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That Jamie Lee scene with Petey in the final episode killed me.
Only thing I didn't like was Claire overhearing Carmy's rant while stuck in the walk-in. I feel like the love interest overhearing or walking in coincidentally at the worst time is an overused trope these days.
Agreed. I was crying with Petey. I just wanted him to tell Sugar what happened, like it isn't fair that she made him do that. Of all people. So fucked up.
This season offered, did, said and showed a lot. We got a Christmas episode of a fucking hour which was epic? for example. The thing I keep thinking about is, that some plots were left a bit to much like that. Tina and Ebra got to culunairy school, but Ebra just quite. And apart from that one scene with Tina, it never really was further explored what and why. Marcus went on this big trip to Denmark and sure, they showed a lot when he was there (the water for the cat was never resolved sadly) but then he just showed up like that and had like 4 desserts ready. I understand 'show, don't tell' but on the other side, there's some side plots I wanted more out of or something? Maybe it was a little bit.. to much stacked in just one season? I don't know, even though the pace of the show felt good with them working towards opening up the restaurant. The whole character switch up of Richie felt also somewhat odd. I understand people can change, but the dude left on a stage for a week in a high end restaurant and came back as a whole different person? Like I understand the mindset change, but it didn't really feel deserved or right? Idk.
-ebra story had a sort of shawshank redemption vibe to me. he was used to being one way for so long, he couldn't even deal with changing things up.
-pretty sure the nurse saying call me in the texts at the end was about marcus' mom -assuming him filling the water bowl was just him helping out who's place he was staying at.
-i think it was b/c richie got better perspective of why carmy is the way he is about a specific type of restaurant/chef and why he wanted to change the bear into what he did.
Nurse texting at the end was definitely about his mom.
The water bowl was a request of the person whose boat he was staying on. Like with Will Poulter's story, there's a mention of the mystery cat at some point that helps you your together that Carm worked with Will and stayed on the same boat. Like with Richie, Carm is using relationships he's had to help further his people.
Post by potentpotables on Jun 30, 2023 11:56:51 GMT -5
I think the important thing for the Richie stage was that he originally saw it as punishment. He then let himself go into the role and started to see what it could be for him. When he was told how highly Carm thought of him, he put together 2+2 to realize the awesome responsibility his cousin had entrusted him with and for the first time found purpose in his life. That's why the scene in the Christmas flashback asking Jimmy for a job was so important to Richie's development. He just wanted someone to take him seriously. When he was told that's exactly what Carm is doing, it provided the closed circle (to me).
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 2, 2023 0:06:51 GMT -5
Having just re-watched episode 7 of the first season where the to-go orders system fucks them all up and it's a 20 minute roller coaster of tension and yelling and Carm losing it on everyone I was reminded of this video and wanted to make sure everyone here was aware/had seen it. Great little parody
That Jamie Lee scene with Petey in the final episode killed me.
Only thing I didn't like was Claire overhearing Carmy's rant while stuck in the walk-in. I feel like the love interest overhearing or walking in coincidentally at the worst time is an overused trope these days.
I think if they wanted to get around that trope they shouldve had Claire knock on the door 30 seconds after he had said his piece and maybe he wouldve had the realization he did when she was present. But we just need Carmy to spiral just a but more.
Post by jorgeandthekraken on Jul 8, 2023 22:28:04 GMT -5
There is entertainment I acknowledge as excellently made, but that I never need to watch again - one big example being the original Oldboy, which was so good but so totally upsetting that I don’t ever need to experience it a second time.
I think Fishes is on that list, now. Holy shit, what a riveting, expertly crafted depiction of that sort of toxic family dynamic. Having dealt with stuff of that nature in my own life, it was practically a horror film for me. I had to take an edible to calm my nerves after I watched it, I was so on edge.
Woof. Great job, The Bear. Please don’t do that again.
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There is entertainment I acknowledge as excellently made, but that I never need to watch again - one big example being the original Oldboy, which was so good but so totally upsetting that I don’t ever need to experience it a second time.
I think Fishes is on that list, now. Holy shit, what a riveting, expertly crafted depiction of that sort of toxic family dynamic. Having dealt with stuff of that nature in my own life, it was practically a horror film for me. I had to take an edible to calm my nerves after I watched it, I was so on edge.
