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I just found out that Illinois legalized medical marijuana in the 1970s, but never put the bill into action.
It's hard to think that mj could be legalized at this point though... with smoking bans over taking each state and the salvia madness. They just made salvia illegal in IL this year... How are we moving forward when there's all these steps in the wrong direction. They tell me I'm free, but I don't feel free.
If they legalized it I'd be growing some sticky-icky in the back room.
i think this is why the 'tax it' theory doesn't really pan out. i don't know very many people who wouldn't be growing their own instead of buying it. its not the same as tobacco where you need to grow a lot of plants on a regular basis to keep pace with what you smoke, necessitating cultivation on a mass scale which is far more practical for a business than an individual. only a few plants every couple weeks would suffice for most people unless you're one of those 'have-to-have-a-blunt-every-hour' types.
i'm extremely glad that this bill is being introduced not because i think it'll succeed, but because the only way we'll ever make progress is by continuing to push and take symbolic actions like this and keep the issue in the public eye. sadly, i think there are just too many deeply-entrenched political and business interests who profit heavily by keeping this plant as illegal as possible for it to ever be fully legalized. if i live to see personal possession for small amounts decriminalized on a federal level, i'll be happy.
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Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 25, 2008 17:10:54 GMT -5
Ok,listen up the reason MJ will never be leagleized is all due to two things going against it. 1st is the fact that you can grow this product in your front yard. 2nd is due to the fact that YOU CAN GROW IT IN YOUR FRONT YARD. there for making any form of regulation hard if not impossible. After all our government was totally funded and kept running by none other than big tobbacco. Want proof look at the governmental warning it should read as follows "warning this product used as it is designed will kill you" it doesn't and never will. But instead we get the fact that "it may cause low birth weight" look at how long it took just to get a victory in court against them. They see the end comming and for a long time they have been buying up major food producing companys (phillip morris owns Kraft) look it up and you will find the same people who said cigarettes are safe are in control of a lot more than you want them to be.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 25, 2008 17:31:25 GMT -5
Only the amount of liquor you are able to leagly produce is the regulation dont believe me the ATF busted several familys on there purchases of sugar by the containers and propain. None of those items are ileagle yet the govt tracks big purchases of those items. A buddy got questioned over the purchse of a half mile worth of drip line because he's not a nursery or maple syrup producer even though it turned out he was just getting started in the syrup business. Don't even kid your self and for one minute think he was given an appology for the intrusion into his private affairs by the govt.
Government intrusion has greatly increased due to the "War on Druqs." We now have no knock searches, property seizures w/o guilt, personal and property searches that were considered illegal 40 years ag are now allowed due to the "War", eavesdropping and spying are allowed. Legalizing and taxing it would likely decrease the intrusion of Govt.
Not to mention emptying the prisons so we could keep the dangerous criminals in instead of nonviolent users and/or dealers.
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Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 26, 2008 8:05:27 GMT -5
Troo a couple of weeks ago there was a story on the NBC nightly news that said we the USA have more people in jail than any other on the planet. Yet we have the audacity to tell others how they should treat there citizens. our government does'nt speek to one another so the financials make more sense than our seperation from England our laws were bought and paid for by all of us that smoke cigarettes. Don't believe me take a long hard look at it.
Without punctuation, I have trouble following your sentences and therefore your point. I think we may kind of agree.
Thanks to the War on Druqs we have a greater percentage of our population in jail than any modern society; more than Hitler, Stalin or Mao or even modern China (the societies we most fear.) Also these laws allow for disenfranchisement of a huge percentage of the population by removal of their right to vote.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 26, 2008 9:35:36 GMT -5
Sorry the computer queen is at work. I type with the most basic of skills, two fingers which hunt and peck. But yes we do agree on the issue. Here's a sad fact 1 in 4 smoke marajuana regularly yet we can't seem to convince our government that it's benificial to them and us as a nation to have this product leaglized.
The gov't doesn't care about us on this issue. The War on Druqs is an easy way to control the masses and scare the public into voting for them. Also the more secretive parts of our gov't use it's sale as an easy way to get funding for covert ops without having to go before Congress to ask for funding or being accountable in general.
Post by augustwest on Mar 26, 2008 12:42:08 GMT -5
Revenue gained from the war on druqs is way too much to have these laws changed in a very timely manner. Legalization will probably happen on a state by state basis with less federal intervention than there currently is, and some states will probably never legalize. Take a trip to san fransisco to see a situation where it is basically decriminalized. And the rumors of tobacco companies being ready to produce big production headies are just urban legends.
