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Very biased I agree, but still relevant And what do Wally World and fast food have in common? They go hand in hand. Wherever a Wally World shows up, Fast Food is not too far behind
Very biased I agree, but still relevant And what do Wally World and fast food have in common? They go hand in hand. Wherever a Wally World shows up, Fast Food is not too far behind
A: they treat there employees (who live in the area, and are largely poor) like crap B: they are able (since they don't depend on your business for dinner) to slash prices well below the locally owned business (until they all go under)
its goes on and on, but walmart sucks balls
A walmart moved into my town around 12-15 years ago, and I shop there all the time. The town is not crumbling from this horrible corporation. If employees don't like the way they are being treated, leave. Work at Target. Work at BJ's, Cosco, McDonald's, anywhere else. "Oh, you can't just leave your job, its not that easy" some might say. C'mon, jobs like these are a dime a dozen. If you don't want to work there, then they'll just take the next person in line, easy as that.
Are people still worried about mom and pop stores? What is this, the 50's? I say this as a member of a family business that employs all of 4 people. We ARE a mom and pop store. But I'm not trying to compete in retail. You just can't win if you're going up against a retail corporation. Its a simple matter of economy of scale.
Outsourcing jobs? Fine by me. Now I agree that violating labor laws and such should never be tolerated. But this is a business they are running. They are not trying to create world peace. If someone is willing to work for less money than you, they're going to get the job and you're not.
How are Walmart's goods lower quality than say, Target? Last time I checked, there was no "WalMart Brand." Its the same Cuisinart blender, the same Nintendo, the same iPod.
To say that shopping at WalMart makes you part of the problem is just silly. Thats like saying that buying druqs funds terrorism.
A: they treat there employees (who live in the area, and are largely poor) like crap B: they are able (since they don't depend on your business for dinner) to slash prices well below the locally owned business (until they all go under)
its goes on and on, but walmart sucks balls
A walmart moved into my town around 12-15 years ago, and I shop there all the time. The town is not crumbling from this horrible corporation. If employees don't like the way they are being treated, leave. Work at Target. Work at BJ's, Cosco, McDonald's, anywhere else. "Oh, you can't just leave your job, its not that easy" some might say. C'mon, jobs like these are a dime a dozen. If you don't want to work there, then they'll just take the next person in line, easy as that.
Are people still worried about mom and pop stores? What is this, the 50's? I say this as a member of a family business that employs all of 4 people. We ARE a mom and pop store. But I'm not trying to compete in retail. You just can't win if you're going up against a retail corporation. Its a simple matter of economy of scale.
Outsourcing jobs? Fine by me. Now I agree that violating labor laws and such should never be tolerated. But this is a business they are running. They are not trying to create world peace. If someone is willing to work for less money than you, they're going to get the job and you're not.
How are Walmart's goods lower quality than say, Target? Last time I checked, there was no "WalMart Brand." Its the same Cuisinart blender, the same Nintendo, the same iPod.
To say that shopping at WalMart makes you part of the problem is just silly. Thats like saying that buying druqs funds terrorism.
Well, to address your origional comment the ordinance was passed b/c walmart wanted to put a supercenter in the middle of an old residential neighborhood. Residents were more concerned about a 24-hr supercenter with massive truck shipments at all hours in their backyards.
But walmart does drive down wages, not just in their stores but throughout the community as well, violates labor laws habitually and sells lead-laden toys made in china. I worked there for a year and experienced first-hand how they treat their employees. That's why I can't shop their anymore.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
A walmart moved into my town around 12-15 years ago, and I shop there all the time. The town is not crumbling from this horrible corporation. If employees don't like the way they are being treated, leave. Work at Target. Work at BJ's, Cosco, McDonald's, anywhere else. "Oh, you can't just leave your job, its not that easy" some might say. C'mon, jobs like these are a dime a dozen. If you don't want to work there, then they'll just take the next person in line, easy as that.
Wal-Mart employees generally don't like working there, and do go to work elsewhere: 70% of Wal-Mart employees leave within a year of their hire date. If this doesn't speak volumes to how the corporation treats their employees, I don't know what does.
Are people still worried about mom and pop stores? What is this, the 50's? I say this as a member of a family business that employs all of 4 people. We ARE a mom and pop store. But I'm not trying to compete in retail. You just can't win if you're going up against a retail corporation. Its a simple matter of economy of scale.
