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I'd be surprised... last year (or 2 years ago?) they cut it down from 100k to 80k or so, and they announced it publicly. I didn't see anything this year, and I'd be surprised if they'd drop the capacity by that much over the course of a few years. But I suppose it's possible.
Does you think they'll announce a sell-out. I know they have the past couple of years, and it kinda sounds good. When do you think they'll announce the sell-out this year? ???
I dont think it matters. I went to Echo last fall and they had 10,000 or so people show up and the vibe was awesome, camping was great, and it was really easy to get close for shows
Does you think they'll announce a sell-out. I know they have the past couple of years, and it kinda sounds good. When do you think they'll announce the sell-out this year? ???
they announced the sell out in the final day or two leading up to roo... whenever they feel it is fit to do so basically...
Post by plasticpepper on May 29, 2008 16:15:35 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if they cut it back again, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be true. I wonder what the reasoning would be, though - I hadn't really noticed any problems caused by having too many people, and I'm sure they'd like the extra 6 million bucks.
I dont think it matters. I went to Echo last fall and they had 10,000 or so people show up and the vibe was awesome, camping was great, and it was really easy to get close for shows
What a great little probably one time only festival that was.
Post by hibouxdufromage on May 29, 2008 17:17:16 GMT -5
I think 02 was around 60. It was much more comfortable in centeroo than in 04, with the extra 40k. I think they're over trying to sell as many tickets as they possibly can, now they're just managing it for the best experience for everyone.
I'd be surprised if they cut it back again, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be true. I wonder what the reasoning would be, though - I hadn't really noticed any problems caused by having too many people, and I'm sure they'd like the extra 6 million bucks.
perhaps they are satisfied with the money they are getting from this many people and feel like it will be more comfortable for everyone there with 20000 less people to bump into and fight for positions at the stage with.
I suspect that their cap is still 80K. They are still in a pissing contest with Coachella, Lolla, et al and they know that the numbers will end up in the media. I agree with others that they will announce a sellout around the 10th to discourage walk up traffic. Personally, 60K or 100K, I'll have a good time and crowds don't bug me. (The wait to get into Centeroo midday does suck with a large crowd, though, that's for sure...)
60-80k is perfect. I suspect that the numbers will be a little lower this year due to the lower-draw headliners.
I don't know about this, I think Pearl Jam alone will draw more people than Tool and the Police did. I think that Bonnaroo is getting to the point where the same people, for the most part, keep coming back out of tradition...not necessarily just based on whether or not 10 of their favorite bands are playing.
IMO the number will more than likely be lower and it has less to do with who is headlining and more to do with the down economy and high fuel prices. So far this year most major festivals have reported lower numbers of people attending as compared to years past.
Post by papernapkin on May 29, 2008 21:18:20 GMT -5
The bad economy and high gas prices will not only keep people from traveling, it will also kill off some lesser known festivals unfortunately. Roo won't feel the brunt of the downward spiral we are on but your local homegrown festival might. It will be interesting if Rothbury feels a hit because of it's location. Doubt it but we'll see. Seems a bad year to start a large festie.
I have the same concerns about Rothbury and other festivals and have stated it several times on this board.
In this article about Rothbury is says they are not even going to break even this year and that they did not expect to really get going until their third year.
I think the biggest issue Rothbury faces is not ticket sales this year. Being a new festival with a great lineup they will more than likely draw the numbers they are looking for this year. Their biggest issue is going to be the big increase in the cost of fuel and food which has greatly increased the cost of hosting a festival. I know they went into this knowing they would lose money at first however a lot of things have changed since they first made their business plan as these festivals take a long time to plan and execute. If they feel they have lost too much money and only see the same thing happening next year they may just decide to cut their losses pull out.
There's no way Superfly can sell as many tickets this year as last.
