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The funny thing is I sort of agree that LDR/Dua/Tyler is a boring combination (but one I would generally like!) but that’s just how it shakes out sometimes. You can’t get the rarest acts in the world all the time or else they wouldn’t be rare anymore.
The funny thing is I sort of agree that LDR/Dua/Tyler is a boring combination (but one I would generally like!) but that’s just how it shakes out sometimes. You can’t get the rarest acts in the world all the time or else they wouldn’t be rare anymore.
also compared to rhcp/post malone/dave matthews band its miles better
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Dec 12, 2023 10:29:51 GMT -5
I think Dua has a chance to go either way, could still be catching her on the rise depending on how the new album is received. Tyler and Lana are who they are at this point.
Artistic merit aside, LDR / Dua / Tyler are the Topline equivalent of a French Vanilla Iced Coffee. Who, over the age of 20, is a fan of any of these artists and *haven't* seen them in the past 5 years?
I keep seeing this same argument over and over again about how "if you're a fan you would've seen them already". Y'all realize that not everybody hits up shows all the time like us in this forum? I'm willing to bet a vast majority of any artist's fanbase have never seen them live.
The funny thing is I sort of agree that LDR/Dua/Tyler is a boring combination (but one I would generally like!) but that’s just how it shakes out sometimes. You can’t get the rarest acts in the world all the time or else they wouldn’t be rare anymore.
also compared to rhcp/post malone/dave matthews band its miles better
lol are we that sure the third Roo headliner will be DMB?
but yeah, LDR/Dua/Tyler is definitely good lol. Maybe not the most exciting but it works.
Also, I'm pretty sure LDR hasn't played Los Angeles since 2019, so even if you have seen her, it's probably been quite a while and she's put out a ton of new material since then.
Artistic merit aside, LDR / Dua / Tyler are the Topline equivalent of a French Vanilla Iced Coffee. Who, over the age of 20, is a fan of any of these artists and *haven't* seen them in the past 5 years?
I keep seeing this same argument over and over again about how "if you're a fan you would've seen them already". Y'all realize that not everybody hits up shows all the time like us in this forum? I'm willing to bet a vast majority of any artist's fanbase have never seen them live.
I understand that booking Headliners for rarity is sort've a depreciating model, but its been fairly easy for anyone to have seen any of these three perform in the past few years at a (relative to Harry, Frank, Kanye, Bad Bunny) affordable price. Its missing the "we HAVE to go" factor, because anyone who feels like they HAVE to travel for any of these three has probably already done so; unless they are recent fans / teenagers. And you say most people arent like us on here, who live and breath live music, but most people also dont have a spare $1.5-2k they are willing to casually drop to see a headliner they wouldnt kill to see live or have already seen them in the past 3 years.
Maybe Im biased because thats essentially hpow my group and I have justified the expense of the festival / travel these past few years. None of my friends had seen Kanye before and that would have been a huge bucket list item. Harry and Bad Bunny tickets are near impossible to get when they tour. Frank Ocean has played like 7 shows in the past decade. Theres that factor that, if we miss this year, we might never get to see em again; so the hefty cost to fly out and rent a car etc. feels more justified.
Hasn’t the last few years shown there’s a lot of people going to shows with these huge acts hence the instant sell outs and high ticket costs? Seems like now more than ever is showing you don’t need a rare artist when people are willing to drop $1k to see Bad Bunny.
I keep seeing this same argument over and over again about how "if you're a fan you would've seen them already". Y'all realize that not everybody hits up shows all the time like us in this forum? I'm willing to bet a vast majority of any artist's fanbase have never seen them live.
I understand that booking Headliners for rarity is sort've a depreciating model, but its been fairly easy for anyone to have seen any of these three perform in the past few years at a (relative to Harry, Frank, Kanye, Bad Bunny) affordable price. Its missing the "we HAVE to go" factor, because anyone who feels like they HAVE to travel for any of these three has probably already done so; unless they are recent fans / teenagers. And you say most people arent like us on here, who live and breath live music, but most people also dont have a spare $1.5-2k they are willing to casually drop to see a headliner they wouldnt kill to see live or have already seen them in the past 3 years.
