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i have less confidence in the season as a whole with every episode, but it's still compelling television and i am looking forward to how it all wraps up.
actually secretly hoping they wrap up all the crime ghost stuff next week, then episode 6 Nev and Max show up to help Hank confront Danvers.
Similar thoughts. I thought it was a good episode until the end. I don't mind how much they are leaning into ghost stuff and hallucinations but I feel like it is executed in a very cheesy and lame way.
i have less confidence in the season as a whole with every episode, but it's still compelling television and i am looking forward to how it all wraps up.
actually secretly hoping they wrap up all the crime ghost stuff next week, then episode 6 Nev and Max show up to help Hank confront Danvers.
Similar thoughts. I thought it was a good episode until the end. I don't mind how much they are leaning into ghost stuff and hallucinations but I feel like it is executed in a very cheesy and lame way.
feel like it's just gunna end up with the mine people killed tsalal guys/annie k for finding their pollution. pollution is making people hallucinate etc.
honestly my favorite part of this whole show and what keeps me going is the catfishing subplot and danvers just generally being awful. really enjoying jodie foster's performance, each episode danvers sucks so much worse as a person and i like that.
Similar thoughts. I thought it was a good episode until the end. I don't mind how much they are leaning into ghost stuff and hallucinations but I feel like it is executed in a very cheesy and lame way.
feel like it's just gunna end up with the mine people killed tsalal guys/annie k for finding their pollution. pollution is making people hallucinate etc.
honestly my favorite part of this whole show and what keeps me going is the catfishing subplot and danvers just generally being awful. really enjoying jodie foster's performance, each episode danvers sucks so much worse as a person and i like that.
Yeah she is awful. Kali Reis was awesome this episode. Thought for sure Prior was going to die and it was going to be on Danvers but I'm glad they didn't go that route. But the whole thing with him and Danvers overworking him and his wife being mad is getting too repetitive.
feel like it's just gunna end up with the mine people killed tsalal guys/annie k for finding their pollution. pollution is making people hallucinate etc.
honestly my favorite part of this whole show and what keeps me going is the catfishing subplot and danvers just generally being awful. really enjoying jodie foster's performance, each episode danvers sucks so much worse as a person and i like that.
Yeah she is awful. Kali Reis was awesome this episode. Thought for sure Prior was going to die and it was going to be on Danvers but I'm glad they didn't go that route. But the whole thing with him and Danvers overworking him and his wife being mad is getting too repetitive.
at the risk of sounding preachy and self-congratulatory, it's weird for a show centered around women to have Prior's wife fully embody the "wife as wet blanket" trope. other than one scene in the first episode when we see they actually love each other, every scene is just her being mad he is working overtime. which i get, she doesn't like danvers because nobody likes danvers and she wants her husbands help at home, but it sucks that her character just exists to be a drag on Prior.
also thought Prior was going to die and also glad that didn't happen, would've been a bit too much in an episode already riddled with tragedy. also agree this was Kali Reis's best performance of the season.
Post by magicdance81 on Feb 6, 2024 16:21:27 GMT -5
Anyone willing to propose a fantastical guess about the killer? I have a few. - Qavvik's been poisoning everyone with his home brew. He's just too likeable. Everyone has a secret. - Hank's a shill for the mining company and kills for them to keep the operation running. The dumb guy thing is an act. Connelly is on the take as well. Hence them both trying to interfere in investigations. - Elf playing on TV was a hint that ELF (Earth Liberation Front) is involved. They're sabotaging the mine and killing townsfolk to make the mine look even worse. - God. The Tsalal guys discovered earth's original life form, hence proximity to God. Humans being exposed to it has an Ark of the Covenant-like effect = terror, corneal burns, ruptured eardrums.
Anyone willing to propose a fantastical guess about the killer? I have a few. - Qavvik's been poisoning everyone with his home brew. He's just too likeable. Everyone has a secret. - Hank's a shill for the mining company and kills for them to keep the operation running. The dumb guy thing is an act. Connelly is on the take as well. Hence them both trying to interfere in investigations. - Elf playing on TV was a hint that ELF (Earth Liberation Front) is involved. They're sabotaging the mine and killing townsfolk to make the mine look even worse. - God. The Tsalal guys discovered earth's original life form, hence proximity to God. Humans being exposed to it has an Ark of the Covenant-like effect = terror, corneal burns, ruptured eardrums.
I have a feeling any of these are better than what we actually get.
Anyone willing to propose a fantastical guess about the killer? I have a few. - Qavvik's been poisoning everyone with his home brew. He's just too likeable. Everyone has a secret. - Hank's a shill for the mining company and kills for them to keep the operation running. The dumb guy thing is an act. Connelly is on the take as well. Hence them both trying to interfere in investigations. - Elf playing on TV was a hint that ELF (Earth Liberation Front) is involved. They're sabotaging the mine and killing townsfolk to make the mine look even worse. - God. The Tsalal guys discovered earth's original life form, hence proximity to God. Humans being exposed to it has an Ark of the Covenant-like effect = terror, corneal burns, ruptured eardrums.
