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I've noticed lots of festivals (even regular shows) are having trouble selling out now. Is it over saturation with how many festivals we have now? Life is Beautiful is selling pretty low and it's next week. DNV looks like it's gonna be a slow seller, Sat single day sold out,but the rest seems like it won't. Flog hasn't sold out yet (maybe people waiting for the 2nd headliner).
Its simply getting to expensive for a lot of people really. Compare EU concert and festival ticket prices to the US and you'll see the difference immediately (sure, saturation has probably some influence in this aswell but if you check out which festivals died in the last 3-5 years, you can't really say that every festival that died got replaced with another one, right?)
$200 for a Primavera ticket vs. $430 for a Coachella ticket says enough. Sure, Coachella has amazing production but that's still an expensive ticket that doesn't even include camping/shuttle/etc.
Post by WhyTheLongFace on Sept 14, 2019 13:53:39 GMT -5
Hell with Coachella’s Price I don’t think we can have a full sell out without 2 MEGASTARS. Like if we have Adele/Rihanna/JT/Kanye + 2 mid tier headliners I think we get something similar to this year. Festivals have to facilitate in making acts superstars if they want to keep their price high. So get ready for a lot of reaches at Subs
Its simply getting to expensive for a lot of people really. Compare EU concert and festival ticket prices to the US and you'll see the difference immediately (sure, saturation has probably some influence in this aswell but if you check out which festivals died in the last 3-5 years, you can't really say that every festival that died got replaced with another one, right?)
$200 for a Primavera ticket vs. $430 for a Coachella ticket says enough. Sure, Coachella has amazing production but that's still an expensive ticket that doesn't even include camping/shuttle/etc.
Not to mention plane tickets/car rental/lodging put coachella well over 2 grand per person if you live on the east coast
Prince, he went on at 11:11 and was scheduled to go on at 10:45. Then played 2 hours.
Went more than an hour past curfew. Those were the days.
Macca did also. But then The Cure tried it the next day and got shut off. And i forgot that Madonna was half an hour late and then just played 25 minutes cause she is an asshole.
Its simply getting to expensive for a lot of people really. Compare EU concert and festival ticket prices to the US and you'll see the difference immediately (sure, saturation has probably some influence in this aswell but if you check out which festivals died in the last 3-5 years, you can't really say that every festival that died got replaced with another one, right?)
$200 for a Primavera ticket vs. $430 for a Coachella ticket says enough. Sure, Coachella has amazing production but that's still an expensive ticket that doesn't even include camping/shuttle/etc.
Tons of sponsorships keep costs down. Coachella is willing to not have the Tesla main stage and not be like Lolla is. Yes, Stagecoach has Toyota and such but the country audience gives zero fucks.
Cant find the post about campers, but it used to be about 10 - 15% of the audience camped and the rest came in. Now thats essentially flipped because the festival wants you onsite and to keep traffic down to a minimum unlike in the past when it took 2 hours to get out of parking.
The main culprit is not ticket price. People will pay the $430 to go to the festival. The issue is that the city and region itself is trying to get its cut. Hotels have gotten ridiculous price wise and it turns people off. I mean the FOMO still exists to some extent, but you really cannot buy a ticket at the last minute then find a hotel that doesnt cost $400 a night. Who wants to do that? If you can make lodging more affordable, youll have tons of people wanting to come back. Camping isnt for everyone despite all the amenities they provide, but it ends up being the only cheap option.
This year during weekend 2 I had some hotel drama and the place I had booked for dirt cheap wasnt honoring the price I was given by expedia and such. After a lengthy phone call, expedia was going to find and book another hotel that was similar in price and cover the difference if it was higher than what I was supposed to pay. Of course I was thinking I would end up in a roach motel cause it was thursday, but there were some decent options given to me. So after that got sorted I went and check to see what hotel rates were in the area. Turns out it wasnt unreasonable. Like a Motel 6 in Rancho Mirage was barely $150 a night, which is unheard of last minute. Holiday Inn was $220, thats a steal. That meant that yes, they likely were struggling to book rooms due to a lower attendance number, or people just thought they were gonna get gouged, which is usually the case. I mean right now on hotels.com if you search for next year the Saguaro in Palm Springs is very affordable given the climate. But you have to pay in advance, which in turn isnt going to sell because people are waiting on the line up unlike others who will go no matter what or even ones who got a lay away ticket and will wait til January.