People have been spending crazy amounts of money to go fly to Alabama to see LDR this year. Her and Tyler in the bill together would provide a decent "we have to go" factor for a lot of young people. Throw in Dua, some EDM, Peso Pluma (whose tickets are also outrageously expensive), and some millennial bait like Justice and The Strokes and you have a great Coachella lineup
I keep seeing this same argument over and over again about how "if you're a fan you would've seen them already". Y'all realize that not everybody hits up shows all the time like us in this forum? I'm willing to bet a vast majority of any artist's fanbase have never seen them live.
I understand that booking Headliners for rarity is sort've a depreciating model, but its been fairly easy for anyone to have seen any of these three perform in the past few years at a (relative to Harry, Frank, Kanye, Bad Bunny) affordable price. Its missing the "we HAVE to go" factor, because anyone who feels like they HAVE to travel for any of these three has probably already done so; unless they are recent fans / teenagers. And you say most people arent like us on here, who live and breath live music, but most people also dont have a spare $1.5-2k they are willing to casually drop to see a headliner they wouldnt kill to see live or have already seen them in the past 3 years.
It's important to remember that you probably aren't the average Coachella attendee. Headliners matter but Coachella also has a built in "we have to go" factor. Plus as has already been pointed out Lana hasn't played in California since 2019 and is pretty huge right now.
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Post by abefroman1 on Dec 12, 2023 12:13:46 GMT -5
I'm not even a Lana stan but she hasn't toured extensively since 2019 and there was a whole ass pandemic in that time. 2023 was literally 18 North American shows only in C-markets plus a few festivals
She's a rare get and I understand why her fans would be feral for more shows. I would expect any coinciding A-market tour to go with a Coachella announcement would be an instant sell out.
Why would GV cannibalize the Flog Gnaw festival they hold annually in LA by doing a headline spot with Tyler the Creator? If I am a business and have a product already in the market, I would be concerned that if I completely replicated that product, it would drop the market for the existing product. It's like having a headliner for Just Like Heaven headline Coachella. Tyler plays at Flog Gnaw like every year. I don't see how it makes business sense to rethread that artist at a more significant SoCal festival 6 months apart and not expect some cannibalization of the next iteration of Flog Gnaw.
What is always impressive about Coachella is looking at the lineup vs other major US festivals and being blown away by the alternate direction they take. Dua, LDR, and Tyler doesn't scream unique or original. It screams underwhelming and par for the festival course. I like all these artists, but LDR is a beautiful yawn fest. Dua will be everywhere. Tyler is fantastic, but is definitely much bigger in California and doesn't seem like he fits with the direction the last few years have been trending with hugely popular international pop artists as headliners...or moody/flakey artists who cancel at the last minute or screw over their fans with an uninspired phoned in headlining set that fans are still trying to justify months later.
I think there's some great myth of the "Coachella headliner" still. It's my favorite festival on the planet, but let's not act like they haven't whiffed on some headliner bookings the last few years. Multiple Kanye fiascos, SHM getting announced to tumble weeds and thus creating RTTD (but still getting promoted back to HL!), they probably got Harry Styles and Ariana Grande as they were a little bit past cultural peak relevance, Tame Impala is/was everywhere, Childish Gambino has aged poorly, Frank Ocean was a great booking but total fiasco, etc.
I'm not a huge fan of any of the three artists you mentioned, but the first show of Dua Lipa's next era, an LDR victory lap, and giving Tyler his biggest stage ever doesn't sound too "underwhelming" to me vs. some of the other recent HLer's.
There is no way they got Harry after his peak relevance. If anything they got him before.
I think there's some great myth of the "Coachella headliner" still. It's my favorite festival on the planet, but let's not act like they haven't whiffed on some headliner bookings the last few years. Multiple Kanye fiascos, SHM getting announced to tumble weeds and thus creating RTTD (but still getting promoted back to HL!), they probably got Harry Styles and Ariana Grande as they were a little bit past cultural peak relevance, Tame Impala is/was everywhere, Childish Gambino has aged poorly, Frank Ocean was a great booking but total fiasco, etc.
I'm not a huge fan of any of the three artists you mentioned, but the first show of Dua Lipa's next era, an LDR victory lap, and giving Tyler his biggest stage ever doesn't sound too "underwhelming" to me vs. some of the other recent HLer's.
There is no way they got Harry after his peak relevance. If anything they got him before.