Woof. Great job, The Bear. Please don’t do that again.
My family is so tiny and uptight, I have NEVER seen any of them yell at each other in a group. (Now parents and kids yelling in private, sure.) I have relatives who would rather poke out their own eyes than talk about anything uncomfortable for one second. 😑🤣
There is entertainment I acknowledge as excellently made, but that I never need to watch again - one big example being the original Oldboy, which was so good but so totally upsetting that I don’t ever need to experience it a second time.
I think Fishes is on that list, now. Holy shit, what a riveting, expertly crafted depiction of that sort of toxic family dynamic. Having dealt with stuff of that nature in my own life, it was practically a horror film for me. I had to take an edible to calm my nerves after I watched it, I was so on edge.
Woof. Great job, The Bear. Please don’t do that again.
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wish I wouldn't have been spoiled on the community bit (screenshot on Reddit) but was happy to see it/didn't know when it was
honestly out of all the chaotic stuff I think Richie giving Unc the dessert was one of the biggest gut punch moments for me, so much tied into that Ep6 and that bit was a little more subtle at tying that event and Forks together. great moment for Richie.
That Jamie Lee scene with Petey in the final episode killed me.
Only thing I didn't like was Claire overhearing Carmy's rant while stuck in the walk-in. I feel like the love interest overhearing or walking in coincidentally at the worst time is an overused trope these days.
I agree the Claire scene was unnecessary. Was what he said really that bad? A lot of it was self depreciating and wasn't directly about her. I feel like Claire's character would be wise enough to know when someone is having a panic attack and self sabotaging. They didn't need to set up a "gotta win her back" for season 3 because they were already setting up love drama where Sydney is falling for Carmy
That Jamie Lee scene with Petey in the final episode killed me.
Only thing I didn't like was Claire overhearing Carmy's rant while stuck in the walk-in. I feel like the love interest overhearing or walking in coincidentally at the worst time is an overused trope these days.
I agree the Claire scene was unnecessary. Was what he said really that bad? A lot of it was self depreciating and wasn't directly about her. I feel like Claire's character would be wise enough to know when someone is having a panic attack and self sabotaging. They didn't need to set up a "gotta win her back" for season 3 because they were already setting up love drama where Sydney is falling for Carmy
Really? Do you think that's what they're doing? Ugh, god, I hope not. What I got from their relationship was that she wanted him as a mentor and a partner, but he's so fucked up that he wasn't providing that, and given how important the success of this endeavor was to her, that was the main source of her angst. I think it'll be really kind of bleh if they take it down a romantic path with those two.
I feel like the reason Claire walked was because she knew what Carly was saying was true. Sure, he was self-sabotaging, but also, boy fucking howdy is he a mess that would be an absolute disaster in any sort of attempt at a real relationship given where he currently is in his emotional development. Claire has her shit together; I could totally grasp why a character like that wouldn't sink a ton of investment into a romantic partner so fucked up and self-loathing.
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Post by jorgeandthekraken on Jul 24, 2023 13:39:37 GMT -5
Also, I just finished season 2 last night, and I cannot describe how stoked I was when the "Animal" needle drop happened. Pearl Jam, the Replacements, REM...the music in this show gets me.
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"I know there are people who are very invested in that, and I understand and I appreciate it, but it was not that for me," Edebiri said, laughing. White shared the same sentiment: "No! It was never discussed by anybody," he said. It is shockingly rare to see a platonic relationship between cis men and cis women on TV, and as Calo said, the idea of Sydney and Carmy getting together on a romantic level "never came up." Good! They don't need it! "We wanted to make something that was about friendship and a partnership," said show creator Christopher Storer. "It was interesting because Ayo and Jeremy, since they are our friends and are such wonderful people, I think there is this charisma that comes off both of them."
