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Post by poopzilla33 on Apr 24, 2007 14:11:31 GMT -5
wow this thread got really angry. i'm still on your side baj, imo that was a douchebag thing to do on his side. if he hadn't been so selfish he would've drunk in moderation/not at all
I knew that I could handle the mix of the two (but I won't be doing it again) so that's why I did it that night.
He had one good night of the mix of the two and thought he could do it again, so that's why he did it Sunday night. He just did too much of the booze this time.
I disagree with your statement that we're both at fault, though. This is 100% his fault. He's an adult, he knows what he can and cannot do. He knows it's his fault as well. He has that shiner to remind him.
how is it his fault that he had an adverse reaction to a drug. i dont think he took it with the intent of doing the things he did.
once again, im sorry im fighting you soo hard on this, but i dont think your looking at it right and too many ppl on this board are quick to just try and make someone feel better instead of giving out real advice.
you and i are on the same page. 2 sides to every story. multiple substance, multiple drinks, multiple emotions, multiple people = multiple outcomes
Most people should know by now that Xannax is the devil, more addictive properties than cocaine I believe. I've seen Xannax ruin so many lives (mine included) that it's not even funny. I say to you all, do not f**k with Xannax, nothing good will come of it.
Edit: If that came off rather snooty, It's cuz I'm passionate about the subject, and don't mean to offend anyone who takes it (whether it be prescription or recreationaly).
Post by sparklybecca on Apr 24, 2007 14:16:03 GMT -5
mothersky said:
All I have to say is this:
Most people should know by now that Xannax is the devil, more addictive properties than cocaine I believe. I've seen Xannax ruin so many lives (mine included) that it's not even funny. I say to you all, do not f**k with Xannax, nothing good will come of it.
I take Xanax, it is prescribed to me by my dr. for anxiety, and I dont abuse it. If taken responsibly there is no issue with it.
you and i are on the same page. 2 sides to every story. multiple substance, multiple drinks, multiple emotions, multiple people = multiple outcomes
There aren't 2 sides to this story, though. How can anyone blame me for the way he behaved? How can any of you tell me I'm partially to blame for what happened?
Last Edit: Apr 24, 2007 14:17:09 GMT -5 by baj - Back to Top
This really shouldn't be a discussion of the little blue pills and what they do. That's not the point. The point is that everyone of us is responsible for our own self. She went out of her way to help him once he f*cked up, but left the ultimate decision about what he wanted to do, up to him. That's the way it should be, but only so many times.
This really shouldn't be a discussion of the little blue pills and what they do. That's not the point. The point is that everyone of us is responsible for our own self. She went out of her way to help him once he f*cked up, but left the ultimate decision about what he wanted to do, up to him. That's the way it should be, but only so many times.
Thank you, Danbird and poopzilla (god, your name is fun to type, poop)!
you and i are on the same page. 2 sides to every story. multiple substance, multiple drinks, multiple emotions, multiple people = multiple outcomes
There aren't 2 sides to this story, though. How can anyone blame me for the way he behaved? How can any of you tell me I'm partially to blame for what happened?
i am not totally blaming you. HE NEEDED HELP! and you decided that he was a big boy an didn't need any. he should've known?? well obviously he didn't know
Post by poopzilla33 on Apr 24, 2007 14:25:04 GMT -5
baj said:
danbird said:
This really shouldn't be a discussion of the little blue pills and what they do. That's not the point. The point is that everyone of us is responsible for our own self. She went out of her way to help him once he f*cked up, but left the ultimate decision about what he wanted to do, up to him. That's the way it should be, but only so many times.
Thank you, Danbird and poopzilla (god, your name is fun to type, poop)!
There aren't 2 sides to this story, though. How can anyone blame me for the way he behaved? How can any of you tell me I'm partially to blame for what happened?
i am not totally blaming you. HE NEEDED HELP! and you decided that he was a big boy an didn't need any. he should've known?? well obviously he didn't know
Well, thank you for not TOTALLY blaming me.
