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Thursday and Sunday are good. Friday and Saturday could end up serviceable if they don’t fuck up the schedule too bad (but they will). Headliners are absolute cheeks.
Overall pretty good!
Looking back through the lineup again and reevaluating my taek.
I think Thursday is good by recent Thursday standards, but looking at it now I’m not blown away. Roisin being there is wild, but I don’t care about the “headliners” and the rest is fine.
I’ve upgraded my Friday take to “good”
I’ve downgraded my Saturday take to “sucks”
Sunday is still the best day by a mile.
I was gonna go the hurricane year but (fortunately I guess) backed out at the last minute for covid reasons, and the line ups since that year have all been frustratingly close to “good enough to go back” but not quite there. I’m locked in for Glastonbury this year, so attending this was never on the table, but the idea of going to a fest with three good to great days then one day where Sean Paul would be the act I was most excited for is super frustrating
Do we think who stage artists are included in this initial lineup?.
Nah it's basically the same number of acts on the original poster as last year. It's definitely possible that a couple acts go on the What before PL on Thursday this year but it's unprecedented.
Thurs: 20 in '23 vs 22 in '24 Fri: 32 in '23 vs 33 in '24 Sat: 29 in '23 vs 30 in '24 Sun: 25 in '23 vs 25 in '24
Post by 3post1jack1 on Jan 15, 2024 16:41:41 GMT -5
but the great thing about bonnaroo is if there is a time without any bands you wanna see you can just take massive bong rips and crush beers back at camp with the boys. then you can lay around like fuck its hot i'm so tired fuck and you start crying when the mushrooms come on even though you aren't sad AT ALL
but the great thing about bonnaroo is if there is a time without any bands you wanna see you can just take massive bong rips and crush beers back at camp with the boys. then you can lay around like fuck its hot i'm so tired fuck and you start crying when the mushrooms come on even though you aren't sad AT ALL
Ya the thing is I do that every Saturday and I also have air conditioning
what kind of freaks me out about this lineup is how much i enjoy the other artists. almost every mock schedule i see has me spending the majority of my time at the other, which has never happened before for me.
other acts i am genuinely excited for:
isoxo hamdi whyte fang four tet shy fx its murph knock2
other acts i'd be interested in seeing (could be upgraded based on more listening):
honeyluv fisher lyny dr. fresch vandelux kasablanca disco lines oliver heldens diplo tsha veggi
other acts i'm not particularly interested in seeing:
jessica audiffred* svdden death* seven lions galantis# two friends#
* - to be fair to jessica and svdden death, they seem to do a type of pure new school dubstep that is usually fun for me for about 10 minutes but then i'm looking at my watch. but if they craft an interesting set it could be engaging. like the reason i respect excision is he keeps his sets interesting while remaining true to his chosen genre.
# - whats really nice about galantis and two friends is they will almost certainly be during Jason Isbell so very good scheduling for my tastes.
i'll say this, traditionally with electronic music i'm mainly a techno guy, but this past year i find myself listening to the "sub low" and "bass arcade" playlists more on spotify then "techno bunker" which is usually my go to. obviously there is a whole world of artists that play within those genres that don't appear on those playlists, but i think they do represent what is popular in those respective genres. and what's apparently popular in techno right now isn't super to my liking. lot of high bpm tracks, or tracks with shameless vocal samples that kind of make me roll my eyes. it's like here comes this beat and here is a vocal sample thats like "I'M GUNNA ROLL ON MDMA ALL NIGHT LONG AND PARTY PARTY" and it's like yeah i know people are doing that but maybe lets be a little more low key about it? whereas while there is of course some trash on the bass music playlists there is also a lot of interesting stuff. seeing more old school dubstep revival, or drum and bass, or interesting applications of other genres in a fun or even humorous way.
also i like the house music artists of course. house music always rules.
i've been listening to this song "nan slapper" a lot and i hope somebody selects it at bonnaroo. the bass drop is EXTREMELY upsetting. it sounds like something terrible is happening to your subwoofer and it's awesome.
i remember in 2019 i went with my brother and he’s older than me and had seen some edm in the early 2010s like skrillex and basslights and he saw 12th planet at bonnaroo and told me “back in my day there’d be a build up to a drop like a few times during a show and that was great. now it seems like the entire set is a drop.”
Herobust is the biggest culprit after Skrillex. But that 12th Planet show was great.