How bout that?
I'm afraid that this show should have been seven or eight or maybe nine episodes. They have a LOT to clean up in one episode.
Post by 3post1jack1 on Feb 13, 2024 16:17:39 GMT -5
so was the kid really just going to sleep in danvers' uninsulated shed in northern alaska when a category 4 storm was coming? i know i'm a southerner so extreme cold is scary and strange to me but he would literally die right?
so was the kid really just going to sleep in danvers' uninsulated shed in northern alaska when a category 4 storm was coming? i know i'm a southerner so extreme cold is scary and strange to me but he would literally die right?
Yeah I didn't like that either. Lots of loose stuff here. Hope they land the plane.
so was the kid really just going to sleep in danvers' uninsulated shed in northern alaska when a category 4 storm was coming? i know i'm a southerner so extreme cold is scary and strange to me but he would literally die right?
Alaskans are tough. You’re not tough enough to live in Alaska. You’re no Portugal. the Man or Todd Palin.
so was the kid really just going to sleep in danvers' uninsulated shed in northern alaska when a category 4 storm was coming? i know i'm a southerner so extreme cold is scary and strange to me but he would literally die right?
Alaskans are tough. You’re not tough enough to live in Alaska. You’re no Portugal. the Man or Todd Palin.
i don't know, i was tough enough to make it through that slowed down version of eagle eye cherry's "save tonight" on episode 5. that's real grit.
I’m behind season 4 because the season had inspired me to rewatch season 1. I think I’m confident in saying that’s my favorite season of television ever. Nothing has topped it since it aired. I’m picking up so many more details now. Especially how the ‘detectives curse’ plays a huge part in the whole season. The last two episodes are so heartbreaking with how Marty and Rust’s lives end up. Just perfect, through and through.
good finale IMO, definitely left me feeling better about the show after a disappointing couple of episodes. i didn't think i was going to be surprised but i was surprised at certain aspects of the reveal.
still like a 2/5 stars for the season overall, but an enjoyable 2/5 stars. i enjoyed the performances all around and again it was just cool setting to hang out in for an hour every week. i looked forward to it. i think it just wasn't a consistently great script.
Post by Capital Cincy on Feb 20, 2024 9:08:26 GMT -5
I think what really ruined this season for me was the shitty dialogue. When the dialogue was actually good (danvers and nvarro around the fire in the final 'sode, for instance) we got some truly noteworthy performances. I was glued to the screen. Until of course "twist and shout" started playing
I'm ok with how it went overall, though I wish that since the spiritual stuff ended up being some level of "real" that they would have gone into it more.
I think what really ruined this season for me was the shitty dialogue. When the dialogue was actually good (danvers and nvarro around the fire in the final 'sode, for instance) we got some truly noteworthy performances. I was glued to the screen. Until of course "twist and shout" started playing
I'm ok with how it went overall, though I wish that since the spiritual stuff ended up being some level of "real" that they would have gone into it more.
yeah chopped and screwed twist and shout was so bad. repeating myself but i don't think i've ever had needledrops wrench me out of immersion, and that happened multiple times to me this season.
and while i'd love to declare a moratorium on choral/slowed down versions of pop songs in tv and movies, they just did it with Everything In It's Right Place in the 3 Body Problem trailer and it is AWESOME.
Greenwald on The Watch pod (who was NOT a fan of this season of True Detective) put something into words about contemporary TV my thoughts have been dancing around for a while. He wants more shows that take place in the present, meaning as humans we are more than just, paraphrasing here, skin bags filled with our history and trauma. so i will declare a moratorium on trauma TV. just tell me a story from beginning to end please, ideally with character development and emotional stakes.
Wasn't a huge fan of the finale or the season as a whole. Too much of the reveal was in this final episode. The extension of the lab underground through the hatch. Annie's murder. The cleaning ladies reveal. And then with Prior he just buries his dad in the middle of a blizzard and goes back to his wife like all is good now. Jodie Foster killed it as expected but the rest was just so mid.
Post by Ambassador Of Fun on Feb 20, 2024 9:59:00 GMT -5
I’m still going with the theory that the ghosts and such are not real but hallucinations caused by the toxins in the water. Detective work is hard enough without ghosts.
I’m still going with the theory that the ghosts and such are not real but hallucinations caused by the toxins in the water. Detective work is hard enough without ghosts.
Only thing about that is that when Navarro was starting the generator a ghost was in the background and she never turned around. I thought the reveal was cool but the rest of the finale was kinda hot garbage. They never resolved anything about the supernatural. Why were Navarro's ears bleeding in the dredge at the end of that episode? Never addressed. The video of Clark at the end has him all cleaned up when he had a shirt full of blood after getting beaten. Noone thought to look for Navarro AT DANVERS' HOUSE?!?! If she's a ghost that makes more sense. Navarro could never hear anything when she was in that "state" when she's walking on the ice and then she saves Danvers when she falls through? BUILD A BIGGER FIRE AND GET DANVERS CLOSE TO IT! Danvers just pulls off a metal pole when she's locked in the freezer?!?!? There's just conveniently some sort of chemical that she can find that she pours on the hatch and THERE'S A BLUE LIGHT RIGHT THERE?!?! How do you get heroin in an oil dredge?!?!??
