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Post by gogogajoob on Dec 11, 2007 11:24:22 GMT -5
Hey - not sure if anyone else has already posted this, but in yesterday's Lefsetz letter he talked a little more about the email he printed that got all this zeppelin/metallica stuff going last week. Here's what he had to say:
"All my sources tell me there's going to be a tour. No one will CONFIRM a tour, but it's a well-known fact that they're going to go on the road. As for Ashley Capps and Bonnaroo...when he contacted me to correct that e-mail I printed, saying it was false, I replied that I would if he guaranteed in writing that Zeppelin absolutely wouldn't play Bonnaroo. I got no response."
In case you don't know, Ashley Capps is the founder of AC Entertainment (hence the AC). So it is interesting to hear that he refuses to deny the Zeppelin potential for 08.
Post by steveternal on Dec 11, 2007 12:29:28 GMT -5
attornaroo said:
Yea, a lawyer knows a con job when he sees one, and the word "inaccurate" is a weaselly con word.
I'm about to go Anthony Smith on this board and guarantee Zeppelin at Bonnaroo 2008.
I absolutely agree with your logic, but there is still the possibility that he's leaving that wiggle room-- saying "inaccurate", not wanting to definitively declare no Zep-- simply to create the illusion that there's a chance, and then so buzz will continue and tickets will sell a little better. I just want to put that out there.
Post by HoodooOperator on Dec 11, 2007 12:36:31 GMT -5
I wonder if the "inaccurate" statement, is there because it is all dependent on how the band feels about last night. They might have been like "we'll do Bonnaroo, IF we decide to tour" and left it at that.
edit: I do believe though, we may hear something regarding a tour in the next week or two, EVERYONE in the world wants to know if it is going to happen. And you can only answer "maybe" so many times...
Yea, a lawyer knows a con job when he sees one, and the word "inaccurate" is a weaselly con word.
I'm about to go Anthony Smith on this board and guarantee Zeppelin at Bonnaroo 2008.
I absolutely agree with your logic, but there is still the possibility that he's leaving that wiggle room-- saying "inaccurate", not wanting to definitively declare no Zep-- simply to create the illusion that there's a chance, and then so buzz will continue and tickets will sell a little better. I just want to put that out there.
Saying all of that wouldn't help ticket sales at all if there is no Zep. Tickets don't go on sale until after the initial lineup is announced, and if Zep is not on that initial bill after all the speculation and rumors that have been going on, honestly it may actually hurt the sales. So I disagree with that comment.
well, you ask me why i'm drunk all the time it levels my head and eases my mind i just walk along and stroll and sing i see better days and i do better things
im going to go with attornaroo and guarantee Led Zeppelin will be at bonnaroo. JPJ LOVED it last year and sat in with numerous people. as did stewart copeland two years ago with oysterhead which led to the whole police thing. AND to top it off now a tennessee newspaper is saying robert plant will be there with Allison Krauss..."history repeats itself" and i will be seeing Led Zeppelin saturday june 14th at roo.
Post by steveternal on Dec 11, 2007 17:37:55 GMT -5
nola said:
steveternal said:
I absolutely agree with your logic, but there is still the possibility that he's leaving that wiggle room-- saying "inaccurate", not wanting to definitively declare no Zep-- simply to create the illusion that there's a chance, and then so buzz will continue and tickets will sell a little better. I just want to put that out there.
Saying all of that wouldn't help ticket sales at all if there is no Zep. Tickets don't go on sale until after the initial lineup is announced, and if Zep is not on that initial bill after all the speculation and rumors that have been going on, honestly it may actually hurt the sales. So I disagree with that comment.
Not true. 1) There will be people who attend the fest without Zep, because they discovered the fest when they heard the Zep rumor, and 2) some may still buy a ticket with the thought that Zep may get added later. I'm not saying this alleged ploy on the part of AC will result in a huge amount of sales and such, but it will most certainly only help, and that's why he wouldn't come out and clearly state what very well may be true: that Led Zeppelin will not be at Bonnaroo in 2008.
Another thought: if Zep is indeed planning on touring in '09 and not '08, perhaps they're being tapped for that summer instead, which would also be a reason for AC not to say anything too definitive yet.
Post by BrokenLight on Dec 11, 2007 17:53:26 GMT -5
great comment about zep possibly at roo in 09, never thought of that...and i thought of something else...we've been hearing robert plant and alison krauss will both be there this year...that doesn't necessarily mean they will play together or headline...so i was thinking maybe alison could play with union station in the day...maybe robert plant could headline with her...or...maybe it means robert plant will be there with led fucking zeppelin...
Post by strumntheguitar on Dec 11, 2007 18:03:30 GMT -5
sinkfloridasink said:
man, i really hope that they play it, but are one of the artist additions. i want to actually have a ticket!
Hmm... I don't think Led Zeppelin is the kind of band that is a late addition. If they play Roo, they will absolutely hands down NEED to play at the main stage, and when nobody else is playing because it'd be unfair for another band to have to "compete" with Led Zeppelin.
Just think about the situation...
"Hmm... should I go see Spoon or Led Zeppelin today?"
A headliner spot is the only feasible spot for them to play, and headliners are announced upon first lineup release. If they didn't announce all the headliners immediately, everyone would know who the last one would be anyways so it wouldn't do any good.
