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I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are way down for many of the reasons mentioned(other festivals, bad economy), seems like the Panic addition(which I'm most grateful for) was a bit of a desperation move to sell tickets. I'll be really happy if the numbers are down 2003 was way more managable than 2004, the extra 20k or so people made for a lot of problems. Even less than 2003 would be perfect imo.
Well we just have to see, I dont think anyone knows the truth of the situation, except Superfly and music today. Honestly I bet it is the same as last year 80.000.
Ehh..I just noticed on the Roo website that VIP is sold out. How quickly did that sell out last year? I hope (but definitely won't be holding my breath) that they've cut the VIP area back this year - seeing as how it took a big chunk of the space last year that was previously tent only.
I could definitely see attendance being down this year - but I doubt they'd cap it at 60k - although that'd be kind of nice. I'm just happy it's not 100k like my first year in '04. That was crazy.
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Post by famousblueraincoat on May 30, 2008 10:18:11 GMT -5
I think the VIP tickets are automatically "sold out" when they have to ship tickets every year, because of the necessity of preparing everyone to go to a special location, etc. etc.
I think the VIP tickets are automatically "sold out" when they have to ship tickets every year, because of the necessity of preparing everyone to go to a special location, etc. etc.
they might sell fewer tickets, but i doubt they are looking to put a cap on them. I'm sure they are tryig to sell as many as possible, but the numbers may be lower because of many facotrs. Who knows though... I'm interested to see the numbers.
Post by Darth Boo Boo Kitty @#*& on May 30, 2008 12:52:09 GMT -5
You mean the people I see at the farm are actually there? I thought they only sold one ticket to me and the rest of you were in my head.
All joking aside, I wouldn't min if they cut it back to 60k. I found the Centeroo crowds to be a little much at some points last year. Usually that was a problem of my own making, though.
Post by Bob Noxious on May 31, 2008 1:10:36 GMT -5
I'm not really a Metallica fan, though I'm not opposed to them either.
Regardless of this, I think the person who thinks AC/SF made a huge financial mistake with Metallica is maybe a little out of touch. I know many of you find Metallica distasteful but come on....these guys are still huge and they are a bigger deal than Widespread or Pearl Jam or anyone else who will be there this year. Before ya'll get your panties in a wad...I didn't say better, I said bigger.
You know, I have never watched American Idol and hope I never do, but that doesn't mean that the show is about to go off the air.
Understand my analogy?
Everyone wants to have fun. My request is, don't be weiners and stay in camp as some sort of misplaced snub/protest of Metallica. At worse, you could go to the show, get stoned out of your mind and lay on the ground imagining you have just arrived in hell or something.
I have gone to some of the big night shows before for the sheer spectacle of it all. I never grow tired of the sight of all those people in the main venue. I have looked out at the crowd from the stage a few times and man....it will give you a shiver.
So if you can find it in your heart to pity AC/SF for their huge financial mistake with Metallica....please go and show your love....give them a shoulder to cry on while they go broke.
Well, the highest numbered ticket listed in the "ticket number" thread is in the 54,000s, and he got it less than two weeks ago.
I would imagine that's a pretty good indicator that ticket sales are down, especially since most people you talk to now will say "i couldn't get off work with that short notice."
Me, I'm ok with that. I think 60,000 would be awesome. I love the spectacle, but sometimes Centeroo is just too crowded.
I bought mine on the 26th of this month, so we're looking at (right now) just under 60,000.
This is highest I have seen. I have VIP and those are in the 80's. We know they sold about 3600 VIP tix this year so that needs to be added to the GA total also. Ticket sales may be down this year but I would still guess they sell about 70,000 tickets by the week of the festival. For any of these events there are always a subset that wait until the last minute to buy tickets.
Before anyone blames this band or that band, let's all remember the simple fact that there is a HUGE festival saturation this year.
Second simple fact: gas prices. For any mid-to-late decisions to drive to the middle of TN, an option to attend another festival (or none at all) is very attractive.
Next year will be interesting, not just for gas price reasons, but just to see which of these festivals survive after this year, even including long-established ones. The glimmer of hope is the fact that Bonnaroo is a very successful business now and they know how to make money even with a lower population than last year (i.e. it's likely that even 50,000 at Bonnaroo would still be profitable). Moreso even since they bought the farm.
Do they want it at 60k? Yes and no. No, of course, from a January vantage point. But there is a point, probably in April or May, where they reconfigure and get very comfortable as an operation in making 60k affordable, doable, and up to Roo standards. If they wanted 80k right now they could likely achieve it with an absurd push of advertising-- something that in media buys would eat up any profit gained and strain their own system. Right now they can plan logistically for 60k.