I could go on but I won't. I loved the first three eps and the big reveal was cool but this was so rushed. Anyone know why it was only six?
I’m still going with the theory that the ghosts and such are not real but hallucinations caused by the toxins in the water. Detective work is hard enough without ghosts.
Only thing about that is that when Navarro was starting the generator a ghost was in the background and she never turned around. I thought the reveal was cool but the rest of the finale was kinda hot garbage. They never resolved anything about the supernatural. Why were Navarro's ears bleeding in the dredge at the end of that episode? Never addressed. The video of Clark at the end has him all cleaned up when he had a shirt full of blood after getting beaten. Noone thought to look for Navarro AT DANVERS' HOUSE?!?! If she's a ghost that makes more sense. Navarro could never hear anything when she was in that "state" when she's walking on the ice and then she saves Danvers when she falls through? Danvers just pulls off a metal pole when she's locked in the freezer?!?!? There's just conveniently some sort of chemical that she can find that she pours on the hatch and THERE'S A BLUE LIGHT RIGHT THERE?!?! How do you get heroin in an oil dredge?!?!??
I could go on but I won't. I loved the first three eps and the big reveal was cool but this was so rushed. Anyone know why it was only six?
Yeah all these points are super valid tho I will say that one time I took a ferry out to Madeline island in Wisconsin. The permanent population is 220. I met these random guys and they offered me just about every drug in the book. Drugz are universal.
Post by magicdance81 on Feb 20, 2024 13:28:49 GMT -5
"Anyone know why it was only six?"
I can only assume they ran out of ideas to steal from better sci-fi/mystery shows and movies. I can see why some folks think this was an AI-generated show, as it felt like a stream of "borrowed" ideas. The Thing, The Last Winter, X-Files, Lost, Arrival, etc.
The cleaning lady militia scene was unintentionally hilarious to me. I got major Mean Girls vibes, partly because the music reminded me of "Pass that Dutch".
Can I complain about one thing? Am I to believe that Danvers and Navarro drive into the middle of nowhere, drop into an ice cave, walk maybe 20 yards underground, then pop up underneath Tsalal? WTF. Did they not see the building from the cave entrance?
I can only assume they ran out of ideas to steal from better sci-fi/mystery shows and movies. I can see why some folks think this was an AI-generated show, as it felt like a stream of "borrowed" ideas. The Thing, The Last Winter, X-Files, Lost, Arrival, etc.
The cleaning lady militia scene was unintentionally hilarious to me. I got major Mean Girls vibes, partly because the music reminded me of "Pass that Dutch".
Can I complain about one thing? Am I to believe that Danvers and Navarro drive into the middle of nowhere, drop into an ice cave, walk maybe 20 yards underground, then pop up underneath Tsalal? WTF. Did they not see the building from the cave entrance?
lmao I thought the same thing. It would have killed like half of the season's business to have the ice caves a known entity right under tsalal tho. lazy writing
Can I complain about one thing? Am I to believe that Danvers and Navarro drive into the middle of nowhere, drop into an ice cave, walk maybe 20 yards underground, then pop up underneath Tsalal? WTF. Did they not see the building from the cave entrance?
i love michael mann movies, so i'm not typically real big on picking nits at distances and travel time etc, but even i felt this watching the episode last night.
also do all the cleaning ladies live together in that small house? what was going on there.
the cleaning lady reveal might have been more powerful if i knew anything at all about the head cleaning lady telling the story. we saw her for like a minute in the first episode i think. in fact some more knowledge about the indigenous peoples of the area and their culture/beliefs would've been cool, instead of just portraying them as sad innocent victims for five episodes before they became a machine gun kill squad.
Based off some of these comments, sounds like I made the right decision in tuning out halfway through the season. Did the callbacks to the first season stay as forced as I heard they were?
Based off some of these comments, sounds like I made the right decision in tuning out halfway through the season. Did the callbacks to the first season stay as forced as I heard they were?
Ehh, I get why people find it annoying but there were far worse problems with this season than the callbacks.
Based off some of these comments, sounds like I made the right decision in tuning out halfway through the season. Did the callbacks to the first season stay as forced as I heard they were?
yeah. dude straight up said "time is a flat circle" in the finale.
i have loads of issues with the show but i still don't regret watching it. it may be because i've really enjoyed the criticism of the show, every week i looked forward to watching the episode and then also listening to two different podcasts about it. it was fun being part of something week-to-week that felt monocultural.
i keep going back to that pre-show interview i heard with Issa Lopez. gosh she was so cool and so CONFIDENT about the show. i was so pumped up for it. gotta imagine she got this shot because she is "great in the room" as they say, feel like she could probably sell me anything.
i've also enjoyed reading various subreddits about it. obviously some people are way to over the top big mad but it's mostly jokes:
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