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Because my gut instinct tells me that people are trying to exploit a seemingly terrible thing for their own advantage. Maybe if Juggs and others hadn't wrapped this automatically losing issue around the restoration of a less than funny troll account my gut would tell me otherwise.
Nobody was trying to "exploit" this. The references to my "less than funny troll account" were only really made (at least, by me - I can't speak for anyone else) to point out the insanity of something like that being verboten while there needs to be DISCUSSION about BANNING SOMEONE WHO ADMITTED TO SEX WITH UNDERAGE GIRLS. That's all. There's no "advantage" that anyone wanted here. It's not like Ron was anyone's mortal enemy on here, nor as if this is some minor past discretion being blown up to epic proportions for a personal vendetta. This isn't me being all "Jess admitted to using dr*gs BAN HIM THATS ILLEGAL," where it's a clear escalation of something excusable being brought for pure purpose of antagonism.
Your track record leads us to question your motives in putting this on blast right now. I get what you're saying and you're good at putting on a reasonable mask when the situation necessitates it, but the vast majority of your activity on the board is trolling and flaming. We're being the moderators that we are and taking all of this into account. I know you understand, but you'd never admit to it.
If he had admitted to it here on the board, would that somehow make the difference? And why?
If someone came in here and said "yeah, I murdered someone in cold blood ten years ago. Just one of those things!" would you be like "cool, this is someone I want around?"
If he had admitted to it here on the board, would that somehow make the difference? And why?
If someone came in here and said "yeah, I murdered someone in cold blood ten years ago. Just one of those things!" would you be like "cool, this is someone I want around?"
Serious questions.
Yes, I think it would make a difference. Because it would be something he brought onto this board. As it stands now, it is something that you guys brought here.
If someone came on here and bragged about murdering someone and getting away with it, I would not be "cool" with it. You have to understand, I am not cool with a lot of things that may or may not go on here. But I try not to judge others by my own moral compass.
Not that anyone cares what I think, but I'm very distressed by a lot of what I've seen over the past few days. I need to go back and read everything that's been posted so far to make sure I'm not missing something, but what I've seen so far seems to indicate that because an issue has come forth by people who are considered by some moderators as troublemakers at "every turn" that what is being brought forward is not legitimate.
I don't run this board and I don't want to run this board but the tenor of response is not sitting well with me. Druid asked for more opinions and thoughts and most of the people who have been around for a long time or post a lot here have remained silent. (PMs absolutely do not count as voicing opinion). Have a great night everyone. I certainly am. More to follow when I get home and can read everything.
Has anyone who feels vehemently about this issue just asked the poster to stay away?
Like: " The sh*t you claimed to pull down in TJ ain't anywhere near cool around here pal. Pick up your chair and bump it off down the road if you know what's good for you."
If it's important enough to clog up a completely different message board over a poster who doesn't even post much here lately ( maybe public shaming works?) then it's important enough to pm the poster and tell him to F off in your own way. I assume this has happened. Are you asking the mods to do the tough work for you? I don't forsee myself complaining about certain parties roasting him if he shows up.
Will you all please return to talking about music? Plenty to hate there.
I originally refrained from posting as I am relatively new, but gotta step up sometime.
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"When I hear music, I fear no danger. I am invulnerable. I see no foe. I am related to the earliest times, and to the latest.” -Thoreau
Good lord. I, and anyone else, will not be "declaring victory" or high fiving each other if ron gets banned. It's something we expect to happen because its the right f*cking thing to do, and apparently some of you are letting your personal dislike of certain people cloud your judgement on that point.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Nov 17, 2013 9:27:44 GMT -5
I would like to see the guy banned. When it was first brought up here, quite some time ago, it certainly alarmed me. But, then, I never heard another thing about it, and I don't visit the Coachella board. On top of that, I do believe CR hasn't posted here since the incident, so, out of sight, eventually, out of mind. I do believe that this was the case for our mods here as well: It didn't appear to be an issue, so why would they make it one? Fair and easy thing to understand.
