cinci guess. Does a mafia pink purposefully plan to whack Cinci and play it off as a fake guess? Low key an incredible high level move if he’s evil. Meta would just be to confirm a town. Not sure I’ve ever seen an inspector guess two whacks in a row.On the flip of this, it’s a risky move for mafia because you are definitely going to get pushback from town. It requires some finesse to pull off, and there are some players here I’d think would not stamp off on this plan if they were maf.
Interested to hear others thoughts. Outside of all the pink and rummy stuff, I am suspicious of Ferris.
Regardless of if pink is lying or not mafia after games of playing so boring I want to put my head in a blender, has finally decided to put the pressure on!
first bold: aha and see this here is why im thinking a maf might be dead (potent or cum). because if three were alive, you're right - easy peasy, self-whack and two are still out there, then i get exiled here for sure, and they can coast to victory. so either, they opted to have some fun with a challenge and not go that easy route (kudos if so) orrrrr only two are still alive so a self-whack would've left only one and put them in not a great position in the case that town came around to the reality that pink is lying at any point. (note to self: i know some folks were probing D2 about how the think three must still be out there because of "how things were being discussed" or whatever. gonna look for who all that was, because that feels like potentially another attempt at maf restructuring of truth if in fact only two are still alive but they want town to think all three are._
second bold: this is why it baffled me at first (them "guessing" but also whacking the same person, cinci) but then quickly i was like, oh wait, this is a little bit genius. they did it KNOWING they were going to get pushback, and hoping that a lot of folks would land where you just suggested: "this is too risky a move as mafia, so pink has to be truthing." you and i have both done this as mafia before... go for the riskier/weirder play so that town looks at it with doubt that a maf team would've ever chosen that route. this is a continually present part of this game: people wondering "but would maf ever" and some mafia teams taking full advantage of that apprehension.
oh and to farris - same. but im feeling weird about samp too, as ive written this all out and remembering some of what he said d2. market seems town to me and you do too but im trying to stay open minded because if im wrong about the notion that one maf is likely dead already (cum or potent), then town really needs to get d3 AND d4 right to be in good position for the win.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
This situation reminds me a lot of a game we played where silver had a wonky uncontested inspector fake day 2 as mafia. I believe it was also MD who got whacked n1 and was inspector who didn’t really leave much to go off of. Don’t remember if silver was self whacked or not. My thinking during that game was essentially to just trust the inspector reveal and if we lose we lose. Thankfully in that instance town did not just follow my thinking. It is still something I do have in my mind though. Losing because you didn’t believe an uncontested reveal feels worse than losing because maf got lucky with their n1 whack.
Let’s start with the pink is telling the truth angle. Obviously when pink drops that mafia may not whack him it almost guaranteed that would be the case. Its probably bad practice to strongly predict what mafia will do as inspector because it makes you look sus when it actually happens.A mafia rummy would be all for this plan as well, in fact rummy and I have done stuff in the same ballpark when we’ve maf together in the past.
first bold: reminds me of that game too and makes me think there's gotta be a vet behind this, so if it isnt you, im definitely wondering if town could've gotten lucky with exiling a maf potent D1. cum has also played enough at this point (plus has heard plenty of prior maf games from tranter im sure) to maybe concoct this and pull it off too, which is a big part of why i need to dismiss my prior town read of her when i do my re-read.
second bold: at first glance this felt lazy to me (the telegraphing in D2 what they'd do, and lo and behold - pink is still here), but honestly it is sorta smart in this case i think because they can keep framing it as this "but if pink is maf, why would he/they ___?!" thats been stated a lot throughout d2, i know from samp as well as from pink, just this reiteration of, "but this would be silly as maf/why would we say rummy is given, that sets us up for a difficult path/if pink was lying then xyz would happen." it generates confusion for town and has them second guessing everything. for that reason, it isn't a bad play - but as ive already said, i think the telegraphing was TOO direct and should've been more nuanced for this to have worked well for them.
