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Post by doblejota83 on Mar 11, 2006 8:23:14 GMT -5
is malkmus on this silver jews tour, i have been looking everywhere on the web to figure this out but i can't find a solid answer anywhere.......
when i found out malkmus was in this "other" band that was coming close i immediately bought tickets to the show......
but if malkmus is not there i do not know if i am all too interested, so if anyone knows this answer please let me know........
also if you have been to one these shows this tour let me know how it was, i am not at all familiar with the music, i just want to see malkmus shred up some guitar
Post by doblejota83 on Mar 11, 2006 9:56:05 GMT -5
thanks for that thread... but i am already familiar with it..... it does not quite answer my question..... there is no definite answer on that thread of whether or not he is touring with the jews
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 11, 2006 12:48:02 GMT -5
You've got it wrong, dude. Malkmus isn't in the Jews.
Malkmus and the leader of the Jews, Berman, were both in Pavement together. Berman began it as a side project and nothing else. The most Malkmus ever did was sing on a couple tracks. He was never fully in the band. So, no. He is not touring with the Jews.
However, in all respects, I believe The Silver Jews are just as good as Pavement and should be checked out.
Post by doblejota83 on Mar 11, 2006 14:50:57 GMT -5
"You've got it wrong, dude. Malkmus isn't in the Jews.
Malkmus and the leader of the Jews, Berman, were both in Pavement together. Berman began it as a side project and nothing else. The most Malkmus ever did was sing on a couple tracks. He was never fully in the band. So, no. He is not touring with the Jews."
uhhh, DUDE- YOU got it all wrong, don't tell me that i am wrong about something if you don't even know what you are talking about....... read this and don't try to tell me about things you don't know
Biography by Heather Phares @ allmusic.com........ A beautiful mess of indie rock, country-rock and lo-fi with lyrics both witty and profound, the Silver Jews were formed in 1989 by writer/musician David Berman with his friends, guitarist/singer Stephen Malkmus and drummer Bob Nastanovich. The trio performed together as Ectoslavia when they studied at the University of Virginia; after graduation, they moved to New York and shared an apartment. Dubbing themselves the Silver Jews — after the Silver Apples, the Silver Beatles, and slang for blonde-haired Jewish people — they played noisy, often improvised songs, mostly for the sheer enjoyment they got out of playing together after a hard day's work. At the time, Berman and Malkmus were guards at an art museum and Nastanovich was a bus driver. After work, they would record songs into people's answering machines, but even after the band's sonics improved, the basic idea of friends playing together in a spontaneous way became the Silver Jews' trademark style. Before moving to New York but after finishing his studies, Malkmus founded Pavement with his childhood friend Scott Kannberg. As Pavement's acclaim and visibility grew, the notion arose that the Silver Jews were a "Pavement side-project," despite the fact that Berman's writing, singing, and guitar playing led the band's music. On the band's initial recordings, Berman tried to protect the Jews' individuality, listing Malkmus and Nastanovich under aliases, but it backfired when people learned who "Hazel Figurine" and "Bobby N." really were. The notion of the Jews as a side project was only reaffirmed when Nastanovich joined Pavement as a second drummer (to supplement the duties of Gary Young, their then-current, unpredictable drummer) before the release of the group's debut album, Slanted and Enchanted (which was named after a cartoon that Berman created). Steve West, another college friend, played drums for both bands, first for the Silver Jews on Dime Map of the Reef, and on all of Pavement's releases after Watery, Domestic. However, the Jews' sometimes frustrating "Pavement connection" did bring some important attention to the band: Dan Koretsky, founder of the Chicago-based indie label Drag City, met Berman at a Pavement show. When he heard of the Jews' tapes, Koretsky offered to release them. On their first EPs for the label, 1990's Dime Map of the Reef and 1993's The Arizona Record, the band held to their ultra lo-fi aesthetic and recorded