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Has anyone witnessed this latest abomination? I almost considered going Carlos the Jackal and tracking Billy Jane Armstrong down. But then someone talked some reason into me.
It makes me feel deep sorrow that one of John Lennon's finest and most intense social commentaries and protest songs can be defaced and ruined with so little outcry.
He's spinning rotisserie in his grave as I type this.
I'm sorry but that's just one song that in my opinion, if you're going to call yourself an artist, you should respect and leave be. It can never be done better. But if I'm crazy and it seems I am, I eagerly await Fall Out Boy's rendition of Stairway to Heaven.
And Say Anything's rendition of Another Brick in the Wall.
I didn't. Hell I didn't even smite the people who said they like the Green day cover, I respect people's views.
I just wish everyone realized that just because you have eyeliner doesn't mean you're musically talented.
And this is coming from someone whose first concert was Blink 182 and Green Day. They've just completly sold their souls.
Who is this "everyone" of which you speak? You should be aware that these are some of the most musically informed people I have ever seen gathered in one spot...... Generalize at your own risk.
Haha things are getting heated. I also figured, through reason and problem solving that you'd know what I meant. I definatly wasn't talking about everyone on here, after reading the "Who should never be at Bonnaroo" thread I know for a fact there are many who probably sympathize with my pain.
I meant by "everyone", the children brainwashed by MindlessTeleVision into thinking that Green Day is the best thing to happen to Rock.
hmm... i don't know man - green day has gotten better with age. i was turned on to them with dookie - that album makes me think of paris - but i think they really hit a home run with american idiot.
if your first concert was blink 182, then you are probably in your late teens / early 20's - in which case I can see why you would reject them out of principal - since if someone is telling you they are good, you probably run the other way.
For the record, the second best cover of working class hero was by ozzy
It's not at all my rebellious youthful nature that has me so confused. I mean I just find Green Day's American Idiot album ridiculous as well, they were jumping on the band wagon with everyone else who saw a chance to make money off opposing the president in my opinion.
I mean look at all the good Vote or Die did, more 18 year olds voting then any year prior and look how it ended up.
I mean I'd hate to say it but the same damn thing happened in 72. Nixon lowers the voting age to 18 and the youngsters didn't take initiative.
Sure he's outta there next year, but I cringe at not only what he could do before he leaves but what might happen if people get jaded and think the answer is electing Hillary or something.
Ha but Karma for what dookie makes you think of. I'm not sure how to take that remark lol.
Post by shotglass75 on Jun 5, 2007 15:27:22 GMT -5
For anyone who thinks that "American Idiot" was an attack on G Dub, you missed the boat. it was more of a political statement on America and what it is like to not to have a voice and finding that voice within yourself. And to be honest with you, name another band back in 2004 that had a political album out there. I can't really think of anyone. So if you say that Green Day jumped on the bandwagon, who's wagon did they jump on? There was no Rage, no Arrested Development, not really one political band out there that was speaking to as big as an audience as Green Day...maybe Beastie Boys. I haven't heard their version of WCH so I can't comment on the cover, but I highly doubt the band was trying to do anything but pay homage to a great man. Whether you like the way they did it or not is all an opinion so I can respect that.
I think the reason he did it is because he knows his audience are sheep and most of them probably haven't heard the song, nor care to hear it. BUT when it's coming from someone they perceive as cool, they listen.
I didn't even like American Idiot but agreed with the message. Just because you no longer like a band doesn't mean they sold out. Even if Billy Joe tried to ruin an incredible song by an incredible man.
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free speech is like money, some people just have a lot more of it than others
Lol are you kidding me? I'm not talking about musicians making political albums. I'm talking about the political climate and the fact that they made a whole nuts load of money off selling it.
Let's use the example off Good Charlote, became rich of singing a song about the rich and famous. Obviously Green Day's action is not as wildy ironic as Good Charlote's but it's just an example.
And if you need musicians/celebrities who were all about the political climate. Here's a short list.
Dixie Chicks P. Diddy or Sean Puffy or Puff daddy whatever his damn name is. Moby Alec Baldwin George Clooney..basically every celeb in Team America.