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 26, 2008 12:46:23 GMT -5
Always has been that way sinse the beginning of communism. The loss of cheap and usecured labor prior to the formation of unions. Big business being forced to provide bennefits health,longevity,retierment.
Post by areyoukind on Mar 26, 2008 13:13:03 GMT -5
it won't be legalized because the cotton farmers don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the oil men don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the pharmaceuticals don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the tobacco men don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the alcohol producers don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the paper producers don't want to get phased out
now i realize that all these industries wouldn't completely die, but they would lose a significant market share to hemp/cannabis
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Post by GratefulHippie on Mar 26, 2008 13:14:53 GMT -5
areyoukind said:
it won't be legalized because the cotton farmers don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the oil men don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the pharmaceuticals don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the tobacco men don't want to get phased out it won't be legalized because the alcohol producers don't want to get phased out
now i realize that all these industries wouldn't completely die, but they would lose a significant market share to hemp/cannabis
it won't be legalized because chemical companies don't want to get phased out(dupont, etc) it won't be legalized because lumberjacks and paper companies don't want to be phased out
Post by BrokenLight on Mar 26, 2008 14:57:45 GMT -5
In 2001, I was driving home from a friend's house. I was almost home when I got pulled over. The cop ending up finding all the weed I had in my car, which by the way was only a joint. I went to jail, my parents bailed me out which costed them $300 or so. Then I had to go to court which costed them another $500 or so.
It's now 2008, and because of this bullshit arrest on my record, I can't find or keep a job because, after I apply, I get my record mailed to me and what the employer saw. And most recently I had a job for 3 weeks. They took me to the office and fired me because of what they found on my record.
Why would they even hire me in the first place if they would've had to of known about my record before they decided to hire me?
Because of this stupid bullshit, I have suffered from depression and anger problems since then. Not to mention, I'm 27, and well, you kind of need a job to make it in this world. But I can't have it that way because I had one lousy joint on me.
Was I going to traffick thousands of pounds into my community with this 1 joint? No. I'm not that fucking stupid. I don't sell the shit, I just smoke it. And what kills me the most is the fact that pot is actually safer than alcohol, yet alcohol is the one that's legal. What the fuck is going on, somebody in our country needs to fix some shit. I'd get my record cleared but I don't have thousands of dollars to pay a lawyer.
I am very, very, very fucking pissed off right now because I got bills and shit.
In 2001, I was driving home from a friend's house. I was almost home when I got pulled over. The cop ending up finding all the weed I had in my car, which by the way was only a joint. I went to jail, my parents bailed me out which costed them $300 or so. Then I had to go to court which costed them another $500 or so.
It's now 2008, and because of this bullshit arrest on my record, I can't find or keep a job because, after I apply, I get my record mailed to me and what the employer saw. And most recently I had a job for 3 weeks. They took me to the office and fired me because of what they found on my record.
Why would they even hire me in the first place if they would've had to of known about my record before they decided to hire me?
Because of this stupid bullshit, I have suffered from depression and anger problems since then. Not to mention, I'm 27, and well, you kind of need a job to make it in this world. But I can't have it that way because I had one lousy joint on me.
Was I going to traffick thousands of pounds into my community with this 1 joint? No. I'm not that quacking stupid. I don't sell the shit, I just smoke it. And what kills me the most is the fact that pot is actually safer than alcohol, yet alcohol is the one that's legal. What the quack is going on, somebody in our country needs to fix some doodie. I'd get my record cleared but I don't have thousands of dollars to pay a lawyer.
I am very, very, very quacking pissed off right now because I got bills and doodie.
sounds to me like you need to have it expunged from your record. If your state will allow it - that is - you just need to contact a lawyer about doing the paperwork. if you have not been in any trouble since then - most judges will remove it from your record
Post by arlenefavreau1 on Mar 27, 2008 4:50:39 GMT -5
Pots not going to be leagle state to state any faster than it will be nationaly due to the way tax dollars get to your state. The feds don't like what your state is doing they tske away allocated funds from your state. The Alaskan high way is prime example of this pot leagle no money from the government to fix the road, pot ileagle money to fix the road. That's just one of the tactics that our government use's to hold the state's in check. I really hope that the state of Minnisota can prove federal neglagence on there bridge collapse. Of course it's not so much in proving it as it is getting that proof out to the public.
Post by anicwilliams1580 on Mar 27, 2008 8:47:10 GMT -5
I would so much rather be on the road with a bunch of stoners instead of a bunch of drunks! MJ is way safer, plus all those products that can be made with hemp. The government is crazy! I really don't see this as a free country anymore.