It's also a simple matter of a monopoly, wouldn't you think? And yes, people are worried about mom and pop stores. Mom and pop stores are an essential part of small-town and even suburban culture that is extremely prevalent in modern day American life. Within two months of a Wal-Mart or similar store opening, a mom and pop store in the same area is almost guaranteed to go belly-up. They quickly become victims of a ruthless corporate imperialist movement.
But at least there's a Wal-Mart, so they can work there after their own business is trampled upon. That makes sense, at least historically; slavery has always gone hand-in-hand with the greed of imperialism.
Outsourcing jobs? Fine by me. Now I agree that violating labor laws and such should never be tolerated. But this is a business they are running. They are not trying to create world peace. If someone is willing to work for less money than you, they're going to get the job and you're not.
Outsourcing jobs is fine by you? That's kind of tough to swallow. But either way, Wal-Mart pushes the limit of or flat-out breaks labor laws. Their wages allow their employees to make just enough money to be slightly below the poverty line. Just because someone is willing to be impoverished because they don't have much other opportunity does not give a corporation the right to greedily take advantage of that situation. Sam Walton, the founder of Wal-Mart, was quoted to say"I pay low wages. I can take advantage of that. We're going to be successful, but the basis is a very low-wage, low-benefit model of employment." Hundreds of thousands of people have been forced to work off the clock, denied rest and lunch breaks, denied overtime pay, the list goes on and on. Audits have revealed extensive evidence of child labor laws being broken, with students working too many hours, too late on school nights, or even during school hours.
To say that shopping at WalMart makes you part of the problem is just silly. Thats like saying that buying druqs funds terrorism.
The two statements are nothing alike, not even a little bit. Shopping at Wal-Mart supports their business, and yes, makes you part of the problem.
Its not a matter of monopoly. Its a matter of economy of scale. If I buy 10,000 ipods, I get them for less than if you buy 10 of them. Therefore WalMart gets to sell them at a lower price. WalMart does not have a monopoly. There are plenty of other places in which you can purchase that same goods. And isn't competition good for the consumer? "Ruthless corporate imperialist movement" HA! Give me a break. You act like WalMart are a bunch of nazis trying to purge America of its small town culture. The only way that mom and pop stores can survive today is to offer something that the competition does not have. Thats not going to happen in retail.
Yes outsourcing jobs is fine by me. Now I did say that I do not believe in breaking labor laws and such and that actions like that should not be tolerated. But we are living in a global economy now people! If an American won't do the job, a Pakistani, or Chinese, or Brazilian, etc. will.
My "Buying druqs funds terrorism" statement was more in reference to the War on Druqs commercial that states simply that. Follow the chain back from the druq dealer peddling dime bags all the way back to Afghanistan poppy fields. That is the same thing as saying when you buy a tshirt from Walmart your money goes all way the back to a Chinese sweatshop.
MrKC sounds like a tried and true Capitalist...nothing wrong with that. But capitalism is not concerned with taking care of people, and neither is Walmart. I can buy your comments about out-sourcing and filling the jobs that noboby wants...to a certain degree. I wish we had a global economy that was truly about the whole globe's economy...not just fleecing third world populations to line the pockets of the world's elite.
Healthy food needs to be affordable. This is the first time in civilization, when the poor are obese and the wealthy are skinny. The rich can afford the health foods, gym dues, and personal trainers. Has anyone priced a bag of groceries at Whole Foods? I know this is not the whole answer, but it is a start.
^^^Yes, this.
Salmon and other good proteins are great, and I could eat salmon everday for the rest of my life..but ya know what? Its expensive. Macaroni and cheese and rice and processed foods arent so much. Carbs and no exercise will fatten ya up pretty quick too.
They should not outlaw fast-food-It comes down to personal responsibility, and yeah, people have to learn the hard way. That's going to take awhile. Next thing you know theyre gonna have underground fast food places up in S. LA.
wow-If we ever go to a 'national health care' system, the fast food issue would get ugly real quick, wouldnt it? They'd def. have control then.
Post by soundtribe_junkie on Aug 4, 2008 12:57:28 GMT -5
...Wal-Mart, Target, Costco, Sam's...Best Buy..alllllll those other ones arent going anywhere. They are part of America now....Chinese exports. Capitalism-live by sword-die by sword.