Post by sinkfloridasink on Dec 11, 2007 18:07:36 GMT -5
it just doesn't seem likely that bonnaroo would do that...the atmosphere of the festival (which is one thing it is well known for) would change fairly drastically with an act like zeppelin.
i doubt they'd do it as an addition either, but it wouldn't really be in roos best interest to do it the other way, i think.
well, you ask me why i'm drunk all the time it levels my head and eases my mind i just walk along and stroll and sing i see better days and i do better things
Post by mulcherry0420 on Dec 11, 2007 18:14:13 GMT -5
unless Metallica is really playing too. Or worse, Metallica w/ no Led Zeppelin.
I'm all down for Metallica;
May 1st 2004 Set list Cincinnati OH; Ecstasy of Gold Blackened Fuel Seek & Destroy Guitar Doodle Fade to Black Frantic King Nothing No Leaf Clover St. Anger Sad But True Creeping Death Battery I Disappear Guitar Doodle (Melbourne) Nothing Else Matters Master of Puppets One Enter Sandman The Frayed Ends of Sanity Jam Am I Evil? Metal Militia
The setlist is a little mixed up, because I know for sure they opened with blackened. But those are the songs they played, just not in the right order EDIT if anyone has this show or anything..you can hear our group
chanting for "dyers eve"...and we were at the very top of the venue. Nosebleeeeds
I thought it was an awesome show.
I'm not saying there couldnt be better headliners. But I'm keeping my mouth shut for the chance to see Stairway
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Post by drbrainfreeze on Dec 11, 2007 18:15:16 GMT -5
2 quick things
1) What is Zeppelin is planning an '09 tour but still play Roo in '08...sought of like a huge warm-up to a long tour which will require a ton of planning.
2) Is Krauss/Plant big enough to headline? I can see them as a pre-headliner..but not a headliner..right? And of course superjam with Plant will be nuts.
Don't get me wrong I fcking adore me some Zep... But I wan't to attend bonnaroo not Zeparoo.... I don't they would kill roo (frankly i don't think that is possible with any1 band.)
Post by strumntheguitar on Dec 11, 2007 19:26:31 GMT -5
juggernaut said:
strumntheguitar said:
A headliner spot is the only feasible spot for them to play, and headliners are announced upon first lineup release. If they didn't announce all the headliners immediately, everyone would know who the last one would be anyways so it wouldn't do any good.
In 2003, they announced Neil Young, who was a headliner, in an artist addition. So there is in fact, precedent.
On the subject as a whole, I won't totally discount the possibility...however, I will also say that after his "guarantee" from an "anonymous source" that both Zeppelin and Metallica were playing Bonnaroo (which was then subesequently debunked, first by Metallica's management, then by Superfly), that ANYTHING this "industry insider" Lefsetz says be should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt. He strikes me as a complete tool.
Really? That's interesting, I didn't know that... Thanks for correcting me, I suppose I should have done a bit of investigation before making the comment.
And I completely agree, I'm not making plans to see Zeppelin until Superfly tells me I should
Post by lordrockinhood on Dec 11, 2007 19:43:41 GMT -5
strumntheguitar said:
Hmm... should I go see Spoon or Led Zeppelin today?
I'm eating a turkey and munster on a bagel right now... I was taking a bite just as I got to this post, and I came this close to suddenly spewing it across my computer
I'm still laughing at the scenario, probably will be until it actually comes into play one day
*edit* Spoon would probably be thinking the same exact thing at the same exact moment though
Post by gogogajoob on Dec 11, 2007 20:31:16 GMT -5
Man, i really don't think bonnaroo would change much at all if zeppelin headlines, i mean everyone said the police would attract the wrong crowd and did they? not at all.
If zep headlines it wont be their only gig, they'll be doing a whole tour, and those hardcore zeppelin fans will be buying tickets for a gig where they can have a reserved spot and don't have to stand i a big muddy field to see their one favorite band.
Oh and i would be the first person to defend Lefsetz, but come on, at least know a little bit about the guy before you call him a tool. If you want to know more about him, there's a good interview here: www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=1467
There is no way Zep would not be in the initial artist lineup. They will be the center piece that the festival will be built around this year. I do not think that the announcment of Zep at Roo will cause a frenzy for tickets especially if there is a tour to go along with an appearance at the roo. Bonnaroo is a massive undertaking to see just one band. I don't think you will see to many casual fans making a 5 to 6 day commitment to come to Manchester to see Zep. As long as you don't dilly dally in buying your tickets I think anyone who initially wants a ticket to Roo will get a ticket to the Roo.
Post by strumntheguitar on Dec 12, 2007 10:13:33 GMT -5
^^So you lost 23 karma points in a day? Sounds like something more than just one post to me... perhaps a mad smiter revival?? I dunno, I gave you karma after you corrected me... here's summore
In 2003, they announced Neil Young, who was a headliner, in an artist addition. So there is in fact, precedent.
On the subject as a whole, I won't totally discount the possibility...however, I will also say that after his "guarantee" from an "anonymous source" that both Zeppelin and Metallica were playing Bonnaroo (which was then subesequently debunked, first by Metallica's management, then by Superfly), that ANYTHING this "industry insider" Lefsetz says be should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt. He strikes me as a complete tool.
How the hell did I lose karma for this? I was at +21 when I put this up yesterday, and I haven't posted a damn thing since!
Wow.. If thats the case , I would say You Pissed someone off..... Who , why , or whatnot. I have no clue .
'Roo is not going to deny LZ much like they wouldn't deny Phish or the Dead. Not because they aren't playing, or because they are playing - but because they want to have all the cards on the table. So what do you expect them to do? Confirm the main headliner 2 months before the initial artist release? Or worse, deny they are playing so people start looking at other festies where LZ might be playing?
Just relax folks, all will be revealed at the end of Januaury...
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