Next time I do something stupid, I'll be sure to blame someone else because they didn't stop me.
And yes, he should have known...he reacted badly once before.
Post by poopzilla33 on Apr 24, 2007 14:30:11 GMT -5
imo the problem is that he was selfish enough to potentialy sacrifice your night (a person he's been dating for 3.5 years!) to have a good time himself, even though he knew his body couldn't ahndle it
SO SHOULD YOU HAVE!!! THATS MY F'ING POINT! HE NEEDED HELP!!!
i really hope you and your guy work it out. and i really hope you see my side of the arguement. please go back and read my posts again. i hope you get it.
SO SHOULD YOU HAVE!!! THATS MY F'ING POINT! HE NEEDED HELP!!!
i really hope you and your guy work it out. and i really hope you see my side of the arguement. please go back and read my posts again. i hope you get it.
it looks to me that your not getting it. she understands what your saying and shes saying your wrong.
the only thing that i see that was her fault was hanging around when he started being mean. and if it happens again id say it would be her fault for being around him while he did it again.
Last Edit: Apr 24, 2007 14:47:48 GMT -5 by Dude - Back to Top
SO SHOULD YOU HAVE!!! THATS MY F'ING POINT! HE NEEDED HELP!!!
i really hope you and your guy work it out. and i really hope you see my side of the arguement. please go back and read my posts again. i hope you get it.
He did get help. He got help when I dragged him out of the venue. He got help when the man helped us cross the street. He got help when he fell on the floor and needed to get out of the urine-soaked clothing. He got help when he needed to pee and I held his d*ck in a cup for him. He got help when he pissed the bed and didn't have to sleep in a wet spot all night because I got towels for him to sleep on. He got help when I made an ice-pack the next morning for his eye.
I just don't understand how any of you can tell me that I should have known this would happen. It happened 2 out of 3 times (1 out of 2 at the time) and if he says he thinks he can do it, I will believe him. Now I won't believe him.
I don't think you or that John guy are getting my point here. He knew he had the potential to react badly, yet he still chose to take them with the alcohol. HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THEM REGARDLESS IF I SAID NO OR NOT. What about that do you not understand?
Last Edit: Apr 24, 2007 14:45:40 GMT -5 by baj - Back to Top
it looks to me that your not getting it. she understands what your saying and shes saying your wrong.
the only thing that i see that was her fault was hanging around when he started being mean. and if it happens again id say it would be her fault for being around him while he did it again.
I left the room after he was being mean...of course by that point, he was about 30 seconds to passing out. He started to be mean, I put him to bed, and left the room. That part happened in about 3 minutes of each other.
Oh, and believe me, this WILL NOT happen again.
Last Edit: Apr 24, 2007 14:47:32 GMT -5 by baj - Back to Top
I am largely agreeable to the notion that everyone must learn and respect his/her own formula. HOWEVER, there is an undeniable physicality that goes along with mixing booze and pharmies. Anyone who has abused Xanax recreationally can tell you of the blackouts. They are more common to xanax than most pills. Both alcohol AND pharmaceuticals put a hefty burden onto the liver. Things like the amount of food in your stomach weigh in, but a weekend of drinking and pillpopping is sure to have a cumulative effect on one's body. The reason is that the liver can only process so much in a given period of time. NO ONE, no matter how well they know and respect their own limits, can escape eventually being overtaken by the effects of the alcohol, once the liver is burdened with several days worth of partying like that. That's why the asshole whiskeydrunk was in full effect that night. Chalk the not remembering up to mostly the xanax.
You were a good person to help in this situation. You will be an enabler if you stick by him if he continues the cycle. Going back to a formula that has caused him(and you) such embarrassment, will signify early stages of addiction.
Another sign that he is taxing his liver something fierce will be the nastiest farts in the world. That is a sure sign that the poison/toxins are not being gotten rid of quick enough. Back in the day, my wife used to call me "drunken-pill boy" once witnessing the room clearing farts that a weekend like that will produce.
