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not for me. it shows that the promoters don't have their priorities straight. i'm not one to bash ROO, but booking kanye in the first place was their first mistake, a bigger mistake was letting kanye have his way with the schedule, and the biggest was letting him go on 2 hours late and cutting PHIL short.
that phil latenight show was the most interesting thing on the roo lineup...
What a considerable amount of personal preference THAT is.
Roo is one of the few festivals that tends to learn quickly from mistakes, so I would hope Roovians would allow them some benefit of the doubt.
I think it's pretty legitimate not to want to give Superfly any more money after they snubbed Phil the way they did.
If Phil comes back, and I'm betting he will at some point, I would hope everyone can put their big boy pants and get over themselves. Even the Jack Johnson fans aren't whining as bad and they not only had their set cut short by a schedule change, but they were actually demoted from a headliner to the same slot that a comedian held the day before.
No way AC / Superfly wanted all of that to go down the way it did. Booking Kanye was not the initial problem, although certainly his ego obviously warranted a second look (but if ego should keep you out of Roo than there are plenty of jam and non-jam bands that would never play).
The lesson, I would hope, has to do with any artist with that kind of ego colliding with an otherwise highly respected logistical operation-- NOT some sort of lesson of, "see, this is why Roo shouldn't have that rap music." Bonnaroo has always been and continues to be very, very artist friendly-- you've heard every artist say it from Lesh to Radiohead-- so you know that everyone, including the artists, winces at the situation as it played out. MF'ing Levon Helm of all people was talking smack the next day- and not about Bonnaroo's new weakness.
Anyway. Sorry for the rant. But pouting brings out the worst in me.
And the fest was smaller in 2005, too - only around 73K tickets sold. Was that lineup not heady enough, too? Enough of your garbage - there are a million reasons why people didn't go to Bonnaroo this year, and all of your BS talk about the festival being dead and getting away from its roots is really getting tiresome.
Good call on the article- I think my security source was estimating from within the festival one day, not a final tally. Glad to hear it was up higher than I thought.
Moreover, that same security contact of mine is also doing security for other festivals, and one of those is apparently on the verge of cancellation due to low sales.
Good call on the article- I think my security source was estimating from w Moreover, that same security contact of mine is also doing security for other festivals, and one of those is apparently on the verge of cancellation due to low sales.
And the fest was smaller in 2005, too - only around 73K tickets sold. Was that lineup not heady enough, too? Enough of your garbage - there are a million reasons why people didn't go to Bonnaroo this year, and all of your BS talk about the festival being dead and getting away from its roots is really getting tiresome.
I might be wrong but I think they capped the ticket sales at 70,000 (ish) in '05
I think it's pretty legitimate not to want to give Superfly any more money after they snubbed Phil the way they did.
No way AC / Superfly wanted all of that to go down the way it did. Booking Kanye was not the initial problem, although certainly his ego obviously warranted a second look (but if ego should keep you out of Roo than there are plenty of jam and non-jam bands that would never play).
The lesson, I would hope, has to do with any artist with that kind of ego colliding with an otherwise highly respected logistical operation-- NOT some sort of lesson of, "see, this is why Roo shouldn't have that rap music." Bonnaroo has always been and continues to be very, very artist friendly-- you've heard every artist say it from Lesh to Radiohead-- so you know that everyone, including the artists, winces at the situation as it played out. MF'ing Levon Helm of all people was talking smack the next day- and not about Bonnaroo's new weakness.
"It's becoming almost a cliche, but every year surpasses the last in some really tangible way," says Capps. "I don't want it to sound in any way like we're resting our laurels, but it really had all the characteristics of a finely tuned machine and it was thrilling to see that in action."
Good call on the article- I think my security source was estimating from w Moreover, that same security contact of mine is also doing security for other festivals, and one of those is apparently on the verge of cancellation due to low sales.
Which festival would that be?
He wouldn't say. But he's working three this year as a supervisor.
hmmmmm.. a fest in the middle of nowhere in michigan that wasnt talked about on mtv and cnn, and didnt have ticket giveaways on every shitass radio station in the country, didnt sell out in its first year with only word of mouth advertising... that is surprising. its a pretty weak comparison now if next year only 15,000 show up to rothbury you might have a legit comparison. but im guessing it will hold steady or gain in attendancve.. not so sure i can say the same for your precious roo. i guess it depends on how many people want to pay 350 bucks to see incubus, spoon, korn, and NIN
EDIT-- has anyone ever heard me say heady, sick, or brah???? lol
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strumntheguitar
Bleary-Eyed Bonnawook Sir Strum, Master of Rum
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 7, 2008 20:08:21 GMT -5
I can honestly say that if it weren't for Inforoo I never would have even known Rothbury happened this past weekend. The news surely did not hit here in VA very much... I heard about Bonnaroo in 2002, and I was only in high school and without internet at the time.