If I was with Pink, again, in the runoff between Dan - Cum - Pink. Why would I be first to vote, not give myself ANY chance other than putting heat on Cum to save Pink, and then after all that decide that it was a good time to fake inspector? Definition of asinine.
setting up the t ball here for your maf friend? a little too on the nose
could it be pink / farris / potent? the latter there might go for something like this. so would dan but my gut is telling me he is frustrated town. i need to read back through with a lens that isn't convinced cum's town (because ive been operating with that opinion since early d2) to gauge that possibility too
The chances are not high MD was inspector, the chances MD was inspector and mafia knew enough from the way people were talking to decide to pull such a move is even less given how much heat Pink was taking on both D1 and D2. If Pink pulled this and inspector had someone else as their chosen the whole game would pretty much be over at that point. Mafia would be gimping to the finish line. I bet the mafia didnt whack inspector because of how much of a shit show the reveal was. Now that not only implicates Pink but me as well. Which is WAY too on the nose. Thats just plain sloppy given how I have treated Pink the whole game. Let alone me voting first in the D2 runoff and squandering any chances of influencing the vote for Pink. Those are some next level horrible plays if that was the case.
Both Rummy and Dan have been agreeing with each other since the start of D2 while giving one another questionable heat which is seriously concerning me at this point. Especially given how this game is playing out, just about the only thing I agree with Rummy about is that there is at least 1-2 experienced level mafia left to be pulling some shit like this. I could see Dan and/or Rummy and then another 1 or 2 mafia being left.
you and samp both keep repeating this, and it is just making me more sus of the both of you. TO CLARIFY TO TOWN: i dont believe mafia knew that MD was inspo as they entered D2, how could they? but i have 100% been mafia before where my team and i felt pretty damn confident we'd gotten inspo the Night before by way of how the next Day played out - what was being said versus what wasn't, which directions town was going in, etc. i think pink faked knowing it was a risk but a worthwhile one to make, and if cum is maf with him, then they knew they were about to lose a maf member in that final D2 runoff regardless. in that scenario, the fake allowed a whole heated discourse between cum and pink that made town believe (then, at least) that there's no way they were playing for the same team. if he isnt maf with cum but was with potent, same thing that they were in a tough spot about to lose a maf member in the first two days and only have one remaining by D3. thats a rough enough spot that a fake can be a totally worthwhile risk.
and re: "the whole game would be over" if pink pulled this and real inspo was still alive... you know that isnt true. first reveal is OFTEN the believed one. if a fake occurs first, real inso is always in a fucking tough spot to come out second. you havent played in a while, sure, but i know that you know this.
The thing is, if Potent and Cum are both town then we have to vote off a Mafia today or the game could already be over so we have to make the right choice.
yeah, we really do. so vote out pink. or do you not want to vote for your teammate?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
The chances are not high MD was inspector, the chances MD was inspector and mafia knew enough from the way people were talking to decide to pull such a move is even less given how much heat Pink was taking on both D1 and D2. If Pink pulled this and inspector had someone else as their chosen the whole game would pretty much be over at that point. Mafia would be gimping to the finish line. I bet the mafia didnt whack inspector because of how much of a shit show the reveal was. Now that not only implicates Pink but me as well. Which is WAY too on the nose. Thats just plain sloppy given how I have treated Pink the whole game. Let alone me voting first in the D2 runoff and squandering any chances of influencing the vote for Pink. Those are some next level horrible plays if that was the case.