There's other festivals that I'd like to go to, but I always end up looking at the price and going "eh.. I'd love to but I'm already going back to Coachella again, I guess I can wait it out". I've been to two others this year outside of Coachella, but that was only because I was able to get in for free (Smokin' Grooves LBC and Pot of Gold Phoenix). Not that I can't necessarily afford more fests, it's just I can't justify it. I've always said I love Coachella, but if I wasn't already in SoCal and a 90-120 minute drive away, I couldn't do it annually. Idk how people do the flights, car rentals, etc. etc. And regular shows are getting more expensive, as well, service fees are getting ridiculous. $15-25 dollars.
Post by wufinancial on Sept 14, 2019 20:02:06 GMT -5
I do Coachella out of Michigan for less than a grand every year. First time I’ve done it off site this year and it’s the closest I’ve come to hitting a grand. All it takes is planning. I could see the east coast being more pricey, but if you are around a busy airport you can make it happen.
Hell with Coachella’s Price I don’t think we can have a full sell out without 2 MEGASTARS. Like if we have Adele/Rihanna/JT/Kanye + 2 mid tier headliners I think we get something similar to this year. Festivals have to facilitate in making acts superstars if they want to keep their price high. So get ready for a lot of reaches at Subs
Smells like Melanie =P but in all honesty, I think we will get hefty headliners with very light subs this year. I feel like Bruno Mars is a strong headliner possibility, it's almost time for him to pop out with a new album. And I do feel like Kanye is a real possibility again. Any chance TOOL repeats? But I do think the headliners will be big and semi-different than most fests this year.
Went more than an hour past curfew. Those were the days.
Macca did also. But then The Cure tried it the next day and got shut off. And i forgot that Madonna was half an hour late and then just played 25 minutes cause she is an asshole.
$200 for a Primavera ticket vs. $430 for a Coachella ticket says enough. Sure, Coachella has amazing production but that's still an expensive ticket that doesn't even include camping/shuttle/etc.
Tons of sponsorships keep costs down. Coachella is willing to not have the Tesla main stage and not be like Lolla is. Yes, Stagecoach has Toyota and such but the country audience gives zero fucks.
Cant find the post about campers, but it used to be about 10 - 15% of the audience camped and the rest came in. Now thats essentially flipped because the festival wants you onsite and to keep traffic down to a minimum unlike in the past when it took 2 hours to get out of parking.
The main culprit is not ticket price. People will pay the $430 to go to the festival. The issue is that the city and region itself is trying to get its cut. Hotels have gotten ridiculous price wise and it turns people off. I mean the FOMO still exists to some extent, but you really cannot buy a ticket at the last minute then find a hotel that doesnt cost $400 a night. Who wants to do that? If you can make lodging more affordable, youll have tons of people wanting to come back. Camping isnt for everyone despite all the amenities they provide, but it ends up being the only cheap option.
Lolla and other US fests have tons of sponsorships and still cost double Primavera, no?
There's gotta be something else going on with ticket prices in America. I mean, 2012 Outside Lands featured Neil Young, Foo Fighters, Metallica, and Stevie Wonder - all massive headliners - plus Beck and Jack White, who were borderline headliners. "Eager Beaver" tickets were $165 for a 3-day pass. Within four years that was up to $325 for Radiohead, LCD Soundsystem, and Lionel Richie - nowhere near the cache of the 2012 lineup, and twice the price. What happened? Simple greed and the recognition that because they could charge that price, they might as well?
WRT Coachella though I do agree the hotel situation is a problem for them. Some towns are starting to make airbnb's more of a challenge as well; Palm Desert instituted some regulations around short term rentals and there are far fewer available for just a weekend.