Rothbury failed in the marketing aspect I think, but it appears they put on a grand fest so there's not too much bad things to be said about them. Plus... their tickets were pretty damn pricey for a first year festival. There's no way I'd ever pay that much to road trip it to michigan for a festie that I have no idea how organized it could turn out...
And all that aside... I don't think anybody claimed that the sole reason that Bonnaroo did not sell 80,000 tickets was because of Rothbury. Just about everyone I heard merely included it amongst the reasons that you believe caused lower ticket sales, Juggernaut.
i put spoon in because i think they will be there next year. not because i thought they were like the others. and it dont mean shit about what i like or dont like. id really like to see NIN. they were a favorite of mine growing up. its just a statement about where the fest has gone as a whole.
and i hate to break it to ya but middle of nowhere tennesee is not the same as middle of no where michigan. bonnaroo is centrally located to every major market in the eastern half of the united states. there are no major population centers north of rothbury... just a bunch of rednecks, canadians, and lots and lots of water and wilderness. but you can keep calling mie ignorant and closed minded if you like.
Well Detroit, Chicago, and NY are all much closer to Rothbury than Roo. St Louis is a wash, but realistically for almost all you Yankees Rothbury is much easier to get to.
also look at what type of competition was around for roo 02.... and even now it has little competition, although a lot more then it did in 02. rothbury has the ledges on the same weekend and all good the weekend after.... truthfully i think the fact that allgood has pretty much the same lineup as rothbury had alot to do with rothbury attendance. allgood is known to be a ragers paradise. why pay so much more to go to an unproven fest in michigan?
And all that aside... I don't think anybody claimed that the sole reason that Bonnaroo did not sell 80,000 tickets was because of Rothbury. Just about everyone I heard merely included it amongst the reasons that you believe caused lower ticket sales, Juggernaut.
Dude has, and in several different threads.
ahh, I hadn't seen that somehow. Or I probably did and conveniently forgot about it because it helped my argument sound better. It could be either one, really
And all that aside... I don't think anybody claimed that the sole reason that Bonnaroo did not sell 80,000 tickets was because of Rothbury. Just about everyone I heard merely included it amongst the reasons that you believe caused lower ticket sales, Juggernaut.
Dude has, and in several different threads.
lol you must have missed my kanye ruined roo, and metallica ruined roo, and tool ruined roo, , the police ruined roo, security ruined roo, the sh!tty shakedown situation ruined roo, no glowsticks ruined roo, garnier fructis ruined roo, and superfly ruined roothreads.... i dont know how you missed them....
Well Detroit, Chicago, and NY are all much closer to Rothbury than Roo. St Louis is a wash, but realistically for almost all you Yankees Rothbury is much easier to get to.
I dont know about driving-distance wise, but I think New York is just about the same distance from either Rothbury or Roo.
However, yeah, theres a lot of big cities right around Rothbury. You mentioned Chicago and Detroit, but Toronto isn't too far away either. Same with Cleveland, Indianapolis, and Milwaukee. I think it's kind of unfair to say Rothbury is in "middle of nowhere, michigan"
What does Manchester have within a couple of hours? Sure, Nashville, Atlanta, Memphis, Maybe St. Louis...none of those are near as big as Chicago, Detroit or Toronto.
So the location factor, IMO is pretty void.
*edit* I figure its posts like this that have taken my karma from 38 to -3 since Bonnaroo. lol
chicago is big... the other cities arent that big... not nearly as big as atlanta or even nashville and memphis(although i didnt look anything up.. i could be wrong). detroit is down to like half a million people. toledo will probably be bigger soon. and i may have forgotten to add that the detroit/cleveland area is the a$$hole of the universe. there are very few people into a rothbury type lineup around... there are a couple hundered people into good music and festivals in cleveland... i know because they all come to the ledges. and there are even fewer in detroit. im from the area. take my word for it. they are few and far between in the wastelands of cleveland and detroit. most of the people i meet at fests are from REALLY big cities and colleges. although we have our fair share of big ten schools im sure rothbury was only discussed in ann arbor.
hmmmmm.. a fest in the middle of nowhere in michigan that wasnt talked about on mtv and cnn, and didnt have ticket giveaways on every shitass radio station in the country, didnt sell out in its first year with only word of mouth advertising...
Are you kidding me? There were Rothbury ads in most major music mags and they did get Rolling Stone and MTV (news) coverage; I would be willing to bet that Rothbury had major radio media buys in Detroit, Chicago and others.
And Middle of Nowhere Michigan?
Let's all put our realism pants on now. Rothbury managed to get 40k people. Awesome, and good for them. They paid through the nose for a lineup to rival Roo/Lolla/Coachella (who drew 70k/140k/150k respectively).