And I'd argue they got Ariana right at peak relevance. "7 Rings" spent 2 months at the top of the charts leading up to Coachella with "Break Up With Your Boyfriend" just behind it at #2, and "Thank U, Next" spent 7 weeks at the top of the charts leading up to the lineup announcement. The show was a letdown, but that was the peak of her powers culturally.
Lets not forget that they sold out Stagecoach for the first time 6 months early by getting the one act that draws and makes people spend thousands of dollars. So the "we have to go" thing certainly came into play there.
What is always impressive about Coachella is looking at the lineup vs other major US festivals and being blown away by the alternate direction they take. Dua, LDR, and Tyler doesn't scream unique or original. It screams underwhelming and par for the festival course. I like all these artists, but LDR is a beautiful yawn fest. Dua will be everywhere. Tyler is fantastic, but is definitely much bigger in California and doesn't seem like he fits with the direction the last few years have been trending with hugely popular international pop artists as headliners...or moody/flakey artists who cancel at the last minute or screw over their fans with an uninspired phoned in headlining set that fans are still trying to justify months later.
I think there's some great myth of the "Coachella headliner" still. It's my favorite festival on the planet, but let's not act like they haven't whiffed on some headliner bookings the last few years. Multiple Kanye fiascos, SHM getting announced to tumble weeds and thus creating RTTD (but still getting promoted back to HL!), they probably got Harry Styles and Ariana Grande as they were a little bit past cultural peak relevance, Tame Impala is/was everywhere, Childish Gambino has aged poorly, Frank Ocean was a great booking but total fiasco, etc.
I'm not a huge fan of any of the three artists you mentioned, but the first show of Dua Lipa's next era, an LDR victory lap, and giving Tyler his biggest stage ever doesn't sound too "underwhelming" to me vs. some of the other recent HLer's.
Harry Styles just made $600 mil on his last tour. Where is he not relevant. It was the first date of the album cycle so they got the timing perfect for that. Why not also mention the almost hads to boot. Sabbath, The Stones, Velvet Underground, Cocteau Twins.
Why would GV cannibalize the Flog Gnaw festival they hold annually in LA by doing a headline spot with Tyler the Creator? If I am a business and have a product already in the market, I would be concerned that if I completely replicated that product, it would drop the market for the existing product. It's like having a headliner for Just Like Heaven headline Coachella. Tyler plays at Flog Gnaw like every year. I don't see how it makes business sense to rethread that artist at a more significant SoCal festival 6 months apart and not expect some cannibalization of the next iteration of Flog Gnaw.
So did you take issue with FYF when that was happening?
Artistic merit aside, LDR / Dua / Tyler are the Topline equivalent of a French Vanilla Iced Coffee. Who, over the age of 20, is a fan of any of these artists and *haven't* seen them in the past 5 years?
Lets not forget that they sold out Stagecoach for the first time 6 months early by getting the one act that draws and makes people spend thousands of dollars. So the "we have to go" thing certainly came into play there.
I think there's some great myth of the "Coachella headliner" still. It's my favorite festival on the planet, but let's not act like they haven't whiffed on some headliner bookings the last few years. Multiple Kanye fiascos, SHM getting announced to tumble weeds and thus creating RTTD (but still getting promoted back to HL!), they probably got Harry Styles and Ariana Grande as they were a little bit past cultural peak relevance, Tame Impala is/was everywhere, Childish Gambino has aged poorly, Frank Ocean was a great booking but total fiasco, etc.
I'm not a huge fan of any of the three artists you mentioned, but the first show of Dua Lipa's next era, an LDR victory lap, and giving Tyler his biggest stage ever doesn't sound too "underwhelming" to me vs. some of the other recent HLer's.
Harry Styles just made $600 mil on his last tour. Where is he not relevant. It was the first date of the album cycle so they got the timing perfect for that. Why not also mention the almost hads to boot. Sabbath, The Stones, Velvet Underground, Cocteau Twins.
Why would GV cannibalize the Flog Gnaw festival they hold annually in LA by doing a headline spot with Tyler the Creator? If I am a business and have a product already in the market, I would be concerned that if I completely replicated that product, it would drop the market for the existing product. It's like having a headliner for Just Like Heaven headline Coachella. Tyler plays at Flog Gnaw like every year. I don't see how it makes business sense to rethread that artist at a more significant SoCal festival 6 months apart and not expect some cannibalization of the next iteration of Flog Gnaw.