This was interesting, however as a fan I would rather try my luck with lower priced tix in the general sale than pay the high price and be guaranteed a non-resale ticket. With StubHub you existing pretty much can get a ticket to any show if you have the money
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Artists make a lot less on album sales/streams, so it makes sense why they charge more for live performances. But there is greed ofc.
Inflation plays a big factor to. True Inflation for entertainment and restaurants is about 10%
Right, but “artists gotta make money from shows” would be the case in Europe, too. And yet prices are much lower there. The “undercut the secondhand market” thought is intriguing, albeit shitty - it’s not that hard to make tickets non transferable on a secondhand market or at least make reselling more of a challenge.
And 10% inflation doesn’t jive with a 100% increase in cost over 4 years.
Artists make a lot less on album sales/streams, so it makes sense why they charge more for live performances. But there is greed ofc.
Inflation plays a big factor to. True Inflation for entertainment and restaurants is about 10%
Right, but “artists gotta make money from shows” would be the case in Europe, too. And yet prices are much lower there. The “undercut the secondhand market” thought is intriguing, albeit shitty - it’s not that hard to make tickets non transferable on a secondhand market or at least make reselling more of a challenge.
And 10% inflation doesn’t jive with a 100% increase in cost over 4 years.
The rest is made up by excessive charging/greed. But coachella didn't double its price in the past 4 years
Primavera is a good lineup, but out of their top 3, only Tame would headline Coachella. Still a very good value
Its not like Glastonbury is cheap and I much prefer Coachella's lineup and depth
Right, but “artists gotta make money from shows” would be the case in Europe, too. And yet prices are much lower there. The “undercut the secondhand market” thought is intriguing, albeit shitty - it’s not that hard to make tickets non transferable on a secondhand market or at least make reselling more of a challenge.
And 10% inflation doesn’t jive with a 100% increase in cost over 4 years.
The rest is made up by excessive charging/greed. But coachella didn't double its price in the past 4 years
Primavera is a good lineup, but out of their top 3, only Tame would headline Coachella. Still a very good value
Its not like Glastonbury is cheap and I much prefer Coachella's lineup and depth
Glastonbury is half the price of Coachella if you buy a camping pass. But it’s also a nonprofit so that’s an apples and oranges comparison.
Post by capstache on Sept 15, 2019 15:03:20 GMT -5
Can confirm My Chemical Romance. My grandma told me all about it last weekend at our family reunion. Or maybe she was just ranting about her menopause...
Can someone ask the old lady from Egypt what she thinks of Lana Del Rey headlining Coachella so we can know whether the festival has redeemed its reputation as a laughingstock worldwide
Glastonbury is half the price of Coachella if you buy a camping pass. But it’s also a nonprofit so that’s an apples and oranges comparison.
Isn't a ticket 270 pounds? That is about 340 dollars
265 pounds or $330. Coachella’s $429 + $125 camping, $554. If you get stuck having to buy a shuttle pass, you’re at ~$625. Not exactly half, but Glasto is significantly cheaper no matter how you slice it.
Glastonbury is half the price of Coachella if you buy a camping pass. But it’s also a nonprofit so that’s an apples and oranges comparison.
Isn't a ticket 270 pounds? That is about 340 dollars
Bruh the whole argument isn't that ticket prices on their own are higher, because some majors like Roo or ACL have fairly similar prices in comparison to majors in Europe, it's the whole thing. It's camping fees/hotels, car parking fees, it's drinks and food. Or do your expenses just stop when you buy your GA pass?
Isn't a ticket 270 pounds? That is about 340 dollars
265 pounds or $330. Coachella’s $429 + $125 camping, $554. If you get stuck having to buy a shuttle pass, you’re at ~$625. Not exactly half, but Glasto is significantly cheaper no matter how you slice it.
Oh I didn't know the ticket came with camping. For someone who lives in LA though, the airfare really wouldn't make it worth it for me unless I was already there for a trip.