Both Rummy and Dan have been agreeing with each other since the start of D2 while giving one another questionable heat which is seriously concerning me at this point. Especially given how this game is playing out, just about the only thing I agree with Rummy about is that there is at least 1-2 experienced level mafia left to be pulling some shit like this. I could see Dan and/or Rummy and then another 1 or 2 mafia being left.
you and samp both keep repeating this, and it is just making me more sus of the both of you. TO CLARIFY TO TOWN: i dont believe mafia knew that MD was inspo as they entered D2, how could they? but i have 100% been mafia before where my team and i felt pretty damn confident we'd gotten inspo the Night before by way of how the next Day played out - what was being said versus what wasn't, which directions town was going in, etc. i think pink faked knowing it was a risk but a worthwhile one to make, and if cum is maf with him, then they knew they were about to lose a maf member in that final D2 runoff regardless. in that scenario, the fake allowed a whole heated discourse between cum and pink that made town believe (then, at least) that there's no way they were playing for the same team. if he isnt maf with cum but was with potent, same thing that they were in a tough spot about to lose a maf member in the first two days and only have one remaining by D3. thats a rough enough spot that a fake can be a totally worthwhile risk.
and re: "the whole game would be over" if pink pulled this and real inspo was still alive... you know that isnt true. first reveal is OFTEN the believed one. if a fake occurs first, real inso is always in a fucking tough spot to come out second. you havent played in a while, sure, but i know that you know this.
The thing is, if Potent and Cum are both town then we have to vote off a Mafia today or the game could already be over so we have to make the right choice.
yeah, we really do. so vote out pink. or do you not want to vote for your teammate?
Im just as skeptical of Samp as you are. Hes been hanging back since the beginning of the reveal. Plus Rummy, Dan, and Samp were the ones really giving me heat since basically the start of the game. So I would include Samp and Dan in the list with Rummy - Cum - Durkle - Pink, if somehow MD was inspector. But both me and Pink taking so much heat from multiple angles through D1 and D2 make next to no sense to inspector reveal if I was with Pink. The certainty wouldnt be there. I cant fully rule out Pink though and the reason I told Pink "please dont tell me you picked Cinci" was because I was hoping for this to be a standard D3 and actually get more information. I had no reason to believe otherwise with one whack and no counter to the inspector reveal, even with how contested it was. Now we dont have any confirmed living townies which is what I was hoping for. It doesnt make much sense unless youre right about Cum being mafia but crazier things have happened. Theres a reason I havent voted yet, this is messy.
Last call for pinkstickynote . I hate closing out a round when I can tell that someone has not logged in since the game started, so doesn't know it has. But we did a check in and started the game shortly after, so I was hoping folks would be logging in regularly to be on the lookout.
good to remember how this played out now that i know pink is mafia. hes one of the few people on here who would be likely to have two maf teammates that didnt have another way to reach him. a lot of us have each other's numbers and/or FB messenger handles - for me and samp, even can message each other on Microsoft Teams lmao - and could easily have poked an absentee teammate, but im guessing pink's teammates didn't have a way to do that and had to just wait for him to log in.
I mean yeah he should really be here and playing, but surely he's going to be online at some point this weekend. We obviously don't know what he is, and neither does he because he hasn't been online since the game started, but I don't want to jump to conclusions and risk being down one townie right out of the gate even if he is late to the game.
Makes me wonder why you're so cool with booting him without any info... unless... hmmmm...
Samp > Potent (for now)
samp writing a whole lot of words to explain why we shouldn't vote pink when he was inactive. and immediately throwing shade at cum (which he brought up AGAIN in d2, dragging this early d1 interaction into the convo to cast doubt on cum)
I do agree with Samp about not just letting Pink go through because they were inactive at first. I just never had a better reason from anyone at this early juncture. I'll move it now and see what becomes of it since I'm being questioned and Dan seems ready to name multiple mafia already. Let's see what happens.
I only switched to Pink due to inactivity, didn’t feel guilty voting for someone who wasn’t here. In exchange, l’ll back them up on this vote.
Sorry pink
another overexplaining of moving off of pink, but this one feels more genuine. idk why a teammate would be like "SORRY PINK," but i mean it's possible. i'll admit that i think pink/market/? is pretty unlikely from where im standing, though, even if one vet was with them behind all this.
