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Learn some iteration...I didnt compare a rodeo to slavery

Mom and Pop had to close up shop due to the money I flop on Good-to-the-last-drop.



Not me. Equal Exchange and locally poured is the only way.


Can't favor flavor , though I'm a craver. But a fair trade raver ! It's the righteousness I'll savor.

It was more implied in your line of reasoning. I'm dropping it though. Thread jacking's for terrorists.

Just very few who stay in business by means of rampant expansionism that consumes local competition !

And we could go rounds on the notion of "humane" treatment-so I won't. There are peoples daddies who make their living hustling the circus life, too. Pimping animals for ticket sales.

Noone ever asks the elephant who freaks out if it was worth the retirement package !

But I won't call YOUR opinion quacking stupid or uninformed. You probably just know people who benefit from the business....

You can do little to stop the war profiteers. You can do much to stop Starbucks from squeezing out the little guy.

It all starts with thinking global and acting local !





....back to your regularly scheduled thread......

I don't like the way that they over-roast the crap out of their beans, I do like that it has helped turn more of america onto better coffee. Very little of the coffee they sell is fair trade. And cowboys have a choice if they want to be injured in the name of entertainment, animals don't.

And the idea that animals are dying right and left cause of the rodeo is uninformed. The animals are the life blood of the rodeo. I can guarantee any rodeo worth it's grain treats those animals better than they do the cowboys and clowns. Especially with raised awareness of animal cruelty out there...

please see reply # 44.
EDIT: Their problem may be that they are two far away to benefit from Starbucks.

Hopefully voting for un-electable fringe candidates in order to help them get less than 1% of the vote will send the message to whoever gets elected that we're mad as hell and aren't going to take this anymore.

So Ford should have sold out to Toyota 20 years ago, or risk being buried by them as competition ?(Ford should have done many things different-this is not an argument that they did much if anything correctly)

And by the same token, we should all just bow down to agribusiness, because we have already lost the game, and trying to offer local produce is silly because agribusiness has made it unprofitable. And knowing whether or not to try to compete is far superior than offering an alternative.

That whole article could be applied as a justification for globalization. Or money worship.

???Did you read the whole article?
It's been a while since I read it, so I'll re-read in order to understand your reaction.

I do not endorse selling out to Starbucks, only taking advantage of the unexpected benefits that can result from their presence, making lemonaide when given lemons.

I consider this to be a better response to to a percieved adversity than giving up on doing anything about war-profiteers.

"That's certainly how it worked out for Hyman. Soon after declining Starbucks's buyout offer, Hyman received the expected news that the company was opening up next to one of his stores. But instead of panicking, he decided to call his friend Jim Stewart, founder of the Seattle's Best Coffee chain, to find out what really happens when a Starbucks opens nearby. "You're going to love it," Stewart reported. "They'll do all of your marketing for you, and your sales will soar." The prediction came true: Each new Starbucks store created a local buzz, drawing new converts to the latte-drinking fold. When the lines at Starbucks grew beyond the point of reason, these converts started venturing out—and, Look! There was another coffeehouse right next-door! Hyman's new neighbor boosted his sales so much that he decided to turn the tactic around and start targeting Starbucks. "We bought a Chinese restaurant right next to one of their stores and converted it, and by God, it was doing $1 million a year right away," he said."

That article is full of holes.

Seatles Best is way more in a position to ride Starbuck's coat tails than Mom or Pop.

The whole article is unsupported by footnoted facts and only draws inferences.


Plus it blatantly admits the vulture-like strategies employed by Starbucks in running some local competition out of business. Great, more upstarts, but Pops at the local fountain lost his ability to pass on his business to his son, or sell it to retire.

This is not like how Ragu selling organic benefits the local organic farmer because of increased curiousity about organics. Ragu never targeted local guys specifically. Just their market. And they increased the market. Starbucks forces locals out of business because they get write offs and breaks for rampant expansion. They play it all forward and use the quantity breaks, tax breaks, advertising budgets, and whatever means necessary to put the little guy out of business.

But yes. the article makes a fine point about Seatles Best. But they are hardly a mom and pop.

I think you just like to argue ....



but I'll return the karma favor and move on, you Loki like sob

I think the jist or gist or gueist or whatever of his comment was to state that the entire sport of rodeo is cruel because its throwing animals into a physical sport without their concent.