I added the 5 pounds for a fee, no real difference though
Isn't a ticket 270 pounds? That is about 340 dollars
Bruh the whole argument isn't that ticket prices on their own are higher, because some majors like Roo or ACL have fairly similar prices in comparison to majors in Europe, it's the whole thing. It's camping fees/hotels, car parking fees, it's drinks and food. Or do your expenses just stop when you buy your GA pass?
I've never been to Roo or ACL to know pricing of hotels/airbnb during the trips. But I assume the prices get hiked up. But wouldn't the same happen at large European fests?
Only festival I've gone to not in CA was in Amsterdam for 1 day.
265 pounds or $330. Coachella’s $429 + $125 camping, $554. If you get stuck having to buy a shuttle pass, you’re at ~$625. Not exactly half, but Glasto is significantly cheaper no matter how you slice it.
Oh I didn't know the ticket came with camping. For someone who lives in LA though, the airfare really wouldn't make it worth it for me unless I was already there for a trip.
I added the 5 pounds for a fee, no real difference though
You pretty much have to camp if you go to Glastonbury. You could try your luck at a hotel in a neighboring small town, but there really is no possibility to stay ”offsite”. Only the locals who come in on sundays arent there all weekend. And I paid $800 round trip from LA to London, and that was with Virgin Atlantic. ( thanks brexit ) If you wanted to cut down the flight cost even more try Norwegian and you could make a flight work for $500. So whats your defense on not being able to make the trip worth it? If you ever get to go, you’ll be like a lot of people who thought it was just going to be the stereotypical uk festival bs.
Macca did also. But then The Cure tried it the next day and got shut off. And i forgot that Madonna was half an hour late and then just played 25 minutes cause she is an asshole.
Tons of sponsorships keep costs down. Coachella is willing to not have the Tesla main stage and not be like Lolla is. Yes, Stagecoach has Toyota and such but the country audience gives zero fucks.
Cant find the post about campers, but it used to be about 10 - 15% of the audience camped and the rest came in. Now thats essentially flipped because the festival wants you onsite and to keep traffic down to a minimum unlike in the past when it took 2 hours to get out of parking.
The main culprit is not ticket price. People will pay the $430 to go to the festival. The issue is that the city and region itself is trying to get its cut. Hotels have gotten ridiculous price wise and it turns people off. I mean the FOMO still exists to some extent, but you really cannot buy a ticket at the last minute then find a hotel that doesnt cost $400 a night. Who wants to do that? If you can make lodging more affordable, youll have tons of people wanting to come back. Camping isnt for everyone despite all the amenities they provide, but it ends up being the only cheap option.
Lolla and other US fests have tons of sponsorships and still cost double Primavera, no?
There's gotta be something else going on with ticket prices in America. I mean, 2012 Outside Lands featured Neil Young, Foo Fighters, Metallica, and Stevie Wonder - all massive headliners - plus Beck and Jack White, who were borderline headliners. "Eager Beaver" tickets were $165 for a 3-day pass. Within four years that was up to $325 for Radiohead, LCD Soundsystem, and Lionel Richie - nowhere near the cache of the 2012 lineup, and twice the price. What happened? Simple greed and the recognition that because they could charge that price, they might as well?
WRT Coachella though I do agree the hotel situation is a problem for them. Some towns are starting to make airbnb's more of a challenge as well; Palm Desert instituted some regulations around short term rentals and there are far fewer available for just a weekend.
Look at Lolla pre 4 days and it wasnt around $250 for the weekend. Primavera has just done that tiered pricing and its worked for them by ensuring theres an audience that will buy a ticket with no line up cause of the brand. And its slowly gone up. I paid $120 in 2010 for a pass with a minimal line up behind it. Lolla actually kept food prices reasonable because theres over 100k worth of people and know you will sell a ton of food, so you dont have to overcharge.
OSL has been putting a higher focus on the food and weed now so theyre forking over funds on that end which isnt translating to talent per se. The City is getting a higher cut on top of it too.