I was trying to even it back up for someone to move off potent but I'm fine with this
md >>>>> durkle
we need to not forget that then MD was whacked after this: he did Durkle >> Pink >> back to Durkle. am wondering if maf thought he was moving to his given to see if anyone else would come with him, and when it didnt happen, he went back to the safety of Durkle. or if Durkle and Pink are both maf (not sold on this idea at all but trying to explore all options), then of course they'd see MD bouncing between two of their comrades and feel spooked by it, thinking he could have either of their names.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by Farrisbueller on Apr 1, 2023 11:47:13 GMT -5
If my first vote was a bullshit excuse to put a vote on Pink then every single thing I have done with Pink has been in your face and obvious, which is horrible gameplay from mafia. I know mafia like switching things up but thats a bit too ridiculous.
I proclaimed I wasnt changing my vote because what Pink posted didnt make me feel any less suspect of him at the time. Because the vote went way out of hand against Pink, I did think that was too convenient and mafia probably wanted Pink gone. Samp was the one jumpstarting the conversation about it being unreasonable to just vote Pink off, also putting heat on me while implying I was sus. If I was mafia with both Pink and Samp that would horrible. Samp - Pink combo is a lot more likely now that we are talking about it but its still a weird ass spotlight to put on yourselves D1.
There's still too many possibilities but from looking at MD's votes and what they said. MD moved to Durkle when runoffs started and only moved off of them to see if someone would move off of Potent. So I'm looking at the group that voted for Potent.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts Dan
this first post from Farris D2 puzzled me at the time and still does when i look back at it now. i find it very interesting that farris is talking about only durkle as the relevant factor in the MD movement from D1 when clearly it was of just as much potential pertinence that MD was moving on and off of pink. he says lets look at who voted for potent, instead of naming how we should look at both durkle AND pink for MD's movement between them which was the last thing he did before getting whacked. farris was leaving out the full picture here - whether intentionally or unintentionally.
There's still too many possibilities but from looking at MD's votes and what they said. MD moved to Durkle when runoffs started and only moved off of them to see if someone would move off of Potent. So I'm looking at the group that voted for Potent.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts Dan
im not sure i follow. is this assuming md was inspo and either durkle or myself were his given? or is it because he may have had an interest in seeing the revotes of whoever was on potent?
pink lending credence to this idea that we should be looking at movement around potent, as opposed to MD's bounce off/on durkle and pink. farris follows up with this shortly...
if you’re just going off MD’s first vote d1 it’s either blatant misdirection on mafias part or just a bad coincidence jsyk
yeah i know but i’m not leaning heavy towards anyone else so i’m just taking a random stab at things before some better narratives start forming
such a weird stance for an inspector to take. i get trying to stay hidden, but this just feels like a lazy reason to move onto cum when the whack didnt point to her at all. im feeling rather lukewarm about a cum/pink combo right now unless this was them intentionally probing to see if others would follow suit onto cum for little reason (which market then did, fwiw)
im not sure i follow. is this assuming md was inspo and either durkle or myself were his given? or is it because he may have had an interest in seeing the revotes of whoever was on potent?
Those are both possibilities for sure. Overall I am more interested in the revotes comment he made.
Given the votes we have at the moment and the fact that Durkle survived the runoff with the way it went down I think they at least deserve to be on the list.
Farris > Durkle
and there it is ^^ pink and farris have this whole back and forth about "welllll, it could point to pink too through the durkle/pink movement from MD but nah, lets focus on the revote comment from potent" (which btw is such a classic d1 thing from potent, it means little to nothing to me coming from him) and focus attention on durkle.
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There's still too many possibilities but from looking at MD's votes and what they said. MD moved to Durkle when runoffs started and only moved off of them to see if someone would move off of Potent. So I'm looking at the group that voted for Potent.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts Dan
this first post from Farris D2 puzzled me at the time and still does when i look back at it now. i find it very interesting that farris is talking about only durkle as the relevant factor in the MD movement from D1 when clearly it was of just as much potential pertinence that MD was moving on and off of pink. he says lets look at who voted for potent, instead of naming how we should look at both durkle AND pink for MD's movement between them which was the last thing he did before getting whacked. farris was leaving out the full picture here - whether intentionally or unintentionally.