Post by abefroman1 on Jul 24, 2023 14:44:38 GMT -5
Well alright, I guess I'm an idiot and read into the very obvious awkward scene when Carmy reveals to the chefs he's talking to Claire (Sydney was like "huh, what girl? Girlfriend?"). I could see where Sydney would have the same reaction to a mentor's time being stolen as one would have to a love interest being stolen
"I know there are people who are very invested in that, and I understand and I appreciate it, but it was not that for me," Edebiri said, laughing. White shared the same sentiment: "No! It was never discussed by anybody," he said. It is shockingly rare to see a platonic relationship between cis men and cis women on TV, and as Calo said, the idea of Sydney and Carmy getting together on a romantic level "never came up." Good! They don't need it! "We wanted to make something that was about friendship and a partnership," said show creator Christopher Storer. "It was interesting because Ayo and Jeremy, since they are our friends and are such wonderful people, I think there is this charisma that comes off both of them."
whew, thanks for this, was worried for like a second scrolling through this thread that maybe carmy/sydney was a thing and i just missed it. some of my favorite TV shows of all time feature a male/female mentor/mentee dynamic that is 100% platonic. the bear, mad men, and 30 rock. something about that dynamic just really elevates a show and i can't put my finger on why.
finished S2 last night, as I said in the general TV thread, S2E7 "Forks" is the best episode of TV I'll see all year, and easily my favorite of the series. i had the same feeling last year when I watched Andor S1E9 "Nobody's Listening". just levitating above my couch, my body and brain absolutely awash in greatness.
in a show riddled with great needledrops, the absolute best of the season was in the finale when Richie starts expediting and as soon as the five minute timer starts they drop Pearl Jam "Animal". i wanted to throw my shoe at the fucking TV i was so excited.
best needledrop of the series is still Radiohead "Let Down" in the S1 finale. shameless motherfuckers.
my mild critique of the finale is in comparison to the S1 finale. in S1, i imagine the showrunners were operating from the perspective that this might be the only season they get, so they wanted to tell a complete story. and they did, the finale was so perfect that i thought for sure it was a limited series and i was happy with that. S2 they are operating from a place of more confidence, which is great, because of that confidence S2 as a whole is better than S1, but it also gave them the freedom to end S2 with situations unresolved. claire and carmy's relationship, richie and carmy's relationship, marcus and sydney's relationship, etc. don't get me wrong, i want a S3, but i was hoping they would wrap things up in S2 then introduce new story in S3.
shout out to Alex Moffat smoking meth in the alley outside the restaurant LOL.
also super glad Pete had a moment in the finale. before this he was kind of a one-note caricature, a super sweet supportive guy that Natalie was thankfully drawn to to escape the chaos of her family, and i loved that, but this scene with the mom, and the emotion he showed afterward to Natalie, turned him into an actual character. was good to see all the chaos had an impact on him as well, it just comes out in a more healthy way than the rest of the cast.
A friend of mine didn't really "get" Forks when she watched it a couple of nights ago and was confused when I said that it was my favorite episode of the season
She asked me to explain what I thought about it and saw in it. I went sort of stream of consciousness on her and she hasn't responded yet 😅
Here's what I said
so
Forks
i think it works so well for a variety of reasons that all sort of dovetail together to create a whole that is unexpected.
cooking at a high level requires some kind of compass. not just the recipe, because you need the compass to even make the recipe. irrespective of ingredients, your compass is your palate and how you can navigate a dish by using the right amount of salt, fat, acid, and heat. we see this over and over with Syd in particular; her dishes early in the season are off because her compass is off. she's in uncharted territory.
but like, at least she *has* a compass, right? she knows what she's trying to do, what the restaurant is trying to do, and what her role is in making that happen. almost everyone else on the staff does, too, though their roles may not be as large, they are important cogs who know that they are critical to the whole thing working. Ebra has a crisis of faith, but T ultimately brings him back into the fold.
Richie doesn't have a compass. He is not a cook. His role has never been clearly defined, in the old restaurant or the new one. His is adrift, and has been for some time - in the chaos of the Christmas episode just before, we see maybe the last time he thought he had a handle on anything, and even then it was tenuous. richie, at best, is all acid, or all heat, or all salt. he careens in one direction until it becomes abundantly clear, first to everyone else, then to him, that it isn't working. we see how desperate and sad his life is getting whenever he talks to Tiffany, especially about their daughter, though in this case it's the other kind of sorrow: she's engaged. their daughter will have a new father figure, taylor swift tickets be damned.
