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Our president is making millions of dollars by going to war and killing people, our own people. Green Day is writing songs about how f*cked up that is and making millions. Good for them.
Oh yes how grand for them. Green Day makes more money then the president. It's not the president making all the money from the war. It's Lockheed, and Haliburton, and every other company that gets contracts.
And you still have not adressed my entire point. If you write a song blathering about New Media and how you don't like the way your country is going, is it not a complete fraud to then whore yourself on the New Media you just said you didn't want to live under, in order to make a some money?
I think you're wildly enchanted if you think that Green Day is some pinnacle of activism.
God, not at all. Green Day is a band that wrote a somewhat political album. A great album at that in my opinion. The character in the album really spoke to me because many of the things the character goes through on his journey related to me. They album is a lot more complex than I think a majority of people thing. There are subtle things throughout the story that really make you understand where this character came from and where he is going. As far as the Lennon song goes, when all of the proceeds that is made from this album is going to a worthy cause, how is the band whoring themselves out? If more people buy it, is that bad? That is one thing that sucks about art. As an artist you want as many people as possible to hear, see, experience what you have created or what you feel, but if too many people see your art, you automatically become a sell out. I don't think Green Day did anything with their music to accomodate a larger audience, I think their music appeals to a large audience. Is that wrong of them? And to be honest with you, I am not as familiar with the song as I should be so your original point I really can't debate as much as I would like. Maybe they are whoring themselves out, I dunno. All I know is that I like 'em and you don't. Damn Hippie!!!!!!
I'm just a purist is all. I'm sure when Billie sat down one late afternoon on a Sunday, and had finished applying his mascara, he had the best intentions. "I think we'll cover a John Lennon song," he may have thought.
But what he certainly didn't think of was how important and meaningful that song is in it's original and entire state.
I mean Working Class Hero when I first heard it at age 7 opened my eyes to music in a way you can't possibly imagine. That whole album in fact. John Lennon's Plastic Ono Band, and Chuck Berry's Greatest Hits, were the two albums that made me decide to pick up a guitar.
11 Years later and I couldn't be happier, jamming with local musicians and playing in coffee shops and bars.
But it was particularly Working Class Hero that instilled the revolutionary thought process in my being. And it certainly answered the early question, "Mother should I trust the Government?"
The answer is f*ck no.
So when all is said and done, good for them I suppose. But if by some wild twist of fate I should meet Billie around town or bump into him if my band makes it, I will probably spit in his face.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jun 8, 2007 14:44:12 GMT -5
After skimming these posts, Neobob I think your real problem with this cover is your biased towards Green Day and their mascara. Personally, I don't care what band members put on their face or what they look like, I care more about the sound that they produce. I think you need to get over the fact that Billie likes to apply eye shadow and realize that if this song is truly what caused you to pick up a guitar and start listening to music then maybe you should appreciate that maybe members of Green Day felt the same way when they listened to it, and as with every respectable musician (yes, I just called Green Day respectable. deal with it) they added their own twist to it to make it personal for them. Like it or not, that's what they did. They meant no disrespect to Lennon, you, or music in general.
That being said, the thing I hate is today at work it came on the radio and a girl said "Man i love this song, Green Day is such good songwriters." That's where I had to correct her that it's a cover. That is all
And that's exactly what I'm worried about. If you dig the mascara good for you. But the fact is little teeny bopping dumb asses are going around saying, man I dig that new Green Day song, you know, Working Class Hero?
And that..I'm sorry to say pigz, Lennon would not be happy about. I still don't see the connection in that song and Darfur either. You think them ruining a classic is going to solve African crisis?
The U.S. plain and simply will never help Africa. We got ourselves in a huge mess in Somalia, and politicians took notes. Unfortunatly we have too much attention being spent in places where genocides aren't happening....well they are, but we're the ones committing them.
I'm not saying Green Day isn't I suppose political..but if they are they're candy store mall rock political.
Ani Difranco I would use as an example. In your face. Fierce, and damn good at her instrument.
Green Day has been playing power chords since the early 90's.
Oh and has anybody here gave a listen to Immortal Technique - The 4th Branch. Now that's some good sh*t.
Post by shotglass75 on Jun 8, 2007 15:48:50 GMT -5
Usually when these tribute albums happen it is a producer with a vision, and in this case I bet Yoko had something to do with it too, that approach the bands and ask them to participate in making a song for the album. Someone probably approached Green Day's "people" and asked if they wanted to be a part of this cause and album. Green Day said sure and probably went through a bunch of song titles and thought, "which one could we cover and still make sound like a Green Day song?" "Working Class hero" probably spoke to them somehow. Either in lyrics or song structure or both. Yes, when uneducated teenybopers think hat Green Day originally wrote the song, it is a shame. But you know what, they are kids. Where on earth are they going to hear an abundance of John Lennon music unless someone in their lives shows them the way. Also, WHAT DID THEY DO TO THE SONG TO DESTROY IT SO BADLY IN YOUR OPINION? Were the lyrics changed? Did they put a kazoo in it that I am not aware of?
Well seeing every documentary made on Lennon and owning almost every one of his albums, all if you include whats on my ipod, you get a sense of a person.
And you're right we're going to have to strongly disagree.
anybody got a weegie board?
This is hilarious though.
Oh and the answer to shotty.
Listen to Lennon's. Listen to Green Day's. Get back to me.
I think what should cause more outrage is Avril Lavigne covering Imagine for the same album.
under the logic I've heard in this Thread it would be heralded as her best song yet, and she'd probably win a Grammy for it while on the other coast I'd be minutes away from jumping off a 30 story building.
And shotglass if you need the Lennon version I'm listening to I can send it to you, Green Day doesn't sing the two most powerful lines.
Here we have John Lennon who wrote hundreds of amazing songs with no use of profane language. This is the one song where he uses the f*ckin' word twice. The anger in Lennon's voice is inescapable. And if you think Green Day's version comes anywhere close to or in the ball park of that passion, then there's something terribly wrong here.