im not sure i follow. is this assuming md was inspo and either durkle or myself were his given? or is it because he may have had an interest in seeing the revotes of whoever was on potent?
pink lending credence to this idea that we should be looking at movement around potent, as opposed to MD's bounce off/on durkle and pink. farris follows up with this shortly...
yeah i know but i’m not leaning heavy towards anyone else so i’m just taking a random stab at things before some better narratives start forming
such a weird stance for an inspector to take. i get trying to stay hidden, but this just feels like a lazy reason to move onto cum when the whack didnt point to her at all. im feeling rather lukewarm about a cum/pink combo right now unless this was them intentionally probing to see if others would follow suit onto cum for little reason (which market then did, fwiw)
Those are both possibilities for sure. Overall I am more interested in the revotes comment he made.
Given the votes we have at the moment and the fact that Durkle survived the runoff with the way it went down I think they at least deserve to be on the list.
Farris > Durkle
and there it is ^^ pink and farris have this whole back and forth about "welllll, it could point to pink too through the durkle/pink movement from MD but nah, lets focus on the revote comment from potent" (which btw is such a classic d1 thing from potent, it means little to nothing to me coming from him) and focus attention on durkle.
Rummy, if you are town I get why you are gunning so hard for the Pink - Farris connection. Its the most obvious on the surface connection. Thats exactly why mafia even would consider pulling something like this, to get heat off of another member and send the town down the wrong direction long enough to win. Lets say we vote pink off and they are mafia, I certainly wont be whacked at this point. Then if we vote me off D4 the game will either be over and they win or Potent / Cum were also mafia. In that case town will have to go the full 5 days to sort this out.
neither pink's vote for cum nor durkle's vote for day out the gate here in d2 makes much sense to me, either, but durkle/dan are irl friends so im guessing that's why durkle went there.... pink voting for cum is a reach. everyone needs to put their d1r1 vote somewhere.
rum > pink
i was on pink from start of d2. and i continued to voice quite clearly that i thought anyone who was focusing just on "potent voters" or claiming durkle was more sus than pink in that MD movement between them was a bit sus.
theres been this whole pushback (namely from samp, farris, and pink of course) around, "but pink as maf couldn't have known MD was inspo so the fake would be so risky." but what if the scenario was that behind the scenes throughout D2 maf was coming around to the belief that if MD wasn't inspo, it was me - and with pink's name.
so then they had two options really, once pink was in exile position: let him go quietly and whack me Night 2, OR use the opportunity of pink in exile position knowing he was going to die there if nothing was said, and have him fake as inspo so that they could immediately learn if MD was inspector (already dead, great for them) or i was with pink's name, in which case id come out with just that piece of info - and look so sus by way of being 2nd to reveal, and claiming i am inspector instead of given. a very very hard sell.
again, this is ballsy maf play, but a few things are starting to click into place for me with my reread that i didnt quite gauge before. i was convinced something had maf feeling super confident that MD was inspo, but if they had that in mind with the equal possibility it was me with pink's name (but not a second one or obv i would've come out D2), the fake is a pretty good call. name me, and if it turns out im inspector, i look horribly having to counter in that situation. they get their info - which in this case was realizing im not inspo w/ pink's name so they're just framing vanilla town but that still is good for them.
I mean yeah he should really be here and playing, but surely he's going to be online at some point this weekend. We obviously don't know what he is, and neither does he because he hasn't been online since the game started, but I don't want to jump to conclusions and risk being down one townie right out of the gate even if he is late to the game.
Makes me wonder why you're so cool with booting him without any info... unless... hmmmm...