Neil Young also released his protest album though you wouldn't know about it if you were watching MTV. This is my whole point. You say they reached a grand audience, but how? Through their Viacom owned MTV.
So I just see their activism as not only false but increasingly irrelevant when the person signing their checks is the same sort of New Media they're railing against.
Post by oleander124 on Jun 5, 2007 16:05:10 GMT -5
neobob187 said:
Lol are you kidding me? I'm not talking about musicians making political albums. I'm talking about the political climate and the fact that they made a whole nuts load of money off selling it..
So? So what if they made money from it? Who doesn't make money off their albums? I highly doubt the did it just for the money.
At the time, there were very few that had albums out taking a stand for what they thought was right. I see nothing wrong with that.
Hate on Green Day all day long...I still think that album is their best.
Well you picked the weakest sentence out of that whole post. And I respect that people enjoy their music.
I'm just trying to explain the hypocrisy in something so fake. I mean maybe they're so incredibly smart that they're spreading the word of protest through the new media they're protesting, but I highly doubt that. Sumner Redstone, who's real name is Sumner Rothstein, & Philippe Dauman I think are a bit smarter.
They do own like a quarter of all media outlets. (In the U.S.)
Post by shotglass75 on Jun 5, 2007 16:22:30 GMT -5
So your thought process is this... You think the band went into the studio and said, let's make a political album about the state of affairs so we can sell a sh*tload of albums and make millions?
Do you even know anything about what went into making that album?
Green Day went into the studio and recorded an entire album of songs. the master tapes were stolen from the studio and the band took a break. Billie Joe went to NY and pretty much got drunk all of the time, tre got a divorce and Mike, who the hell knows. When the band reconveined they basically said, f*ck the album we recorded and let's start from scratch. When they did, they wrote Jesus of Suburbia and were amazed that they went "so big" if you will with arrangements, song structure, and length of a punk song. They pretty much came to the decision that they either go all out and make this "rock opera" about this character or call it a day. Basically the band went out on a limb and tried something that no other punk band has ever done. They had no clue that it would sell as well as it did. So now it came time to promote the album. And if you work for over a year on something and are proud of it and it means something important to you, you are going to promote the hell out of it and you are going to make sure as many people as possible are going to hear it. AND you are going to do everything in your power to get your message across. Millions of dollars were given from that band to charities for Katrina and war victims. Yeah the band made money, but good for them.
As far as other bands go Dixie Chicks - decent political band don't listen to them though Puffy - "Vote or Die" really isn't helping much in my opinion Moby - He's not on the scale that Green Day is. Neill Young - He is political but having MTV does help get a message across more than not having it and unfortunately, the MTV generation does not care.
Green Day were a great band for the youth of America to relate to and listen to, great for our sh*tty radio stations to play, great to sing along to, great to let out aggression about a nation that is falling apart, great to relate to a character who just has no clue where to go in this life. You can't fault them for it.
In any event, BONNAROOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ha yes I agree. What is it now? 8 days 8 hours and 35 minutes.
Call me a purist I suppose.
Neil Young though, I'll give him his dues I mean shit, he has yet to sell out all this time. Does anybody here ever remember seeing his old music video for "This Note's for You"?
Has anyone witnessed this latest abomination? I almost considered going Carlos the Jackal and tracking Billy Jane Armstrong down. But then someone talked some reason into me.
It makes me feel deep sorrow that one of John Lennon's finest and most intense social commentaries and protest songs can be defaced and ruined with so little outcry.
He's spinning rotisserie in his grave as I type this.
I agree, and I thought American Idiot was a musical atrocity that could not be topped...but I was wrong.
shotglass - very informative. it would be interesting if the original record masters were found - see how that compares
On one commentary track on the Simpsons dvd, the folks were talking about how they are on Fox yet tend to bash what is generally considered "right wing" stuff. In the end, it's all about the money. Sure, "Sumner Rothstein" owns the media corporation - but he wants to make money. So if that means backing a Michael Moore movie or whatever, so be it.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jun 6, 2007 10:15:37 GMT -5
I don't think anybody can disrespect or insult or anything to an artist by covering their song, no matter how bad it may or may not be. Personally, I love to play Led Zeppelin on my guitar. It's not good, but I still play it because I like the music. I mean no ill-intentions to Robert Plant or Jimmy Page or any of those guys by turning their masterpiece into my poor attempts of music, it's just fun for me and my own personal way of celebrating other musicians work.