the majority of both on a walkman.After the release of the EPs, Berman entered a graduate-level writing program at the University of Massachusetts and met like-minded members of local bands, the indie/country hybrid Scud Mountain Boys and New Radiant Storm King. Writing and teaching at the university left Berman time for songwriting; soon, he had enough material for an album, which became 1994's Starlite Walker. The album reunited Berman with Malkmus and Nastanovich (this time listed by their real names in the credits) in the 24-track Easley Recording studios for a more focused, polished take on the Silver Jews' literate, lyrical, country and noise-inspired rock.Along with writing and working with other performers like the War Comet and Silver Palace, Berman recorded the Jews' third album, The Natural Bridge, in the summer of 1996 with members of New Radiant Storm King and Drag City artist/producer Rian Murphy. Originally, Berman planned to record this album with Malkmus, Nastanovich, and the Scud Mountain Boys, but both sessions were scrapped after a few days. The Natural Bridge continued to streamline the Silver Jews' sound and let Berman's rich, abstract lyrics and reflective vocals take center stage. Malkmus returned for 1998's American Water, and his guitar and vocal interplay with Berman makes it some of the Silver Jews' best work. The following year, Berman's first collection of poetry, the critically-acclaimed Actual Air, was published by Open City Press. The Silver Jews returned in 2001 with Tennessee, which also featured Berman's wife Cassie on a few tracks. After struggling with depression and substance abuse, Berman resurrected the Jews — which, this time around, included Cassie, Malkmus, Nastanovich, Will Oldham and Azita Youseffi among many others — in early 2005 for a new album. Recorded in Nashville, Tanglewood Numbers narrowly avoided being destroyed in the electrical fire that engulfed Memphis' historic Easley-McCain studio, where it was supposed to be mastered. Drag City released the album that fall. Though he is a reluctant live performer as a musician, Berman occasionally does readings of his short stories, poems in both the U.S. and the U.K.
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 11, 2006 16:39:03 GMT -5
doblejota83 said:
"You've got it wrong, dude. Malkmus isn't in the Jews.
Malkmus and the leader of the Jews, Berman, were both in Pavement together. Berman began it as a side project and nothing else. The most Malkmus ever did was sing on a couple tracks. He was never fully in the band. So, no. He is not touring with the Jews."
uhhh, DUDE- YOU got it all wrong, don't tell me that i am wrong about something if you don't even know what you are talking about....... read this and don't try to tell me about things you don't know
Biography by Heather Phares @ allmusic.com........ A beautiful mess of indie rock, country-rock and lo-fi with lyrics both witty and profound, the Silver Jews were formed in 1989 by writer/musician David Berman with his friends, guitarist/singer Stephen Malkmus and drummer Bob Nastanovich. The trio performed together as Ectoslavia when they studied at the University of Virginia; after graduation, they moved to New York and shared an apartment. Dubbing themselves the Silver Jews — after the Silver Apples, the Silver Beatles, and slang for blonde-haired Jewish people — they played noisy, often improvised songs, mostly for the sheer enjoyment they got out of playing together after a hard day's work. At the time, Berman and Malkmus were guards at an art museum and Nastanovich was a bus driver. After work, they would record songs into people's answering machines, but even after the band's sonics improved, the basic idea of friends playing together in a spontaneous way became the Silver Jews' trademark style. Before moving to New York but after finishing his studies, Malkmus founded Pavement with his childhood friend Scott Kannberg. As Pavement's acclaim and visibility grew, the notion arose that the Silver Jews were a "Pavement side-project," despite the fact that Berman's writing, singing, and guitar playing led the band's music. On the band's initial recordings, Berman tried to protect the Jews' individuality, listing Malkmus and Nastanovich under aliases, but it backfired when people learned who "Hazel Figurine" and "Bobby N." really were. The notion of the Jews as a side project was only reaffirmed when Nastanovich