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Post by keithk1055 on Apr 21, 2006 15:19:32 GMT -5
wtf is up with gas??? it jumped like 80 cents overnight. man i hope we dont have a spike like this on roo weekend. ive budgeted pretty tight and an extra hundered in gas would suck arse. i see on the news where some places in the north east are running out of gas. i wish i had a horse and i could just turn roo into a 3 month adventure to get there and back
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 21, 2006 16:22:11 GMT -5
well atleast it didnt go up that much but damn you guys are paying some high prices all the time.. this is the first time ive seen it go over 3 up here and it was 240 like a week ago
Post by melikecheese on Apr 21, 2006 16:38:38 GMT -5
it jumped so much because barrels jumped to a high today, something around $75. Now you get the people who freak out and buy like 50 gallons to stock up and then the pumps run out and then people panic. I saw it around my home area last time when gas hit a record high and the news media had fun with it. I just needed gas and had to go to 4 different places before I could get regular. Gas makes me laugh....until it cost 30 bucks to fill my tank.
Time to break out the ol bicycle, cause this sh!t's gettin outrageous. I just like the excuses that they give. Oh there's a shortage in a tiny village in Nigeria. The spigot broke. It's the unusually cold weather. It's the unusually warm weather. It's Iran fears. We just want your money, and there's nothing you can do about it. I'm thinking we could be looking at 4 dollars a gallon, this summer, if we get any hurricanes hitting the gulf coast again, god forbid.
Our crew was thinking about taking an RV down to Roo, but at 7 miles a gallon that's gonna be a little pricey.
I hope they are able to find an alternative fuel that will work for the US this time. Some of the older people on this board may remember back in the '70s when they started promoting Ethanol. Ethanol is the same thing Willie is trying to promote now but they don't use the "Ethanol" word because Ethanol failed in the '70s as it cost more to produce than gas. It still costs more to produce than gas.
The US has more than enough oil/gas within it's own land to supply the US for decades possibly centuries to come; however, the oil and gas companies are limited by the government as to the lands that can be drilled. It seems to be a big game of politics to hike up the prices. I will not disagree with those who say oil and gas companies are profitting, but if we could get all of our fuel here at home rather than from other countries overseas, the costs to the consumer would be reduced. Would we be at war with Iraq then? How about our threats against China and Iran? The production of our own oil and gas would be much more efficient and cost effective than even Ethanol, if the O&G companies were allowed to produce it.
Last month several of the large oil and gas companies, including the one I work for, had meetings with Bush to discuss releasing the US lands for production. As far as I know, nothing has been decided.
Something has to change. People cannot survive on the current minimum wage and the rising cost of gas will ultimately turn the whole lower and middle class on its ass.
Ugh, this impending gloom and doom talk makes me want to slit my wrist. I'm going to leave this discussion here and listen to some Blues Traveler and think about Roo now...
Post by papageorgio on Apr 22, 2006 13:58:36 GMT -5
ADM big ethanol among other things producer (making plastic out of corn)If your into the stock market check it out slow steady increase all the time.It is not as xpensive to produce ethanol as they would make you believe .Why hasnt the auto industry found better alternative methods?I dont believe drilling in alaska is the answer. Lets preserve nature!However using Micky D'S fry oil is interesting.I thinf ford is the only american auto company currently selling a hybred and they buy the technology from I believe toyota.(could be wrong) any way ADM was at 30 a share a month ago at about 37 or 38 now.And Dude wheres my roo your ass is gonna be pretty sore riding a horse from Mi to tennesee
Post by keithk1055 on Apr 22, 2006 14:06:50 GMT -5
diesle engines can run on hemp oil with out modification. they need some tuning for optimal performance but will run on it as is. they can also make paper out of hemp. every acre of hemp produces almost as much paper as an acre of trees and is renewable several times a year as opposed to taking 80 years like a tree. compressed hemp fiberboard is stronger and lasts longer then traditonal wood and can also be renewed several times a year. but hey there is no money in a weed that grows everywhere. same thing with ethanol. its sad but as long as there is oil they will stiffle all other sources of energy in the name of profits
Post by Lucid Interval on Apr 23, 2006 0:42:52 GMT -5
Yah its pretty funny how we dont actually need gas or oil but we're so dependant on it just because of the economy and the importance that we think it holds....
The thing is we could all be poor and still lead happy, healthy and fulfilling lives we just cant beleive it because we're so spoiled and pampered as citizens of this "great" nation...
America has ALOT going for it as a country, we have great opportunities and freedoms that many other people dont... But at the same time we're not all that we're cracked up to be and no matter how successfull we are economically, we're lacking in alot of more important areas as a nation,as a community and as people....
Post by papageorgio on Apr 24, 2006 20:16:46 GMT -5
Brazil dropped another oil rig in the ocean and is now oil dependent
Was watching cnn last night and they had a story on Brazil. They make ethanol from sugar cane.almost all their cars are flex cars(hope i got name right) anyway there cars will run on 100% ethanol or a mixture.Why dont we do that? The only good thing that might come of these high gas prices is maybe its the catalyst for change.