So- in my opinion- if it's at 60k it IS somewhat a choice and it is a matter of circumstances. When the circumstances look like it's sussing out a certain way they have to live with certain inevitabilities and find ways to trim so the profits work out (20k in food service, staff, etc. is a significant cut if you're counting on it). Plus, 60k at what many consumers and critics consider the best American festival of it's kind right now is a storm to be weathered, not a death knell like it would be for a new festival on fragile investment footing with very high necessary benchmarks for sustainability.
I bought mine on the 26th of this month, so we're looking at (right now) just under 60,000.
This is highest I have seen. I have VIP and those are in the 80's. We know they sold about 3600 VIP tix this year so that needs to be added to the GA total also. Ticket sales may be down this year but I would still guess they sell about 70,000 tickets by the week of the festival. For any of these events there are always a subset that wait until the last minute to buy tickets.
Yeah, I was late... but, there will be a decent number of people (like myself in previous years) that panic and buy their tickets, say, this coming week.
All in all, I'd say we'll have somewhere around 70,000.
its easy to prove. i havn't seen or spoken with anyone with a ticket number higher than 56000 I know one person bought theirs last week and got ticket number 55216. vip'ers all number in the 80000's. So it seems that 80000 tickets are available but so far they have only sold around 56000 general admission tickets. So I agree 65000 is probably close party on
its easy to prove. i havn't seen or spoken with anyone with a ticket number higher than 56000 I know one person bought theirs last week and got ticket number 55216. vip'ers all number in the 80000's. So it seems that 80000 tickets are available but so far they have only sold around 56000 general admission tickets. So I agree 65000 is probably close party on
Correlation not equalling causation we do have to be careful being too adamant on the math; I would be willing to bet that the people who bought their tickets earlier are the type to be planning on InfoRoo boards, while those buying later probably would lurk if visit at all...
Plus everyone seems to think that the magic 80k number is all general admission. Why wouldn't 80k be GA, Guests and VIP? With about 5-10k volunteers, service staff, etc?
If I were running a festival I would make everyone who bought tickets early online had very high numbers so that when they get them and chat online everyone thinks the festival is doing well but not sold out.
At worse, you could go to the show, get stoned out of your mind and lay on the ground imagining you have just arrived in hell or something.
I'd rather not have rocks pelted at me, thank you very much, although I don't think I'd have to try very hard to imagine I'd just arrived in hell, if that were the case.* However, in the words of the great Bob Dylan, "everybody must get stoned".
*(just to clarify, I'm not saying Metallica is bad, I'm saying that getting stones chucked at me is not something I'd pay money for. Not really my cup of tea)
If less tickets are sold, I really don't think it's the line-up. Not only are gas prices ridiculously expensive on top of a 300 dollar ticket, people are making less money and having to spend more on necessities. With gas prices rising, the price of goods rise (i.e. a gallon of milk where I'm from is five dollars). So...yeah. Economy. Sucks.
Post by drbrainfreeze on Jun 5, 2008 7:39:12 GMT -5
Ticket sales are down because:
- Economy/Inflation/Cost of Gas/Cost of Everything - Festival Saturation - Metallica - Big Addition Announcement of Announcement -> WSP - All Pre-Festival Hype over LZ
So 60k is good with me....here's the But.
But..what about next year? If Superfly takes a bath this year, I think we can look for a more pulled back event next year. Maybe less huge names. They'll still get a superact, but I don't think will see the depth. I wonder if superfly has once regretted spending $$ on metallica, kanye or chris rock this year?
Superfly is not in the festival business as an act of charity.
- Economy/Inflation/Cost of Gas/Cost of Everything - Festival Saturation - Metallica - Big Addition Announcement of Announcement -> WSP - All Pre-Festival Hype over LZ
So 60k is good with me....here's the But.
But..what about next year? If Superfly takes a bath this year, I think we can look for a more pulled back event next year. Maybe less huge names. They'll still get a superact, but I don't think will see the depth. I wonder if superfly has once regretted spending $$ on metallica, kanye or chris rock this year?
Superfly is not in the festival business as an act of charity.
They should have booked smaller, less expensive bands. Like I would rather see Tea Leaf Green than Kanye or Jack, or even Metallica for that matter (and I like Metallica). And TLG's tickets go for about $15 right now.
TLG was there last year tho - and they normally do not book bands two years in a row - there have been exceptions - I think - but it is outside the norm for them