And that brings me to what else I would like to contribute: To those who want to constantly attack our mods as being incompetent, engaging them with an air of superiority, or who act as though, basically, you can treat druid, cks, ITM, or any of the mods here as dogsh*t, STOP IT. I have seriously had enough of your childish, self-entitled BS. The mods have a life, they invest alot of their time into inforoo (doing good things for the board), and maybe if you some of you learned how to approach them with an issue or a concern with some respect, you would be better received. Maybe if you didn't act like the goddamn sky is falling every time something you didn't like (the word filter, trolls, personal grievances with another member) happens around here, and started raising hell on the board about it, maybe, just maybe, your opinions would be more readily taken into account. I really don't like the way some of you speak to druid, cks, and ITM. I have never once seen any of these people treat you that way on the board.
We could have just had a discussion about this if had been broached as "we should talk about this poster. It's a concern of mine. Anyone else feel the same way?" I would have gladly chimed in a long time ago and said that it would be best to take some action here, for the good of the board. Instead, you guys put the mods on the defensive immediately, for something that they didn't do- for something that they are not at fault for. Ridiculous way to treat people who do alot for you and put up with alot for FREE.
Pops in answer to your comment, I can assure you that I do feel what is being brought forward is legitimate. I asked for PM's, and even sent some out, to get a better understanding for how others feel on the subject.
I think the best thing here is for the mods to discuss this amongst ourselves and see if we can come up with a resolution. I would ask that you give us some time to work it out. It's not like he is posting. Even if we ban him, he is still out there. I've banned IAmRob three times now so far, and the fucker keeps coming back.
Anytime a member says something else on the internet that is quacked up, a lynch mob forms to get that person banned from here? Am I reading that right?
Chances are he won't be back but I don't think he should be banned. I'm not saying what was said isn't appalling, I'm saying that it wasn't said here. That's my reasoning.
I've banned IAmRob three times now so far, and the Quacker keeps coming back.
And just think about what he did in the scope of, you know, life, compared to what Ron did. It really is pretty cut and dry.
But it's not Zapp. I know you and I have had our differences in the past. I'm putting that aside here. For every poster that has demanded a ban, I have had one that says we should not. We have to give this some thought.
Anytime a member says something else on the internet that is quacked up, a lynch mob forms to get that person banned from here? Am I reading that right?
Chances are he won't be back but I don't think he should be banned. I'm not saying what was said isn't appalling, I'm saying that it wasn't said here. That's my reasoning.
I can see this side of it too. Chances are, I agree, that he won' be back. But, if he does start posting here again, it is going to cause trouble (I can easily see why). I don't want to interact with him, so I won't if he is allowed to remain an active member. I didn't interact with him at all in the first place come to think of it.
Well, I have to do a Continuing Education on chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Don't smoke people. Then work. Then a Janelle Monáe concert at the Ryman. !!!!
I can see this side of it too. Chances are, I agree, that he won' be back. But, if he does start posting here again, it is going to cause trouble (I can easily see why). I don't want to interact with him, so I won't if he is allowed to remain an active member. I didn't interact with him at all in the first place come to think of it.
The issue that I'm having is the majority of people that are calling for the ban are people that have broken the rules here before. They have become the morality police on something THAT WASN'T EVEN SAID HERE. Now all of a sudden I have to worry about Facebook posts,what I say on other message boards, anything that could lead to me getting banned on Inforoo.
There's nothing saying anyone has to interact. I'm glad this was brought to our attention, don't get me wrong. I just have a hard time telling someone they aren't welcome here without any sort of response. Its a message board for Christs sakes. It's not like he's moving next door to you.
Serious question. I never saw when this happened. Was it last week? A year ago? 20 years ago? I never saw that, I'll be honest.
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The issue that I'm having is the majority of people that are calling for the ban are people that have broken the rules here before. Now all of a sudden they become the morality police on something THAT WASN'T EVEN SAID HERE.
Did you rape a child? I'd like to think there are certain things that are beyond "Everyone's got some skeletons in their closet". And I would hope that things like child rape, and, say, murder would fit that bill.
I can see this side of it too. Chances are, I agree, that he won' be back. But, if he does start posting here again, it is going to cause trouble (I can easily see why). I don't want to interact with him, so I won't if he is allowed to remain an active member. I didn't interact with him at all in the first place come to think of it.