Post by 3post1jack1 on Jan 16, 2024 11:44:03 GMT -5
i've done some variation on this take in the past and i'm not even sure if i believe it but since we aren't talking about anything else: we don't make headliners anymore.
i respect the shots that coachella takes, bad bunny/blackpink were at least different and exciting choices, and frank ocean was a good booking that unfortunately ended in disaster because frank ocean hates his fans. but in terms of sustainable headliners that will continue to grow and release interesting music and maintain popularity, i just don't know if we are making those types of artists anymore? so what we end up with is some 90s or 00s act that hasn't really had a hit in decades and then post malone i guess. SZA is at least an attempt but i don't know.
i'm not doing the old guy "they don't makes any good music anymore!!" because that's bullshit, there is tons of great music coming from all directions and genres. but it seems like each year we have less and less artists that can really do a career spanning headlining set. the type of set that you walk away from like "goddamn i never realized how many songs from <artist> i liked".
like what headliners have we created in the past ten years? tame impala? and they are great but they can't headline every festival.
i've done some variation on this take in the past and i'm not even sure if i believe it but since we aren't talking about anything else: we don't make headliners anymore.
i respect the shots that coachella takes, bad bunny/blackpink were at least different and exciting choices, and frank ocean was a good booking that unfortunately ended in disaster because frank ocean hates his fans. but in terms of sustainable headliners that will continue to grow and release interesting music and maintain popularity, i just don't know if we are making those types of artists anymore? so what we end up with is some 90s or 00s act that hasn't really had a hit in decades and then post malone i guess. SZA is at least an attempt but i don't know.
i'm not doing the old guy "they don't makes any good music anymore!!" because that's bullshit, there is tons of great music coming from all directions and genres. but it seems like each year we have less and less artists that can really do a career spanning headlining set. the type of set that you walk away from like "goddamn i never realized how many songs from <artist> i liked".
like what headliners have we created in the past ten years? tame impala? and they are great but they can't headline every festival.
Aside from Post Malone and The Killers I actually think the gov ball lineup is pretty great. I do disagree with your take about not many headliners that fit your criteria have been made either. There's to many to list but the big ones for me that come to mind right away are
T Swift, Bad Bunny, Tyler, Weeknd, Travis Scott, Bruno Mars, Kendrick, Drake, Adele,
And that's not to mention the obvious up and comers thay just need a few more albums to hot that status, ie; Billie Eilish
Post by murphpeterson on Jan 16, 2024 11:54:15 GMT -5
as a new yorker who went to Gov Ball almost every year up until 2019.. it is really sad seeing what this fest has become and who they are now targeting audience wise.. just a bunch of high schoolers running around
looking at the gov ball lineup, maybe bonnaroo hit it out of the park. looks like booking was all around shit this year
i actually had the same reaction last year. big multi-genre festivals are just generally less exciting to "music people" than they used to be. less chances taken, more package deals for artists with one EP on spotify. not throwing shade on the artists they are trying their best i'm sure to share their musical stories of goin on dates in brooklyn and going to whole foods in brooklyn.
i've done some variation on this take in the past and i'm not even sure if i believe it but since we aren't talking about anything else: we don't make headliners anymore.
i respect the shots that coachella takes, bad bunny/blackpink were at least different and exciting choices, and frank ocean was a good booking that unfortunately ended in disaster because frank ocean hates his fans. but in terms of sustainable headliners that will continue to grow and release interesting music and maintain popularity, i just don't know if we are making those types of artists anymore? so what we end up with is some 90s or 00s act that hasn't really had a hit in decades and then post malone i guess. SZA is at least an attempt but i don't know.
i'm not doing the old guy "they don't makes any good music anymore!!" because that's bullshit, there is tons of great music coming from all directions and genres. but it seems like each year we have less and less artists that can really do a career spanning headlining set. the type of set that you walk away from like "goddamn i never realized how many songs from <artist> i liked".
like what headliners have we created in the past ten years? tame impala? and they are great but they can't headline every festival.
Aside from Post Malone and The Killers I actually think the gov ball lineup is pretty great. I do disagree with your take about not many headliners that fit your criteria have been made either. There's to many to list but the big ones for me that come to mind right away are
T Swift, Bad Bunny, Tyler, Weeknd, Travis Scott, Bruno Mars, Kendrick, Drake, Adele,
And that's not to mention the obvious up and comers thay just need a few more albums to hot that status, ie; Billie Eilish
good list, but i'll trim it a bit because t swift, bruno mars, drake, and adele don't really play festivals right? i know drake headlined coachella once. and t swift is TOO big of a headliner to headline festivals lol.
Aside from Post Malone and The Killers I actually think the gov ball lineup is pretty great. I do disagree with your take about not many headliners that fit your criteria have been made either. There's to many to list but the big ones for me that come to mind right away are
T Swift, Bad Bunny, Tyler, Weeknd, Travis Scott, Bruno Mars, Kendrick, Drake, Adele,
And that's not to mention the obvious up and comers thay just need a few more albums to hot that status, ie; Billie Eilish
good list, but i'll trim it a bit because t swift, bruno mars, drake, and adele don't really play festivals right? i know drake headlined coachella once. and t swift is TOO big of a headliner to headline festivals lol.