So did you take issue with FYF when that was happening?
What year did FYF have the same headliners as Coachella???
Artistic merit aside, LDR / Dua / Tyler are the Topline equivalent of a French Vanilla Iced Coffee. Who, over the age of 20, is a fan of any of these artists and *haven't* seen them in the past 5 years?
me bitch
Assuming you are american, you had:
18 arena and festival opportunities to see Lana (23 worldwide) in 2023 33 arena and festival opportunities to see Tyler (53 worldwide) in 2022 30 arena and festival opportunities to see Dua (91 worldwide) in 2022
Compared to, if you are a fan of any of 2023's headliners, you had
10 sold out arena-only opportunities to see Blackpink in 2023 (63 worldwide) 22 sold out stadium-only opportunities to see Bad Bunny (79 worldwide) in 2022 for historic resale value 0 opportunities to see Frank Ocean since 2017
18 arena and festival opportunities to see Lana (23 worldwide) in 2023 33 arena and festival opportunities to see Tyler (53 worldwide) in 2022 30 arena and festival opportunities to see Dua (91 worldwide) in 2022
Compared to, if you are a fan of any of 2023's headliners, you had
10 sold out arena-only opportunities to see Blackpink in 2023 (63 worldwide) 22 sold-out stadium opportunities to see Bad Bunny (79 worldwide) in 2022 for historic resale value 0 opportunities to see Frank Ocean since 2017
18 arena and festival opportunities to see Lana (23 worldwide) in 2023 33 arena and festival opportunities to see Tyler (53 worldwide) in 2022 30 arena and festival opportunities to see Dua (91 worldwide) in 2022
Compared to, if you are a fan of any of 2023's headliners, you had
10 sold out arena-only opportunities to see Blackpink in 2023 (63 worldwide) 22 sold out stadium-only opportunities to see Bad Bunny (79 worldwide) in 2022 for historic resale value 0 opportunities to see Frank Ocean since 2017
yeah but I didn't. So it'd be cool if they headline coachella and I can see them all in one weekend
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Dec 12, 2023 15:26:24 GMT -5
But this is kind of a dumb argument. If those are the three headliners they’re perfectly fine compared to the rest of the US festival market, but don’t have quite the same punch as the year before. Both can be true.
Even though Tyler has been around for a long time, his fanbase is still actively growing with each album. Flower Boy -> Igor -> CMIYGL has seen him spike beyond what anyone thought he'd reach. His core fans are his core fans for sure, but I think there's a lot of people who didn't gravitate to him until one of his last 3 releases
I could see him trying to get Kanye as a late announcement, that way it's a non risk if he doesn't show up lol
Yes, the correct way to describe an artist with a history of erratic behavior and mental illness who can't last five minutes of an interview without professing his admiration for Nazis is "non-risk."
Get this guy a job in risk management, stat!
That's what we said the last two times Paul tried to book him . I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me anymore
Post by braundiggity on Dec 12, 2023 15:32:36 GMT -5
The biggest difference to me is that one set of headliners wasn't playing festivals at all, and the other has played a bunch of festivals. I have to think they'll want at least one headliner that feels like "oh wow, haven't seen them headlining anywhere else" (see also: Harry, Ariana, Beyonce, Gaga, GNR, etc).
But this is kind of a dumb argument. If those are the three headliners they’re perfectly fine compared to the rest of the US festival market, but don’t have quite the same punch as the year before. Both can be true.
Thats my whole point. Dua / Lana / Tyler is a Lolla-tier topline. Coachella has proven in the past 3 years to be a fest above the Lollas, Roos, Fyre with the quality and rarity of their topline. This aint it.
But this is kind of a dumb argument. If those are the three headliners they’re perfectly fine compared to the rest of the US festival market, but don’t have quite the same punch as the year before. Both can be true.
Thats my whole point. Dua / Lana / Tyler is a Lolla-tier topline. Coachella has proven in the past 3 years to be a fest above the Lollas, Roos, Fyre with the quality and rarity of their topline. This aint it.
also why they have HL canceling literally every single year. Like yeah it was cool they booked Frank Ocean, he didn’t play though?