The issue that I'm having is the majority of people that are calling for the ban are people that have broken the rules here before. Now all of a sudden they become the morality police on something THAT WASN'T EVEN SAID HERE. Now all of a sudden I have to worry about Facebook posts,what I say on other message boards, anything that could lead to me getting banned on Inforoo.
There's nothing saying anyone has to interact. I'm glad this was brought to our attention, don't get me wrong. I just have a hard time telling someone they aren't welcome here without any sort of response. Its a message board for Christs sakes. It's not like he's moving next door to you.
Serious question. I never saw when this happened. Was it last week? A year ago? 20 years ago? I never saw that, I'll be honest.
I think, and it is terribly difficult to decipher Ron's posts and the responses that follow suit on the Coachella board, that he had sex with 5 underage prostitutes sometime within the past 10 years. I could be mistaken. He also has somewhat defended himself for raping these girls (it's rape, I'm not gonna sugarcoat my words).
I can see your point, GL, absolutely. I don't think a guy who admits to this sort of thing is someone I want to be on the same message board with though. I will adjust my behavior accordingly no matter the outcome here- I am not screaming for a ban.
The issue that I'm having is the majority of people that are calling for the ban are people that have broken the rules here before. Now all of a sudden they become the morality police on something THAT WASN'T EVEN SAID HERE.
Did you rape a child? I'd like to think there are certain things that are beyond "Everyone's got some skeletons in their closet". And I would hope that things like child rape, and, say, murder would fit that bill.
Because you've never made f*cked up comments towards anyone on this board, right?
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Because you've never made f*cked up comments towards anyone on this board, right?
What are you even trying to say?
No, I have never said on this board anything that comes within a million miles on the Abhorrence Scale of "I had sex with 5 underage prostitutes/child sex trade slaves in Tijuana and I'm not sorry about it.". In fact, I haven't even ever gone so far as to sarcastically tell someone to kill themselves. (Which, again, would still be a million miles away)
Because you've never made f*cked up comments towards anyone on this board, right?
What are you even trying to say?
No, I have never said on this board anything that comes within a million miles on the Abhorrence Scale of "I had sex with 5 underage prostitutes/child sex trade slaves in Tijuana and I'm not sorry about it.". In fact, I haven't even ever gone so far as to sarcastically tell someone to kill themselves. (Which, again, would still be a million miles away)
No, it wasn't here. Waaay back in the day of irc. It's petty and I shouldn't have said that. If my internet was working right, I would have edited. I apologize for that. While we've had differences in the past, you've contributed more to this forum than I can even begin to think of.
I can see your point, GL, absolutely. I don't think a guy who admits to this sort of thing is someone I want to be on the same message board with though. I will adjust my behavior accordingly no matter the outcome here- I am not screaming for a ban.
I can both understand and respect that. I doubt I'd have anything to do with him either.
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I don't know what will happen. I am sure the other mods will sort it out, with my opinion in the moderator thread.
One thing is for sure, for me anyway. I have lost some respect for some people around here. And I guess I have probably lost some respect in a lot of peoples eyes. So it goes, that is life. I did not agree with some vocal people, all the while agreeing what he did was horrible. I get my integrity questioned and made the equivilent of a child rape sympathizer. Quack you, if that is what you think.
Has anyone who feels vehemently about this issue just asked the poster to stay away?
And possibly take their bargaining chip off the table? No. They haven't and they won't.
Jesus.
First, to Druid, thank you for doing the right thing here and not just dismissing this as "those a-holes on inforoo are bored again."
Second, Aquariumdrunk - who the f*ck are you? I think it'd be good to introduce yourself to the throngs of inforoo members and lurkers who haven't the slightest clue who you are. Your insinuation that this is about anything other than wanting a child rapist off the board is insulting. I know you won't care about insulting one of those "trolls," but it's insulting nonetheless. As has been pointed out, this isn't being leveraged against unbanning the Capp Dogg account. In fact, Dave (resident good guy and the furthest thing from a troll) was the first person to mention it in the discussion. Probably because it is absolute f*cking insanity that a duplicate account is banned not to ruffle a few feathers while housing child rapists is on the up-and-up.
If I was a drug dealer and chopped a guy's foot off with a machete, would you ban me? Because even criminals would view that with less disgust than HAVING SEX WITH A CHILD SEX SLAVE.