Samp > Potent (for now)
I'm not feeling like I've got much to go on so far here, but this felt a little strange. Plus, I'm interested to see what happens with the revotes with a runoff between Dan, Pink, and Cum.
wait except i did forget about this post from Farris that still doesnt make much sense to me. i like that he landed on durkle but the above rationale doesnt land for me; he shouldn't only be looking at potent voters because of that movement IMO. MD if inspo could've equally likely been moving around like that to see whether someone came in to try and save potent (given) OR to gauge movement relating to his given, another person in the runoff (pink or durkle). so im just not really sure why farris narrowed it down like this.
so yeah any of him, samp, or market as third but get cum/dan outta this runoff y'all
Your arguments seem to rest on the idea that MD was inspector, but we don't know that. What if MD was just regular old town? His movements don't necessarily imply anything about who is mafia if he isn't inspector. Maf could have just killed him because he was moving around a lot and figured it was worth a shot to assume he might be inspector. As I mentioned before, my point isn't that I definitely think that cum is mafia. Unlike you, I just don't feel like I have enough info to make firm accusations and need to do something to get more info.
samp doing the thing i keep referencing - acting like following a whack=assuming that whack was definitely inspector. when we all know that town needs to just frame a whack in the context of presuming that maf believe they COULD be inspector. it doesnt take special knowledge or awareness to do this, and it isnt a sus thing to do in D2 at all: follow the whack. it's what town *should* try to do.
oh and maf using their precious N1 whack on someone just because he was moving around a lot but not around one of their maf members, eh. seems pretty wasteful of their first whack.
If they are inspector they are the worst inspector ever. I don't want them having the deciding vote D2.
As for Rummy, like I said there's still too many possibilities and I'm not beholden to one throughline at this point.
this weird shit again re: cum. the fact that i received flack for defending cum is insane because pink/samp/farris's shade-throwing on her was what caused me to want to step in to defend in the first place.
man, even if maf thought there were THREE good possibilities of inspo: MD (dead), me or cum with pink's name, the fake still makes sense. if cum had to come out with pink's name as 2nd reveal in a runoff where it was her/pink, that'd look just as bad on her as it would've for me to come out if i were inspector while pink says im his given
you’d at least think that rummy and the other mafia would want to hop off me so they could just wack inspo today instead of forcing him to spill the beans to everyone ((
you’d at least think that rummy and the other mafia would want to hop off me so they could just wack inspo today instead of forcing him to spill the beans to everyone ((
You’re saying this as if mafia is told who inspo is and isn’t also trying to guess
If rummy is mafia she would not ardently protect a teammate with the possibility of inspo still being alive because of this exact scenario where you’re using her defense of me against me
I can be town and incorrect just like you guys are lol. It’s dumb as hell I was ever in this runoff but you’re dead whether we vote you off now or you get whacked tonight so it seems like a waste to me to get rid of a townie like me
extremely true but they wanted to push both you and me out if they could. i said that in D2 multiple times and i'll say it again.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
If MD was inspector then the other mafia would have to be a combo of Pink / Rummy / Cum / Durkle because that was all the interaction MD had. He started giving heat to Rummy, placed his vote on Cum, went to Durkle in the runoff, then Pink, then back to Durkle. Thats the only way I see a MD inspector possibility.
wait one last thing bc i didnt respond to this before i starting my quoting.
uhh...what?! it has to be a combo of just those 4 people? dude an inspector doesnt have all three names in D1. it isn't like if he was moving around/interacting with 4 people in the first Day, then 3 of those 4 are the mafia. Inspo MD had one name, his given; so by end of D1, maf had reason to believe that if he was inspo then his given could be one of the people he interacted with/voted for/switched off and on of. but he only had the one name, so if they whacked him due to his movement around pink, it was only because of pink.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by Farrisbueller on Apr 1, 2023 12:25:04 GMT -5
Anybody that thinks Cum was inspector and never re-clarified their status or their given name before being voted off needs to have the screws in their heads checked.
Anybody that thinks Cum was inspector and never re-clarified their status or their given name before being voted off needs to have the screws in their heads checked.
I don’t think cum was inspector. Re read what I said.
Mafia could’ve thought cum with pink name was a possibility, prior to their fake reveal. Now we all clearly know she wasn’t. Pls read that part of my reply again because I’m quite clear what I mean by it
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
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