Bruno Mars headlined Bourbon & Beyond last year.
I think one of the reasons this is happening is because it's not just radio play and record deals that makes artists famous anymore. So instead of X number of artists at massive fame and 400*X number of artists at no fame, there's like 150*X number of artists at moderate fame
Aside from Post Malone and The Killers I actually think the gov ball lineup is pretty great. I do disagree with your take about not many headliners that fit your criteria have been made either. There's to many to list but the big ones for me that come to mind right away are
T Swift, Bad Bunny, Tyler, Weeknd, Travis Scott, Bruno Mars, Kendrick, Drake, Adele,
And that's not to mention the obvious up and comers thay just need a few more albums to hot that status, ie; Billie Eilish
good list, but i'll trim it a bit because t swift, bruno mars, drake, and adele don't really play festivals right? i know drake headlined coachella once. and t swift is TOO big of a headliner to headline festivals lol.
Rare but, they all (except for Taylor I think) have done fests. I think Lollapalooza for all of em. Still tho there's been a steady stream of great headliners in every genre.
In rock I think Turnstile is only one or 2 albums away from being up there too.
Post by Capital Cincy on Jan 16, 2024 12:09:03 GMT -5
This was too generalized and I'm sure the reasons run deep. But it does seem like a trend from my perspective.
I hate to say this but there are also artists like you mentioned that people Really Hate.
Panic! At the Disco for instance had millenials by the throat with a bunch of aughts hits. But if you go to their subreddit it's like all young zoomers obsessed with the last 3 albums.
So many of their songs have been radio hits and they put on a great show but they just get a lot of hate. Also they're broken up now but this is just an example
Post by murphpeterson on Jan 16, 2024 12:15:29 GMT -5
I'd say a few acts of the last ten years have probably graduated to headliner status this year: Lana Del Ray, Rufus Du Sol Fred Again, the 1975... hate or love 'em.. they will be top billed moving forward
I'd say a few acts of the last ten years have probably graduated to headliner status this year: Lana Del Ray, Rufus Du Sol Fred Again, the 1975... hate or love 'em.. they will be top billed moving forward
i've done some variation on this take in the past and i'm not even sure if i believe it but since we aren't talking about anything else: we don't make headliners anymore.
i respect the shots that coachella takes, bad bunny/blackpink were at least different and exciting choices, and frank ocean was a good booking that unfortunately ended in disaster because frank ocean hates his fans. but in terms of sustainable headliners that will continue to grow and release interesting music and maintain popularity, i just don't know if we are making those types of artists anymore? so what we end up with is some 90s or 00s act that hasn't really had a hit in decades and then post malone i guess. SZA is at least an attempt but i don't know.
i'm not doing the old guy "they don't makes any good music anymore!!" because that's bullshit, there is tons of great music coming from all directions and genres. but it seems like each year we have less and less artists that can really do a career spanning headlining set. the type of set that you walk away from like "goddamn i never realized how many songs from <artist> i liked".
like what headliners have we created in the past ten years? tame impala? and they are great but they can't headline every festival.
I think it has a lot to do with the change in how we consume music. When I was young, in each city, there were a handful of radio station and MTV, and that’s where you and everyone in your town heard music. Everyone who watched MTV was familiar with the music they played on TV, everyone who listened to the alternative station knew all the songs they played on the alternative station, etc. This led to some sense of community in the listening experience. As such, it was much easier (oddly enough) for a lot of people to become very familiar with the catalog of a relatively small number of artists, which led to those artists achieving bona fide headliner status. Now, there are so many choices and so many artists, and everyone curates their listening to there own personal tastes, which is great! But the listening becomes much more siloed, so while an artist might become big within a silo, the larger population has probably never even heard of them.
i've done some variation on this take in the past and i'm not even sure if i believe it but since we aren't talking about anything else: we don't make headliners anymore.
i respect the shots that coachella takes, bad bunny/blackpink were at least different and exciting choices, and frank ocean was a good booking that unfortunately ended in disaster because frank ocean hates his fans. but in terms of sustainable headliners that will continue to grow and release interesting music and maintain popularity, i just don't know if we are making those types of artists anymore? so what we end up with is some 90s or 00s act that hasn't really had a hit in decades and then post malone i guess. SZA is at least an attempt but i don't know.
i'm not doing the old guy "they don't makes any good music anymore!!" because that's bullshit, there is tons of great music coming from all directions and genres. but it seems like each year we have less and less artists that can really do a career spanning headlining set. the type of set that you walk away from like "goddamn i never realized how many songs from <artist> i liked".
like what headliners have we created in the past ten years? tame impala? and they are great but they can't headline every festival.