1. Headliners. When AC/SF announced The Police last year it was a huge announcement. Nobody had seen them in decades (yes, they did end up sucking). Tool ended up drawing in a large number on non-traditional Bonnaroo fans. Tool has a die-hard audience who generally love music. Pearl Jam this year is great, but most people have seen them numerous times in their hometime. Metallica is the huge disappointment for Superfly. They thought they could catch lightning in a bottle with Metallica and it failed miserably. Tool brought in big music fans. Metallica didn't sell tickets to its fanbase (who have mostly moved on to other things) but had a major negative impact in perception to potential ticket buyers. Booking Metallica as a headliner is probably the biggest financial mistake Superfly has ever made. 2. Other festivals. Unfortunately for AC/SF, their success has caused the creation of a gazillion copycat festivals around the country. Now people don't have to travel thousands of miles to see a slew of great bands. Ticket sales will naturally be down because of this. 3. Past service. Last year, people were very turned off by the people running the gates of Bonnaroo. The hard-core attitude of people working the gates seemed to take away from the overall good vibe of Bonnaroo. I think this is minimal in comparison to points 1 and 2, but it probably does play a part 4. Attrition. AC/SF handle this amazingly well every year. People attend for a couple of years and lose the excitement. They have to constantly shift gears in who they are attracting. This year, they went hard after the indie crowd and got their audience. Unfortunately, I doubt its enough to make up for the attrition of the jamband fanbase who now has a gazillion options of other festivals (notably Rothbury). 5. Techno. Sasha/Digweed had much better overall name recognition and other festivals (Camp Bisco) have a much deeper lineup.
Overall, I have to commend Superfly in keeping as much of their audience as they have. However, I'd be astonished if the total ticket sales come close to past years. Personally, I love Bonnaroo, love this lineup, and can't wait. Smaller works great for me.
60-80k is perfect. I suspect that the numbers will be a little lower this year due to the lower-draw headliners.
I don't know about this, I think Pearl Jam alone will draw more people than Tool and the Police did. I think that Bonnaroo is getting to the point where the same people, for the most part, keep coming back out of tradition...not necessarily just based on whether or not 10 of their favorite bands are playing.
Definitely possible. Remember this, when Bonnaroo tickets went on sale, this was the first Pearl Jam show in the southern States in years. There's a 655 page thread (holy crap, I was gonna esitmate it around 150 until I checked the board!) on the Pearl Jam message board called "Petition to Play the South", so there's definitely a few people that were/are anxious for a show...
Post by drumdemon44 on May 30, 2008 5:19:28 GMT -5
Slugme are you a concert promoter ? Just a bit of info for you, Metallica is in the top 3 for higest grosing bands.
"Tool brought in big music fans. Metallica didn't sell tickets to its fanbase (who have mostly moved on to other things) but had a major negative impact in perception to potential ticket buyers. Booking Metallica as a headliner is probably the biggest financial mistake Superfly has ever made."
How can you say this ? ? Do you work for AC ? Are you a concert promoter ? ? I have been in the music business for 12 years and have spent the last 6 touring , I feel they have done a good thing, how do you know Metalicas fan base left or didnt buy tix for the roo ? ? Every show they play they sell out ? A negative impact ? Please explain.
5. Techno. Sasha/Digweed had much better overall name recognition and other festivals (Camp Bisco) have a much deeper lineup.
Okay, so...first, I love Bonnaroo and all, but I don't go to Bonnaroo for the techno. Although they do have a few good acts, they're pretty lacking when it comes to good electronic music...look at the lineups for Coachella/Virgin Fest for example. If you're really going to a fest for techno though, you go to Ultra. So I don't think the lack of electronic music is a big deal with Bonnaroo fans...I mean I would like more, but I don't think that many people solely go to Bonnaroo for the techno.
Also, Tiesto is a bigger name than Sasha and Digweed. Tiesto sells out shows, headlines festivals, etc. Whereas Sasha and Digweed (although I like them and they're really good) do not. AC/SF booking Tiesto is a pretty big deal.
3. Past service. Last year, people were very turned off by the people running the gates of Bonnaroo. The hard-core attitude of people working the gates seemed to take away from the overall good vibe of Bonnaroo. I think this is minimal in comparison to points 1 and 2, but it probably does play a part
Whaaaaaa? Tell me about this 'hard-core attitude'. My experiences at the gate have always been smooth. It takes forever, sure, but what changed last year? I wasn't there.....
Talked to a friend of mine a few weeks ago that works security for Roo . . . he said ticket sales were way down compared to last year (he gave me numbers but cant remember what they were). They were hoping sales increased leading up to Roo. I will try to get an update from him and post it.