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Lou Dobbs is all over this issue...disturbing to watch. China has our economy by the ball sac.
How did they get the Olympics in Bejaaang again??? uh hummm...
the war on drugs argument was always flawed (depending on the drugs you buy) since the dude you know that sells heady corn is probably only a few times removed from the grower - who is more than likely American or possibly Canadian. if you buy heroin, then yeah, you are supporting afgan farmers - possibly with ties to terrorist organizations.
if you shop at walmart you will buy goods manufactured in the 3rd world, probably China. walmart sells so much, in a sense, they are dictating how its manufactured. the seller will have to do whatever it takes to drive the cost of manufacturing down a few pennies here and there in order to meet Walmarts price. when that happens, and when it happens in a country like China, you will see rampant environmental damage as well as poor working conditions. by shopping at walmart, you empower them.
its sad, really.
as far as the fast food, i dont have a problem with it. most people dont know what they are eating and macdonalds (et al) can jeapordize the health of its customers in the name of profit.
i believe in personal responsibility too, but there comes a time when a corporation becomes a huge unfettered entity - able to buy its way out of token fines and lawsuits over various infractions. as someone said, capitalism and compassion do not walk hand in hand.
Post by soundtribe_junkie on Aug 4, 2008 14:36:28 GMT -5
^^^Therefore..'a group' a.k.a the gob-urn-ment got to take the POWA! back from Chinese interest groups and what not...politicians laughing all the way to the bank on that. Of course, being cynical (and realistic )is easy. No one can complain if they walk in and buy stuff from these places.
I think this is short-sighted. It's not just fast food. I see people in my "transitioning" neighborhood buying brand name junk food for at the grocery store for their children when healthier options are available at the same price, so I don't think its about cost- its about culture. I mean, I don't pretend to know the answer, but its not as black and white as outlawing fast food. People need education, and incentives to feed their families right. A fast food moratorium is just gonna make them give their kids Lucky Charms instead of french fries for dinner.
this whole issue is about the culture...most moms now-a-days, spoil their children (no punishment for bad doings, giving in when a kid cries, etc), and when their kid pouts about getting fruits and juices vs cookies and sodas they usually go with the kids choice...its easier to say "open that bag of chips" than it is to actually peel an orange for your kid, its easier to go buy mcdonalds value meals for dinner than it is to actually cook a wholesome meal for your family...but, thats our culture now-a-days...i really dont think that more education would be helpful, i mean, how do you explain more sex ed classes in schools (learning of pregnancies and diseases would definately make the ordinary person be a little more cautious when engaging in sexual activities) and yet there are more high school students than ever that are pregnant or have some std...and as far as incentives to make healthy choices, i think not getting diabetes, not having heart problems, not having high blood pressure/cholesterol are all pretty good incentives to make healthier choices...there is no easy way out of the obese "epidemic", but i can tell you that it all starts with taking individual responsibility, it starts with parents raising their kids right and not the easy way...people need to stop blaming the restaurants for their own choices that they make
on another note, should obama win the election and we give medical care for everyone (INCLUDING ILLEGAL ALIENS), imagine what is going to happen to all of our taxes when all these "disabled/obese" people start having clotted arteries, heart failures, and diabetes...i hate to think how we're all going to have to pay for the bad eatting decisions people make today
We could pay for it by nationalizing our natural resources. If the government owned the oil and the coal and the natural gas, etc., we could provide a bunch of services to our people. But that smacks of socialism to most people, so don't look for it any time soon. God save the empire.
Sidebar, but the example you used for education is not a good one. True, teenagers receive sex education in high school, but the type of education they receive is abstinence-only education, which actually leads to higher rates of teen pregnancy and stds. Teenagers who receive abstinence-only education are not less likely to have sex, just less likely to use a condom.
When comprehensive sex ed is used, the rates of teen pregnancy and stds drop.
MrKC sounds like a tried and true Capitalist...nothing wrong with that. But capitalism is not concerned with taking care of people, and neither is Walmart. I can buy your comments about out-sourcing and filling the jobs that noboby wants...to a certain degree. I wish we had a global economy that was truly about the whole globe's economy...not just fleecing third world populations to line the pockets of the world's elite.