I think Green Day may be doing the same thing, it's just their famous so when they do it they get put on the radio. Not as big of a deal as some people make it up to be.
Post by LucyRoo & AdamToo on Jun 6, 2007 23:21:09 GMT -5
neobob187 said:
I'm sorry but that's just one song that in my opinion, if you're going to call yourself an artist, you should respect and leave be. It can never be done better. But if I'm crazy and it seems I am, I eagerly await Fall Out Boy's rendition of Stairway to Heaven.
And Say Anything's rendition of Another Brick in the Wall.
It never ceases to amaze me the way people automatically ASSUME that cover songs are somehow meant to be better than the original, as if that comparison is even relevant.
I think you think you know a lot more about lennon than you actually do if you really believe he is going to be upset that some of the people he inspired wanted to try their hand at playing a song which more than likely inspired them to get into music in the first place, or thought it had an important enough message that it deserved to be reiterated.
Who cares if you don't like it? You obviously don't like anything from the artist anyway, so why would it be any different for this song? Just cause you think its a classic (which of course, I agree with), no artist should dare play the chords or sing the lyrics again? That's foolishness, and kind of immature.
You're right people can cover songs. This is not what I'm saying. I used to sing bob dylan covers at a local coffee shop. I'd dress like Bob Dylan, had the harmonica neck thing and the whole 9 yards. From what people tell me I was good. But I'm no f*cking Dylan.
You know what I didn't do?
I didn't change his f*cking lyrics to suit my own needs. And if Green Day wanted that song on the radio and airwaves. They had to take out the two F bombs. Which in my mind ruins any cover or attempt to play this song.
I'm not advocating lude lyrics in songs. But the fact of the matter is, the anger in Lennon's voice is not only absent in Green Day's abomination, it's also the opposite. Pretty boy make up wearing Billie singing like it's his first big day on stage and the music video interviewing Darfur refugees.
I'm sure that some money went to charity and that's great too. But Darfur is not what that damn song is about. It's about how you're conditioned from a child into conforming with society's rules and measures. And if Green Day had any respect for Lennon they would have chose a different f*cking song.
That's all the steam I think I have left to blow, unless more people want to throw gasoline on this flame lol.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 7, 2007 15:36:02 GMT -5
And what political action did Green Day take.... *sound of crickets chirping* - they rode the anti-America wave of our post-Iraq politics... heck, at least they made money.
shotglass75 said:
For anyone who thinks that "American Idiot" was an attack on G Dub, you missed the boat. it was more of a political statement on America and what it is like to not to have a voice and finding that voice within yourself. And to be honest with you, name another band back in 2004 that had a political album out there. I can't really think of anyone. So if you say that Green Day jumped on the bandwagon, who's wagon did they jump on? There was no Rage, no Arrested Development, not really one political band out there that was speaking to as big as an audience as Green Day...maybe Beastie Boys. I haven't heard their version of WCH so I can't comment on the cover, but I highly doubt the band was trying to do anything but pay homage to a great man. Whether you like the way they did it or not is all an opinion so I can respect that.
Post by shotglass75 on Jun 7, 2007 16:17:28 GMT -5
When did it become an obligation for a band to do anything but make music and play shows? They spoke up in interviews, they played shows, they got their message to a large population of people. I didn't know that they had to go to Congress and cause a fuss. I guess I am just wondering what sort of political action people were expecting from a band. All of us probably have some sort of opinion of the state of affairs in this country. When you make a living out of entertaining people, you get paid well if you entertain more people. Obviously many people enjoyed their music and their live shows. Not one of you would turn down a dime if someone was willing to pay you to speak your mind. They gave to charities, they spoke up.
Our president is making millions of dollars by going to war and killing people, our own people. Green Day is writing songs about how f*cked up that is and making millions. Good for them.