Hopefully, the both of you will realize that you are playing with fire before you do irreversible damage to yourselves. We wanna see you both at Rooo 10 years from now with a formula that allows your good times to be something to look forward to rather than something you try to remember. Unfortunately, most people need to learn it for themselves. And I have a few dear departed friends that never learned the lesson in time.
I don't think you are at fault at all - I agree with your statement that he is a grown man and should not have to have his gf telling him what to do. I know in my husband's case - if I told him that he should not drink anymore Jager - he would prolly do it anyway - and I would do just what you did - I would help him as much as I could and the next day - when he was all hung over and stuff - I would be pissed and find the humor in it also - after all he did it to himself.
I am sorry that you missed the show because he acted like an ass, I am sorry that he was mean to you and pissed on himself and in the bed, I am sorry he ended up with a black eye - hopefully he learned from this and won't do it again.
Post by poopzilla33 on Apr 24, 2007 14:52:02 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
thejizzo said:
SO SHOULD YOU HAVE!!! THATS MY F'ING POINT! HE NEEDED HELP!!!
i really hope you and your guy work it out. and i really hope you see my side of the arguement. please go back and read my posts again. i hope you get it.
it looks to me that your not getting it. she understands what your saying and shes saying your wrong.
the only thing that i see that was her fault was hanging around when he started being mean. and if it happens again id say it would be her fault for being around him while he did it again.
i am not totally blaming you. HE NEEDED HELP! and you decided that he was a big boy an didn't need any. he should've known?? well obviously he didn't know
Well, thank you for not TOTALLY blaming me.
Next time I do something stupid, I'll be sure to blame someone else because they didn't stop me.
And yes, he should have known...he reacted badly once before.
NOONE is saying its your fault.
and if you didnt want opinions why post this? you asked the question. it seems to me like no matter what anyone said that you were gunna feel the same way on the subject.
ive dated an addict b4, not saying ur bf is an addict, but you really need to be understanding with them. DRUQS change the way your brain works.
and whether you know your "limits" or not, you took a druq that your not prescribed to for recreational purposes, as did he, you were both abusing it and it just happend to work out that he was the one that got overboard with the drinking. who knows, if you took 1 more shot mabey you would of been in the same boat he was in.
im not poo pooing illicit druq use, trust me. but if im hanging out with a friend who i know has acted adversly to something like that b4, sure i cant MAKE him not do it, but i can say "hey man, mabey you should rethink that because of what happened last time......." you know the kind of think youd say to someone you cared about.
I am largely agreeable to the notion that everyone must learn and respect his/her own formula. HOWEVER, there is an undeniable physicality that goes along with mixing booze and pharmies. Anyone who has abused Xanax recreationally can tell you of the blackouts. They are more common to xanax than most pills. Both alcohol AND pharmaceuticals put a hefty burden onto the liver. Things like the amount of food in your stomach weigh in, but a weekend of drinking and pillpopping is sure to have a cumulative effect on one's body. The reason is that the liver can only process so much in a given period of time. NO ONE, no matter how well they know and respect their own limits, can escape eventually being overtaken by the effects of the alcohol, once the liver is burdened with several days worth of partying like that. That's why the not a very nice person whiskeydrunk was in full effect that night. Chalk the not remembering up to mostly the xanax.
You were a good person to help in this situation. You will be an enabler if you stick by him if he continues the cycle. Going back to a formula that has caused him(and you) such embarrassment, will signify early stages of addiction.
Another sign that he is taxing his liver something fierce will be the nastiest farts in the world. That is a sure sign that the poison/toxins are not being gotten rid of quick enough. Back in the day, my wife used to call me "drunken-pill boy" once witnessing the room clearing farts that a weekend like that will produce.
Hopefully, the both of you will realize that you are playing with fire before you do irreversible damage to yourselves. We wanna see you both at Rooo 10 years from now with a formula that allows your good times to be something to look forward to rather than something you try to remember. Unfortunately, most people need to learn it for themselves. And I have a few dear departed friends that never learned the lesson in time.