joined Pavement as a second drummer (to supplement the duties of Gary Young, their then-current, unpredictable drummer) before the release of the group's debut album, Slanted and Enchanted (which was named after a cartoon that Berman created). Steve West, another college friend, played drums for both bands, first for the Silver Jews on Dime Map of the Reef, and on all of Pavement's releases after Watery, Domestic. However, the Jews' sometimes frustrating "Pavement connection" did bring some important attention to the band: Dan Koretsky, founder of the Chicago-based indie label Drag City, met Berman at a Pavement show. When he heard of the Jews' tapes, Koretsky offered to release them. On their first EPs for the label, 1990's Dime Map of the Reef and 1993's The Arizona Record, the band held to their ultra lo-fi aesthetic and recorded the majority of both on a walkman.After the release of the EPs, Berman entered a graduate-level writing program at the University of Massachusetts and met like-minded members of local bands, the indie/country hybrid Scud Mountain Boys and New Radiant Storm King. Writing and teaching at the university left Berman time for songwriting; soon, he had enough material for an album, which became 1994's Starlite Walker. The album reunited Berman with Malkmus and Nastanovich (this time listed by their real names in the credits) in the 24-track Easley Recording studios for a more focused, polished take on the Silver Jews' literate, lyrical, country and noise-inspired rock.Along with writing and working with other performers like the War Comet and Silver Palace, Berman recorded the Jews' third album, The Natural Bridge, in the summer of 1996 with members of New Radiant Storm King and Drag City artist/producer Rian Murphy. Originally, Berman planned to record this album with Malkmus, Nastanovich, and the Scud Mountain Boys, but both sessions were scrapped after a few days. The Natural Bridge continued to streamline the Silver Jews' sound and let Berman's rich, abstract lyrics and reflective vocals take center stage. Malkmus returned for 1998's American Water, and his guitar and vocal interplay with Berman makes it some of the Silver Jews' best work. The following year, Berman's first collection of poetry, the critically-acclaimed Actual Air, was published by Open City Press. The Silver Jews returned in 2001 with Tennessee, which also featured Berman's wife Cassie on a few tracks. After struggling with depression and substance abuse, Berman resurrected the Jews — which, this time around, included Cassie, Malkmus, Nastanovich, Will Oldham and Azita Youseffi among many others — in early 2005 for a new album. Recorded in Nashville, Tanglewood Numbers narrowly avoided being destroyed in the electrical fire that engulfed Memphis' historic Easley-McCain studio, where it was supposed to be mastered. Drag City released the album that fall. Though he is a reluctant live performer as a musician, Berman occasionally does readings of his short stories, poems in both the U.S. and the U.K.
No need to get up in arms about it, man. Stay cool. I had the misconception that Berman had been in Pavement, and I was wrong, I admit.
However, the fact remains, Malkmus is not touring with the Jews. I'm not going to get into the argument of whether or not Malkmus is a member of the Jews, but as far as I can tell, this tour is focusing on the Tanglewood Numbers CD, which Malkmus had no part in.
And dudezer, no he hasn't. Malkmus has appeared on American Water, Starlite Walker, and The Arizona Record (aliased under the name Hazel Figurine).
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 11, 2006 17:10:05 GMT -5
aquariumdrunk said:
venusinfurs said:
However, the fact remains, Malkmus is not touring with the Jews. I'm not going to get into the argument of whether or not Malkmus is a member of the Jews, but as far as I can tell, this tour is focusing on the Tanglewood Numbers CD, which Malkmus had no part in.
I'm not sure if Malkmus will be touring with SJ, but he definitely played on Tanglewood Numbers. AllMusic implies that he did and then doesn't list him in the credit sections. They're jsut wrong. You can look it up just about anywhere else.
This whole thread is such a clusterf*ck.
Hm. You positive? He's not listed in the CD liner notes either.
Yeah though man, I know da*n well his name was tossed around in various places. Gimme a few minutes.
Edit:
This is from Drag City...
