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Post by GratefulHippie on Mar 10, 2008 10:54:32 GMT -5
I went this morning to grab a cup of coffee, as I was not going to be making it through the day without some. I started thinking about big business, and how much I loathe it mostly.
Every time I go into this particular Starbucks, though, I am always greeted by one of the nicest people I've ever met, and once they even gave me a coupon for any free drink just because they forgot to write my name on a cup, so I waited about 3 minutes extra.
I believe they are also big on fair trade, and any employee who works 25hrs or more is entitled to benefits.
So, is Starbucks an evil corporation, and should be lumped in with the rest of them? Or are they a big corporation who is actually worth a damn?
Post by spookymonster on Mar 10, 2008 11:39:13 GMT -5
Value is a matter of perspective.
A trust fund hippie can devote the time and resources necessary to analyze a company's portfolio for signs of evil before coming to the conclusion that yes, Starbucks is indeed 'The Man'.
A kid looking for a job with benefits so he doesn't have to sell druqs on the corner might have a different opinion of evil.
If you're looking for a cup of coffee, buy one that tastes good. If you like the people that serve it to you, even better.
If you're looking to invest in a company, buy the stock that you believe in, either for profit or karma. If you like the coffee they make, even better.
I wouldn't buy stock because I liked their coffee any more than I would buy a cup of coffee because I liked their free trade policies. Neither makes the other more palatable.
[edit] BTW, I wasn't insinuating that you were a trust fund hippie, Austin. Sorry if that's how it came out .
Post by Christopher Shawn on Mar 10, 2008 12:49:37 GMT -5
im big fan of the venti cafe mocha...usually runs me $4.50. The only complaint I have is the fact that theyre so popular, and their prices are still extremely high. Seems like madness.
Post by Christopher Shawn on Mar 10, 2008 13:47:20 GMT -5
The training, the presentation, the life they lead. There are plenty of documentarys floating around the internet showing the life rodeo animals tend to lead.
Maybe just sending the message that animals are nothing more than moving objects meant to be tamed and manipulated is cruelty.
Post by GratefulHippie on Mar 10, 2008 13:57:03 GMT -5
squid said:
The training, the presentation, the life they lead. There are plenty of documentarys floating around the internet showing the life rodeo animals tend to lead.
Maybe just sending the message that animals are nothing more than moving objects meant to be tamed and manipulated is cruelty.
Post by Christopher Shawn on Mar 10, 2008 13:58:38 GMT -5
Nope, but the only meat i eat is home farm raised. Im aware on the contradiction involved in thinking starbucks is evil for sponsoring rodeos but I am also evil for various reasons.
Post by starrynight on Mar 10, 2008 14:07:14 GMT -5
i am a trust fund hippie, or the little part of me that you can call a hippie is. but i really don't like big businesses. If i have another option, i choose the little guy. but as far as starbucks, im addicted to the blueberry frappucino's...i can't help it.
Post by GratefulHippie on Mar 10, 2008 14:35:02 GMT -5
squid said:
Nope, but the only meat i eat is home farm raised. Im aware on the contradiction involved in thinking starbucks is evil for sponsoring rodeos but I am also evil for various reasons.
well, having grown up in texas, i suppose i'm biased as far as rodeos.
Post by Christopher Shawn on Mar 10, 2008 14:38:28 GMT -5
I cant understand that, Thats like saying growing up in the south justifies hating people of different races or that living in the 1850s justifies thinking that slavery is right. We're all entitled to our opinions, but we're all responsible for our opinions.
Post by GratefulHippie on Mar 10, 2008 14:40:34 GMT -5
squid said:
I cant understand that, Thats like saying growing up in the south justifies hating people of different races or that living in the 1850s justifies thinking that slavery is right. We're all entitled to our opinions, but we're all responsible for our opinions.
no its not. it means i've had up close and personal relationships and experiences with rodeos and those involved. you can watch docs all you want, but be careful about making blanket statements.
also, don't believe that just because what you're told is farm-raised meat it isn't put on the market in many the same ways regular meat is. if you're intensely against animal cruelty, your only way to not be a hypocrite would be to become a vegan.
Post by Christopher Shawn on Mar 10, 2008 14:42:44 GMT -5
that was far from a blanket statement. Saying you were biased because you grew up in Texas was more of a blanket statement than anything Ive said. Make animals tapdance for peoples entertainment is cruelty.
Post by Christopher Shawn on Mar 10, 2008 14:46:10 GMT -5
hippienaustin said:
squid said:
I cant understand that, Thats like saying growing up in the south justifies hating people of different races or that living in the 1850s justifies thinking that slavery is right. We're all entitled to our opinions, but we're all responsible for our opinions.
no its not. it means i've had up close and personal relationships and experiences with rodeos and those involved. you can watch docs all you want, but be careful about making blanket statements.
also, don't believe that just because what you're told is farm-raised meat it isn't put on the market in many the same ways regular meat is. if you're intensely against animal cruelty, your only way to not be a hypocrite would be to become a vegan.
Ive taken several tours of Niman Ranch, where I buy my meat from, and I can say without a doubt in my mind the conditions are a hell of alot better than anything tyson could ever dream of. Ive already discussed my hypocrisy. See earleir in thread.
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Mar 10, 2008 14:48:18 GMT -5
hippienaustin said:
squid said:
I cant understand that, Thats like saying growing up in the south justifies hating people of different races or that living in the 1850s justifies thinking that slavery is right. We're all entitled to our opinions, but we're all responsible for our opinions.
no its not. it means i've had up close and personal relationships and experiences with rodeos and those involved. you can watch docs all you want, but be careful about making blanket statements.
also, don't believe that just because what you're told is farm-raised meat it isn't put on the market in many the same ways regular meat is. if you're intensely against animal cruelty, your only way to not be a hypocrite would be to become a vegan.
Insane argument. Value is incremental. You don't HAVE to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And there ARE standards that have to be met in order for meat to be labelled in several different ways.
Animals kept alive in poor conditions for our entertainment vs. animals raised humanely for nutrition ?
Post by GratefulHippie on Mar 10, 2008 14:49:48 GMT -5
well, i'm not in the mood to argue something we will never agree on. i'm sorry if you felt like i was attacking you or something, but that was never the case. didn't mean to ruffle any feathers.
Post by Christopher Shawn on Mar 10, 2008 14:50:58 GMT -5
koyaanisqatsi said:
hippienaustin said:
no its not. it means i've had up close and personal relationships and experiences with rodeos and those involved. you can watch docs all you want, but be careful about making blanket statements.
also, don't believe that just because what you're told is farm-raised meat it isn't put on the market in many the same ways regular meat is. if you're intensely against animal cruelty, your only way to not be a hypocrite would be to become a vegan.
Insane argument. Value is incremental. You don't HAVE to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And there ARE standards that have to be met in order for meat to be labelled in several different ways.
Animals kept alive in poor conditions for our entertainment vs. animals raised humanely for nutrition ?
Id prefer to see animals raised in humane conditions before i digest them because I love meat. As far as watching some poor beast get tied up and pretty much made a mochary of over and over until it develops more arthritis than we can ever imagine and then gets put to death,
Animals kept alive in poor conditions for our entertainment vs. animals raised humanely for nutrition ?
This is a fucking stupid statement. You apparently know little of legitimate rodeos...otherwise you'd know the cowboys end up suffering quite a bit more than the animals...
Honestly comparing it to slavery is just plain fucking stupid.