Thanks everybody.
Tonight I'm going home and flushing the remaining ones down the toilet. No more of this crap!
This time he will do what I say...he'll have to because there won't be anymore!
Next time I do something stupid, I'll be sure to blame someone else because they didn't stop me.
And yes, he should have known...he reacted badly once before.
NOONE is saying its your fault.
and if you didnt want opinions why post this? you asked the question. it seems to me like no matter what anyone said that you were gunna feel the same way on the subject.
ive dated an addict b4, not saying ur bf is an addict, but you really need to be understanding with them. DRUQS change the way your brain works.
and whether you know your "limits" or not, you took a druq that your not prescribed to for recreational purposes, as did he, you were both abusing it and it just happend to work out that he was the one that got overboard with the drinking. who knows, if you took 1 more shot mabey you would of been in the same boat he was in.
im not poo pooing illicit druq use, trust me. but if im hanging out with a friend who i know has acted adversly to something like that b4, sure i cant MAKE him not do it, but i can say "hey man, mabey you should rethink that because of what happened last time......." you know the kind of think youd say to someone you cared about.
You know...I did say that.
At what point did I come off as a careless girlfriend? I did remind him he shouldn't take it, but he thought he could.
My initial question for this post was to see if I was valid in being miffed he made us miss the show. I didn't ask if it was my fault that he took the pill and 4 too many shots.
Next time someone asks for help, don't suggest it is partially their fault when the other person is a consenting adult.
ANYWAY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO REMIND HIM HE MIGHT REACT BADLY. HE KNEW HE HAD THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A BAD REACTION.
Last Edit: Apr 24, 2007 15:03:08 GMT -5 by baj - Back to Top
Post by poopzilla33 on Apr 24, 2007 15:00:06 GMT -5
i gotta go to work. don't worry baj, i think the situation just isn't explained well enough to everyone or everyone is letting their personally experience with xanex get in the way. or maybe i just can't stand selfish guys. okay peace!
Careful not to take words tooo personally in this thread. I believe the comments are all being made genuinely out of concern. No one is trying to add blame from what I've read. Just a track to accountability. Regardless of him being a consenting adult, i think the law might have some tough questions for you if you would have had to take him to the emergency room....
Careful not to take words tooo personally in this thread. I believe the comments are all being made genuinely out of concern. No one is trying to add blame from what I've read. Just a track to accountability. Regardless of him being a consenting adult, i think the law might have some tough questions for you if you would have had to take him to the emergency room....
It's hard to not take them personally when they say, and I quote,
"you both did. that very easily could have been you pissing your pants. remember, you were walking around drunk and crying so you weren't in tip top shape either. you're bothat fault."
"You're both at fault." There...blame was put on me right there.
I really don't think the law would blame me, either. Would they haul me off to jail if he did have to go to the ER?
Last Edit: Apr 24, 2007 15:08:58 GMT -5 by baj - Back to Top
My boyfriend is 36 years old and can decide for himself if he should take the pill or not. (Before weekend before last, he had never tried xanax.) I, nor anyone, should tell him not to do it. He is a big boy now. He knew the potential was there to have a bad reaction, and he wanted to see the band more than I did. He knew he had the chance to miss it, and he did miss it.
It is in no way my fault. It is in no way my responsibility to monitor his behavior. He knows that I didn't want him to take it because of the potential of a gnarly reaction. He knew that, but it was still his choice to take it.
It became my responsibility when he fell down in the aisle and I knew he couldn't get himself back to the hotel, let alone assume he would remember he was staying in a hotel. I couldn't live with myself if I left him alone knowing the condition he was in.
It was his choice to take the pill. It was not my responsibilty to tell him not to (although I did remind him of past behavior---he even mentioned the past behavior). This is 100% his fault, and to give me partial responsibility is unfair.