This isn't about you, AD, or I, or Juggs, or emoney. It's about noted and admitted sexual predator Colorado Ron not catching a banhammer when it's been doled out for much less (like posting photos of Skrillex in a Skrillex thread, for example). If the fun-hating contingent really refuses to let the Capp Dogg account reopened, fine, continue being petty, but the two have nothing to do with one another.
Post by nodepression on Nov 17, 2013 12:59:27 GMT -5
Big gap in this discussion between what is actually being discussed (banning a member who admitted to having sex with underage prostitutes,) to what a few people think is being discussed (a personal vendetta against their performance and a slippery slope to banning people for saying they took drugs or something.)
As has been pointed out, this isn't being leveraged against unbanning the Capp Dogg account. In fact, Dave (resident good guy and the furthest thing from a troll) was the first person to mention it in the discussion.
I am not really sure how the two got folded together myself. I think they are separate issues altogether that really have nothing to do with each other aside from that they involve the same cast of characters.
I really only weighed in on the Ron discussion when Druid asked for my opinion via PM (short version: ban him) largely because, like wannaberoo'ing, some of what has been going on in this thread makes me want to stay as far the f*ck away from this discussion as possible. I really wish that this board could have discussions on the regular that didn't devolve into bullsh*t. I know for a fact that some people (myself included usually) avoid discussions like this because of it. Their voices get silenced because some can't form and express their thoughts in an appropriate manner, and that is a shame. It also makes me wonder how many newer people shy away from really joining the community because they get the impression that that is how this board operates.
This isn't about you, AD, or I, or Juggs, or emoney. It's about noted and admitted sexual predator Colorado Ron not catching a banhammer when it's been doled out for much less (like posting photos of Skrillex in a Skrillex thread, for example).
This. If you remove the personalities of the involved posters, and ignore past grudges and conflicts, the right answer seems pretty clear: ban Ron. He had sex with children and he feels no remorse. Mods - don't worry about setting a precedent, because I doubt you're ever going to be confronted with off-board behavior this severe again. And if you are, you can ban accordingly. Anybody who thinks the mods are fascist for banning a scumbag like Ron can f*ck off.
My last post on this subject was pretty flippant, and I apologize for that. This is a serious issue, and I didn't intend to muddy the discussion with snark. I appreciate the difficult position this creates for the moderators, and I think mods like ITM, CKS, and Druid do an admirable job handling these situations.
I do think this issue is pretty cut and dry. I also think if some of the people who seem to care so much actually cared they would of stated their opinion and then shut up and let the mods figure it out. I used to get involved in every issue just for the fight (back in the dark days of Adam) and I see a couple people doing that here.
Whatever happens, who the fuck really cares. Put him on ignore. It's not like the access to Inforoo is some great privileged that when revoked will make him suddenly understand the wrong of his ways.
It's not like the access to Inforoo is some great privilege
It does allow him access to private message posters under 18 though.
There's also the issue of new posters who might join the board after the controversy dies down. Unless you add something to the Welcome Thread saying, "By the way, Colorado Ron is an unrepentant patron of the child sex trade, and you might want to put him on ignore," new posters are going to think he's just a harmless burnout.
If there was any evidence of him contacting underage members in hopes of sex I would think that would take the issue past internet justice and require the involvement of the proper law enforcement agency.
Second, Aquariumdrunk - who the f*ck are you? I think it'd be good to introduce yourself to the throngs of inforoo members and lurkers who haven't the slightest clue who you are. Your insinuation that this is about anything other than wanting a child rapist off the board is insulting.
Nice to meet you. I've been posting since 2004 and moderating since 2008 (?) or so. For some of us, post count isn't a contest, but congratulations on having something to say about every single thing that happens on the board. I'm really looking forward to seeing where your participation level is at after a decade on this board. If we weren't knee deep in trolling, from folks like yourself, active posting might seem more appealing.
If the fun-hating contingent really refuses to let the Capp Dogg account reopened, fine, continue being petty, but the two have nothing to do with one another.
So not only are we tacitly endorsing sex with child prostitutes, but we're petty to boot?! Come on, Flanzo. Please, go ahead and tell me more about the troll account crusade and how it has nothing to do with this.