Going a Short Way to Make a Point By Dana Milbank Thursday, April 27, 2006; A02
Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines.
Gas prices have gone above $3 a gallon again, and that means it's time for another round of congressional finger-pointing.
"Since George Bush and Dick Cheney took over as president and vice president, gas prices have doubled!" charged Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), standing at an Exxon station on Capitol Hill where regular unleaded hit $3.10. "They are too cozy with the oil industry."
She then hopped in a waiting Chrysler LHS (18 mpg) -- even though her Senate office was only a block away.
Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) used a Hyundai Elantra to take the one-block journey to and from the gas-station news conference. He posed in front of the fuel prices and gave them a thumbs-down. "Get tough on big oil!" he demanded of the Bush administration.
By comparison, Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) was a model of conservation. She told a staffer idling in a Jetta to leave without her, then ducked into a sushi restaurant for lunch before making the journey back to work.
At about the same time, House Republicans were meeting in the Capitol for their weekly caucus (Topic A: gas). The House driveway was jammed with cars, many idling, including eight Chevrolet Suburbans (14 mpg).
America may be addicted to oil, as President Bush puts it. But America is in the denial phase of this addiction -- as evidenced by the behavior of its lawmakers. They have proposed all kinds of solutions to high gas prices: taxes on oil companies, domestic oil drilling and releasing petroleum reserves. But they ignore the obvious: that Americans drive too much in too-big cars.
Senators were debating a war spending bill yesterday, but the subject invariably turned to gas prices. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) engaged his deputy, Dick Durbin (Ill.), in a riveting colloquy. "Is the senator aware that the L.A. Times headline reads today, 'Bush's Proposals Viewed as a Drop in the Bucket'?"
"I'm aware of that," Durbin replied.
Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.) responded with an economics lesson. "Oil is worth what people pay for it," he argued.
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) sounded the alarms. "We are one accident or one terrorist attack away from oil at $100 a barrel!"
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) made a plea for conservation. "We have to move quickly to increase our fuel efficiency," she urged.
But not too quickly. After lunchtime votes, senators emerged from the Capitol for the drive across the street to their offices.
Sen. John Sununu (R-N.H.) hopped in a GMC Yukon (14 mpg). Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) climbed aboard a Nissan Pathfinder (15). Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) stepped into an eight-cylinder Ford Explorer (14). Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) disappeared into a Lincoln Town Car (17). Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) met up with an idling Chrysler minivan (18).
Next came Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), greeted by a Ford Explorer XLT. On the Senate floor Tuesday, Menendez had complained that Bush "remains opposed to higher fuel-efficiency standards."
Also waiting: three Suburbans, a Nissan Armada V8, two Cadillacs and a Lexus. The greenest senator was Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), who was picked up by his hybrid Toyota Prius (60 mpg), at quadruple the fuel efficiency of his Indiana counterpart Evan Bayh (D), who was met by a Dodge Durango V8 (14).
As a political matter, Democrats clearly sense that they have the advantage on the high gas prices, judging from the number of speeches and news conferences. "The cost of Republican corruption when it comes to energy is hitting home very clearly for America's middle class," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) exulted yesterday morning.
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) introduced an amendment to repeal oil-company tax breaks and distribute $500 tax rebates to consumers. It was quickly ruled out of order.
But Republicans were clearly feeling defensive. "We passed an energy bill last year, last July," House Speaker Dennis Hastert (Ill.) pleaded at a morning news conference. "It changes CAFE [corporate average fuel economy] standards. It changes some of the things that we can do -- I'm sorry, changes not the CAFE standards, but changes some of the supply issues, boutique fuels, all these things."
Only Sen. Mark Dayton (D-Minn.), who can speak freely because he is retiring, was willing to note the disconnect between rhetoric and action. "People say, understandably, 'Solve our energy problems right now, but don't make us do anything differently,' " he said on the Senate floor.
If the politics of gasoline favor Democrats at the moment, the insincerity is universal. A surreptitious look at the cars in the senators-only spots inside and outside the Senate office buildings found an Escort and a Sentra (super-rich Wisconsin Democrat Herb Kohl's spot had a Chevy Lumina), but far more Jaguars, Cadillacs and Lexuses and a fleet of SUVs made by Ford, Honda, BMW and Lexus.
A sampling of senators' and staff cars parked along Delaware Avenue NE found that those displaying Democratic campaign bumper stickers had a somewhat higher average fuel economy (23 mpg) than those displaying GOP stickers (18 mpg). A fuel-efficiency rating could not be found for the 1970s-era Volkswagen "Thing" owned by Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.).
Maybe, lawmakers are starting to learn. When GOP senators had a lunch Tuesday a couple of blocks from the Capitol, many took cars. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) emerged from the lunch looking for his ride when he spied The Washington Post's Shailagh Murray. Reconsidering, he set out on foot. "I need the exercise," he reasoned.