Did Rothbury have this mythical quality of having more "jam" bands, whatever that means? Apparently so. Is this somehow a direct correlation to Roo having 7,000 less? As if all 7,000 who didn't go to Roo went to Rothbury? Maybe? Correlation does not equal causation. Your argument would have been better had Rothbury been overloaded this year and Roo down far more than less than 10% (by comparison, Coachella was down more than 20% this year over last).
Hey more power to them like I said, but please be careful in believing the hype or tripe. No matter what happened Dude would get on here and act like it somehow reinforces his opinion (even after his Radiohead mea culpa we went through it).
chicago is big... the other cities arent that big... not nearly as big as atlanta or even nashville and memphis(although i didnt look anything up.. i could be wrong). detroit is down to like half a million people.
Seriously, in the time you typed that you could have looked it up. Detroit at half a mil?
Detroit: Try over five million in the metro area (5,405,918). It's actually bigger than Atlanta (5,278,904).
Nashville? 1,486,695.
Memphis? 1,260,581 (but only if you count counties in adjacent states, and let's not forget Memphis is farther away from Roo than most realize- 4 hours +)
Heck, even Lansing and Grand Rapids have half a mil each...
So without even counting Chicago (9.7 million in metro area), we have a drawing area in two hours, within the same state, double that of Bonnaroo's in-state draw. Include Atlanta and Chicago and Rothbury's drawing area is still double.
Anyway, sorry to rain on anyone's parade with actual facts.
once again please refer to my posts about the dozens of other things that contributed to roo sucking.. i dont believe that rothbury is why roo had less people. roo was an over priced, over commercialized sh!tshow and that has been letting its core fans down for years. thats why it had less people. because die hard fans like my friends and i, and many others here on inforoo didnt go. it had little to do with rothbury... most of the jammy heady crunchy groovy brahs you love so much go to lots of fest. but they laugh at roo. they dont laugh it because of rothbury. i dont think they chose rothbury over roo. i think they just gave up on roo because... well look at it... its ajoke. and an overpriced one at that.
chicago is big... the other cities arent that big... not nearly as big as atlanta or even nashville and memphis(although i didnt look anything up.. i could be wrong). detroit is down to like half a million people.
well i was talking about detroit itself. not the 300 square miles around it. it really dosent matter... if you want to say that rothbury has plenty of big cities around it then im fine with that. but detroit and cleveland have no culture, at all. music is what ya hear on the radio. just look here on inforoo... there are thousands of people and maybe 6 from michigan. chicago has its music lovers. if i go see umphreys in detroit 3/4 of the people there will be from chicago and south bend. if i was going to throw a major national fest i would probably choose central kentucky or tn. it sure wouldnt be half way up michigan.
Seriously, in the time you typed that you could have looked it up. Detroit at half a mil?
Detroit: Try over five million in the metro area (5,405,918). It's actually bigger than Atlanta (5,278,904).
Nashville? 1,486,695.
Memphis? 1,260,581 (but only if you count counties in adjacent states, and let's not forget Memphis is farther away from Roo than most realize- 4 hours +)
Heck, even Lansing and Grand Rapids have half a mil each...
So without even counting Chicago (9.7 million in metro area), we have a drawing area in two hours, within the same state, double that of Bonnaroo's in-state draw. Include Atlanta and Chicago and Rothbury's drawing area is still double.
Anyway, sorry to rain on anyone's parade with actual facts.
well i was talking about detroit itself. not the 300 square miles around it. it really dosent matter... if you want to say that rothbury has plenty of big cities around it then im fine with that. but detroit and cleveland have no culture, at all. music is what ya hear on the radio. just look here on inforoo... there are thousands of people and maybe 3 from detroit and clevelnad. chicago has its music lovers. if i go see umphreys or DSO in detroit 3/4 of the people there will be from chicago and south bend. if i was going to throw a major national fest i would probably choose central kentucky or tn. its just in the middle... it sure as hell wouldnt be half way up michigan with nothing north of me but water. your more likely to find a sasquatch up there then someone who knows the name trey anastasio or keller williams
and in clevland and detroit youll do much better talking about eminiem, kidrock, icp, and 50 cent. although if you bring up keller williams they might try to buy a house off ya.
oh and ted nugent too.. i dont know how i forgot that little gem when talking music and culture in the detroit/cleveland area.
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strumntheguitar
Bleary-Eyed Bonnawook Sir Strum, Master of Rum
I am going to make a dude hates Bonnaroo thread please feel free to post all your negative poop in there. There are plenty of nice places in Cleavland (Rock and Roll hall of Fame), and Detroit. Also for someone who says they are a hippy that big a generalization shows a real lack of class.
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