I think it has a lot to do with the change in how we consume music. When I was young, in each city, there were a handful of radio station and MTV, and that’s where you and everyone in your town heard music. Everyone who watched MTV was familiar with the music they played on TV, everyone who listened to the alternative station knew all the songs they played on the alternative station, etc. This led to some sense of community in the listening experience. As such, it was much easier (oddly enough) for a lot of people to become very familiar with the catalog of a relatively small number of artists, which led to those artists achieve in bona fide headliner status. Now, there are so many choices and so many artists, and everyone curates their listening to there own personal tastes, which is great! But the listening becomes much more siloed, so while an artist might become big within a silo, the larger population has probably never even heard of them.
i've done some variation on this take in the past and i'm not even sure if i believe it but since we aren't talking about anything else: we don't make headliners anymore.
i respect the shots that coachella takes, bad bunny/blackpink were at least different and exciting choices, and frank ocean was a good booking that unfortunately ended in disaster because frank ocean hates his fans. but in terms of sustainable headliners that will continue to grow and release interesting music and maintain popularity, i just don't know if we are making those types of artists anymore? so what we end up with is some 90s or 00s act that hasn't really had a hit in decades and then post malone i guess. SZA is at least an attempt but i don't know.
i'm not doing the old guy "they don't makes any good music anymore!!" because that's bullshit, there is tons of great music coming from all directions and genres. but it seems like each year we have less and less artists that can really do a career spanning headlining set. the type of set that you walk away from like "goddamn i never realized how many songs from <artist> i liked".
like what headliners have we created in the past ten years? tame impala? and they are great but they can't headline every festival.
I think it has a lot to do with the change in how we consume music. When I was young, in each city, there were a handful of radio station and MTV, and that’s where you and everyone in your town heard music. Everyone who watched MTV was familiar with the music they played on TV, everyone who listened to the alternative station knew all the songs they played on the alternative station, etc. This led to some sense of community in the listening experience. As such, it was much easier (oddly enough) for a lot of people to become very familiar with the catalog of a relatively small number of artists, which led to those artists achieve in bona fide headliner status. Now, there are so many choices and so many artists, and everyone curates their listening to there own personal tastes, which is great! But the listening becomes much more siloed, so while an artist might become big within a silo, the larger population has probably never even heard of them.
good point, and similar to what Capital Cincy said above.
i should note i'm not throwing my hands up and saying ALL IS LOST when i make the no headliners anymore take. it's just a different landscape then it used to be. different can be good, it can create cool experiences like when i was 100% uninterested in odesza last year and ended up having a great time at their set.
it's more about tempering ones expectations for multi-genre festivals moving forward because the headliner pool is the headliner pool. where i can throw stones at festival bookers is the undercard, there is zero reason to book a bland undercard in 2024.
I think it has a lot to do with the change in how we consume music. When I was young, in each city, there were a handful of radio station and MTV, and that’s where you and everyone in your town heard music. Everyone who watched MTV was familiar with the music they played on TV, everyone who listened to the alternative station knew all the songs they played on the alternative station, etc. This led to some sense of community in the listening experience. As such, it was much easier (oddly enough) for a lot of people to become very familiar with the catalog of a relatively small number of artists, which led to those artists achieve in bona fide headliner status. Now, there are so many choices and so many artists, and everyone curates their listening to there own personal tastes, which is great! But the listening becomes much more siloed, so while an artist might become big within a silo, the larger population has probably never even heard of them.
good point, and similar to what Capital Cincy said above.
i should note i'm not throwing my hands up and saying ALL IS LOST when i make the no headliners anymore take. it's just a different landscape then it used to be. different can be good, it can create cool experiences like when i was 100% uninterested in odesza last year and ended up having a great time at their set.
it's more about tempering ones expectations for multi-genre festivals moving forward because the headliner pool is the headliner pool. where i can throw stones at festival bookers is the undercard, there is zero reason to book a bland undercard in 2024.
The solution is clearly for MTV to bring back Dial MTV.
I also wonder if the conglomeration of festivals under 2 companies(AEG and LN) contributed to headliners feeling so same-y/uninspired. Like mentioned earlier I do feel like there are a lot of modern megastars who would be HL level, but they’re either playing a ton of festivals in a year, playing coach, or not playing any at all. There’s no longer a world in which roo alone gets a crazy unique HL, as we really only have the pool of “artists going on LN tours” to select from. If festivals were more independent I think unique and up and coming headliners(helping build hype and fandoms over the years, like you mentioned) would be a lot more prevalent.
Post by Capital Cincy on Jan 16, 2024 12:39:03 GMT -5
Yeah like for instance if I was booking an indie fest I could have Rat Jerking Off as a thursday warm up day headliner and that would be interesting and new
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