From Big news drops in October — in case you hadn’t already heard, October 18th is the date that the new Silver Jews opus Tanglewood Numbers becomes available to a world that has desperately needed more love from the Jews! You see, Silver Jews are a tradition to the young and semi-young of our global village — they quote David Berman’s lyrics, incorporating them as catch-phrases into their impressionable lives, fashion their lifestyles after what they imagine Silver Jews’ albums to be espousing and burn their favorite songs onto mix-CDs that they seek to influence others with, the cheap bitches! Ah, what we wouldn’t do for this fandom...it seems like the least we could do (literally) to release an album every four years or so from one of Drag City’s most celebrated of bands.
Tanglewood Numbers is a celebration of life, played by more living creatures than ever before featured on a Silver Jews record. For all you dweebs out there: yes, Steve Malkmus is one of those creatures. And this helps to make Tanglewood Numbers one of the electric Jews records — as opposed to the more acoustically-flavored Bright Flight, let’s say. At times, the electricity is a bit shocking — but at the end of the day, it’s a great new Silver Jews record, full of life and death and beauty and humor and all the rest. Viva Tanglewood Numbers! It’s loaded with some of the greatest Silver Jews music.
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 11, 2006 17:13:52 GMT -5
aquariumdrunk said:
Sorry, I accidentally deleted my post!
Yeah though man, I know da*n well his name was tossed around in various places. Gimme a few minutes.
Ahh, i found some stuff on it already. Apparently, he contributed some guitars, so I'm led to believe? Man, I'm pretty confused by all this. I always thought Malkmus just collaberated from time to time. Ah well. Can't win them all.
Haha, nah, he was technically one of the original "members" of Silver Jews. Still though, like you noted, it has always been Berman's baby and the SJ albums without Malkmus can come off as nothing more than solo efforts. Anyway, yeah, from what I understand he played some geehtah on a few tracks and was given songwriting credit on at least one song according to AllMusic.
Oh man, you have no idea how upset I am about having to miss this tour. I'll have already moved west by the time Berman hits Chicago. To add insult to injury, he's playing one of my favorite venues, the Double Door. I'm really hoping he adds a few dates and graces us with his presence in Colorado. Although, I'm not getting my hopes up.
Post by melikecheese on Mar 11, 2006 22:21:45 GMT -5
Malkmus is not touring with the silver jews. It will still be a good show.
Malkmus isn't touring this summer at all because he doesnt have a drummer at this point. The only shows he and the Jicks are going to play so far is the Matador showcase at SXSW and Bonnaroo.
a quote from the website "there was a tour planned , now it is dust, cant find the right drummer . ill let you know when more gigs, new album are cooking "
Post by doblejota83 on Mar 12, 2006 8:26:18 GMT -5
melikecheese said:
Malkmus is not touring with the silver jews. It will still be a good show.
Malkmus isn't touring this summer at all because he doesnt have a drummer at this point. The only shows he and the Jicks are going to play so far is the Matador showcase at SXSW and Bonnaroo.
a quote from the website "there was a tour planned , now it is dust, cant find the right drummer . ill let you know when more gigs, new album are cooking "
is the jicks do not have a drummer what does that have anything to do with malkmus not touring with the jews, i mean i will believe that he is not touring with them..... but it would not be because the jicks dont have a drummer
Post by placidcasual79 on Mar 12, 2006 11:46:17 GMT -5
this thread is pretty hilarious. anyway, not sure if this has been completely determined, but the current joos tour will be w/out malkmus for sure. I cant wait to see them in Ann Arbor, MI.
Post by melikecheese on Mar 12, 2006 15:23:33 GMT -5
I just added that malkmus was not touring at all. I was not connecting the fact that he is not touring with the silver jews to the fact that he is not drumming. They have nothing to do with each other man
NOTE - The jicks are playing at the CMJ fest in cleveland at the wonderful beachland ballroom. They are set for June 9th. I'm going to see them 2 weekends in a row. I must have been a good boy this year.
So, no. He is not touring with the Jews.
