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Post by BonnarooDetective on Feb 11, 2008 10:27:49 GMT -5
creativeunderclass said:
trustme said:
I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? Kanye West grew up in the suburbs, his family had plenty of money. He isn't one of the "ghetto" stories like so many other rappers. He had more than enough money to go to a pretty high end art school, and then flunked his way out (or as he claims, "decided he was finished"). The point is, he did have it easy all along. His parents divorced when he was young (which I'm sure isn't easy, but it happens to millions of kids in the suburbs), but his family was still relatively affluent. This isn't Biggie, who really did grow up on the streets and in relative poverty. This is Kanye West, a man who has completely rearranged his image to fit what he thinks people want him to be.
This isn't a full disagreement since a lot of your argument is correct, just a few things I'd like to elaborate on. Yes, Biggie is truly from poverty, but that doesn't mean being broke are the only struggles you can bring to your music.
Here are a few choice lyrics that I think sum up a lot of the really relatable themes in Kanye's music.
Despite not being dirt poor growing up, he really did strike out on his own and bust his ass to make it as big as he did. And regardless where you come from, you can still appreciate where you've gotten to.
"I don’t know I just wanted better for my kids And I ain’t sayin’ we was from the projects"
I won't write an entire biography, but a lot of elements of his music are emotional and understandable if you take the time to invest yourself in them. Besides the struggle to keep your faith and be proud of it while being successful and told to keep it out of the limelight, there's always the fact that despite his family's relative wealth, he was so dedicated to his art that he left his girlfriend at the time to pursue his career, and drove across the country with all his belongings.
Also worth mentioning he was on life support after his near-fatal car accident and had to bust his ass to get his career and life back on track, two things he didn't even know if he'd have again.
you'd think that he'd be a little more humble though, catching break after break of his life... but i know it's easy to be as cocky as he is when the whole world, the grammy voters, his fans and entourage are telling him how great he is. That being said...
Post by CreativeUnderclass on Feb 11, 2008 10:44:10 GMT -5
asdoye111 said:
you'd think that he'd be a little more humble though, catching break after break of his life... but i know it's easy to be as cocky as he is when the whole world, the grammy voters, his fans and entourage are telling him how great he is. That being said...
Kanye's Great!
you'd think so at least. While there is definitely a degree of self-interest(okay, more than a degree), I chalk a lot of it up to entertainment value. I have no doubt his arrogance act contributes pretty positively to his newsworthiness, marketability, and sales. I couldn't see him being the showman that he is if he was meek and humble.
After seeing the Grammy performance, I know two things: a.) I will probably be seeing him now b.) he will most likely be latenight on the Which Stage. Reason being? He has a new "glow-in-the-dark" tour that he debuted last night with the glasses and jacket. There is no reason Superfly would not seize an opportunity for a great visual show
Post by jayfiedler on Feb 11, 2008 11:35:07 GMT -5
Wow. I just watched that performance on YouTube and I CANNOT wait to see Kanye live. He is definitely capitalizing on Daft Punk's Pyramid tour last year by having such a visually stimulating show, and it looks baller.
you'd think that he'd be a little more humble though, catching break after break of his life... but i know it's easy to be as cocky as he is when the whole world, the grammy voters, his fans and entourage are telling him how great he is. That being said...
Kanye's Great!
you'd think so at least. While there is definitely a degree of self-interest(okay, more than a degree), I chalk a lot of it up to entertainment value. I have no doubt his arrogance act contributes pretty positively to his newsworthiness, marketability, and sales. I couldn't see him being the showman that he is if he was meek and humble.
ya i mean, he was on entourage and he seemed meek compared to those cocky actors... :-) maybe it was because he was kind of out of his element
How many people have heard stories about musicians, actors and other celebs who seem sweet and humble on camera, end up being total jerks when the cameras are off? LOTS.
Honestly, Kanye hit the scene and blew up so fast and so hard. It must be the most ridiculous trip for him. He's saying out loud what lots of others probably only say to their spouses, publicists, agents and limo drivers.
As for selling out... gosh think of so many previous Bonnaroo artists (and others we wished would be there) who have used their songs for everything from iPods to Weight Watchers to University of Phoenix to any auto maker on the planet.
Happy Monday everyone! I missed the Grammys... after this thread I wish I hadn't! ;D
Post by experiencehaze on Feb 11, 2008 12:12:49 GMT -5
lakai2788 said:
I dont think the problem is Kanye sucking live i think its more a problem of most hip hop sucking live aside from the Roots, Erykah Badu and a tribe called quest
AMEN!
and am I the only person that has no idea what this dior clothing is? It sounds like a fückin' cologne.
"I want you to notice When I'm not around You're so fücking special I wish I was special But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doing here? I don't belong here" -Radiohead
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Benjamin Franklin
Post by CreativeUnderclass on Feb 11, 2008 12:13:08 GMT -5
stuckinabeat said:
Ok everyone im sorry. Im sorry for say that bonnaroo sold out. Maybe they didnt Sell Out, but they certainly lost there values.
I won't even get started on the infuriating grammar of this message.
That said, I'll leave you to decide for yourself if Bonnaroo sold out, but I think you need some background. Here is the commonly accepted definition for selling out: To comprise one's moral or ethical beliefs for monetary or other compensation.
For example: An outspoken vegetarian becoming the spokesperson for McDonalds
Post by CreativeUnderclass on Feb 11, 2008 12:50:16 GMT -5
stuckinabeat said:
sorta like a great music festival that once stood for something good, only caring about money?
No, not sort of like that. Remember the part about moral or ethical beliefs? You need to articulate what those beliefs were/how they were stated, and in what way they were compromised. And if you think Bonnaroo, which is at the end of the day A BUSINESS VENTURE is not concerned about making money above all, you are insane.