Before he arrives at Ever for his week of training, all he knows is chaos and sadness. he is thrown into an environment that is anything and everything but that. it is order and it is serene and it produces transcendent joy for the patrons at Ever. he resents it because he feels out of place, but as he feels less and less out of place, not only does the resentment fade, but he gains clarity. his considerable gift for working with people get put to use: he is in the zone. that this is temporary, and that he will return to chaos and sadness undergirds the entire story: The Bear is still waiting for him when he leaves. but the conversation with Olivia Colman, mindfully peeling mushrooms simply because it shows the guests that someone took the time and attention to do it, and Richie joining her in doing the task, without any sense of obligation, shows that he finally has a sense of what he's doing and why, and where he fits into the grand scheme Carmy and Sydney (and Sugar, to some extent) have for The Bear. it's an almost perfectly structured story told at the perfect time in the larger arc of the series, with impeccable pacing, writing, acting. the episode itself is a microcosm of what Ever does, and what Carmy and Syd want to do with The Bear. it's just a brilliant episode of television.
A friend of mine didn't really "get" Forks when she watched it a couple of nights ago and was confused when I said that it was my favorite episode of the season
She asked me to explain what I thought about it and saw in it. I went sort of stream of consciousness on her and she hasn't responded yet 😅
Here's what I said
so
Forks
i think it works so well for a variety of reasons that all sort of dovetail together to create a whole that is unexpected.
cooking at a high level requires some kind of compass. not just the recipe, because you need the compass to even make the recipe. irrespective of ingredients, your compass is your palate and how you can navigate a dish by using the right amount of salt, fat, acid, and heat. we see this over and over with Syd in particular; her dishes early in the season are off because her compass is off. she's in uncharted territory.
but like, at least she *has* a compass, right? she knows what she's trying to do, what the restaurant is trying to do, and what her role is in making that happen. almost everyone else on the staff does, too, though their roles may not be as large, they are important cogs who know that they are critical to the whole thing working. Ebra has a crisis of faith, but T ultimately brings him back into the fold.
Richie doesn't have a compass. He is not a cook. His role has never been clearly defined, in the old restaurant or the new one. His is adrift, and has been for some time - in the chaos of the Christmas episode just before, we see maybe the last time he thought he had a handle on anything, and even then it was tenuous. richie, at best, is all acid, or all heat, or all salt. he careens in one direction until it becomes abundantly clear, first to everyone else, then to him, that it isn't working. we see how desperate and sad his life is getting whenever he talks to Tiffany, especially about their daughter, though in this case it's the other kind of sorrow: she's engaged. their daughter will have a new father figure, taylor swift tickets be damned.
Before he arrives at Ever for his week of training, all he knows is chaos and sadness. he is thrown into an environment that is anything and everything but that. it is order and it is serene and it produces transcendent joy for the patrons at Ever. he resents it because he feels out of place, but as he feels less and less out of place, not only does the resentment fade, but he gains clarity. his considerable gift for working with people get put to use: he is in the zone. that this is temporary, and that he will return to chaos and sadness undergirds the entire story: The Bear is still waiting for him when he leaves. but the conversation with Olivia Colman, mindfully peeling mushrooms simply because it shows the guests that someone took the time and attention to do it, and Richie joining her in doing the task, without any sense of obligation, shows that he finally has a sense of what he's doing and why, and where he fits into the grand scheme Carmy and Sydney (and Sugar, to some extent) have for The Bear. it's an almost perfectly structured story told at the perfect time in the larger arc of the series, with impeccable pacing, writing, acting. the episode itself is a microcosm of what Ever does, and what Carmy and Syd want to do with The Bear. it's just a brilliant episode of television.
Post by Jim the Luck DЯagon on Oct 4, 2023 9:57:49 GMT -5
“Let Down” at the end of season 1 is, as far as I can remember, the only time I’ve cried as a result of watching a TV show. Such a perfect tension and release moment
I watched both seasons in like 5 days and you guys have said it all already, but this show is just fantastic.
best needledrop in your opinion: radiohead "let down" in season 1 finale or pearl jam "animal" in season 2 finale?
let down for sure, but I'm a big REM fan so hearing a bunch of that was always appreciated. And that was a perfect use of NIN's The Day The World Went Away in episode 9!