You got the capitalist part right. I'd probably consider myself something of a fiscal conservative/ social liberal. I hear what you're saying in terms of fleecing 3rd world populations, however I don't feel this is the case in all outsourcing applications. I don't feel that those in India are being taken advantage of when customer service jobs go over there. But I definitely think companies are taking advantage of sweatshops and the like.
IMO, people like to blame "Big Business" for things that they could fix themselves. Tying it back into this fast food business: Its easier to blame McDonald's than it is to get off your butt and go jogging.
Its easier to blame McDonald's than it is to get off your butt and go jogging.
its also cheaper to eat at mcdonalds than it is to get to the store and buy quality food because mcdonalds has their hands all over the food industry, from cattle ranches to potato farms
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
Post by soundtribe_junkie on Aug 5, 2008 17:17:15 GMT -5
Protein and unprocessed foods are expensive compared to carby processed foods...I notice a MONGO difference when I shop one way...then the other. Healthy is simply more expensive. Yeah, there's beans and rice, but you eventually need some protein-if youre not into soy. I get paid once a month...so this particular issue has been 'forced' into awareness. Sux.
I want to find the person who thinks McD's is good for them...it's THEIR fault not anyone elses...also it always seems people complaing about not having the money to buy things either smokes or drinks or does some form of no-no works, I'm not saying everybody, but I am saying a statically alarming number...
I'm the opposite of moderate, immaculately polished With the spirit of a hustler and the swagger of a college kid Allergic to the counterfeit, impartial to the politics Articulate but still would grab a ni**a by the colla quick
I'm the opposite of moderate, immaculately polished With the spirit of a hustler and the swagger of a college kid Allergic to the counterfeit, impartial to the politics Articulate but still would grab a ni**a by the colla quick
Sidebar, but the example you used for education is not a good one. True, teenagers receive sex education in high school, but the type of education they receive is abstinence-only education, which actually leads to higher rates of teen pregnancy and stds. Teenagers who receive abstinence-only education are not less likely to have sex, just less likely to use a condom.
When comprehensive sex ed is used, the rates of teen pregnancy and stds drop.
(sorry to sidebar, but RH is my specialty )
i could be wrong, but since i dont see anyone by the name of sidebar im going to assume that comment was made to me...that being the case, i can see your argument, but now let me rebuttal by saying that it could be the same about the trans fat argument...the information is out there about trans fat, but people choose not to listen...i guess we could go with the "comprehensive" route and teach kids to ask for skim cheese, wheat buns, soy patties, and all organic veggies...if we cant abstain people from eating fast food, we can at least lower their chances of the harmful effects with protection
this in no way is trying to belittle your argument bamadancer, because it is a good argument, but thats kind of the way i view the issue
btw...kinda messed up that with all the education the schools in texas give regarding abstinence and protection, the state is considering just skipping the whole sex-ed program and replace it with a parental skills course!!!
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
Its easier to blame McDonald's than it is to get off your butt and go jogging.
its also cheaper to eat at mcdonalds than it is to get to the store and buy quality food because mcdonalds has their hands all over the food industry, from cattle ranches to potato farms
Even if you eat at McDonald's because you cannot afford anything else, you can still jog. So the "too poor to afford quality/healthy food" argument doesn't hold water in my mind. Its one thing when people eat unhealthy foods, but its another when they refuse to exercise. At that point it is no longer entirely the food's fault.
its also cheaper to eat at mcdonalds than it is to get to the store and buy quality food because mcdonalds has their hands all over the food industry, from cattle ranches to potato farms
Even if you eat at McDonald's because you cannot afford anything else, you can still jog. So the "too poor to afford quality/healthy food" argument doesn't hold water in my mind. Its one thing when people eat unhealthy foods, but its another when they refuse to exercise. At that point it is no longer entirely the food's fault.
Not only that, but the notion that eating well is only affordable for the rich is a myth. My wife and I have cut nearly all processed foods out of our diet, buying only whole foods (rice, flour, fresh veggies and a bit of meat and fish), and have drasically improved our diet and cut our budget. It just takes cooking. Buying locally from farmer's markets and local farms also cuts costs by reducing transportation costs. You can eat well on the cheap, you just have to cook, and reduce your relience on meat and cheese.
That said, I still think it's totally appropriate for community leaders to say enough is enough. They're not forbiding people from eating fast food. The fact that people are so up in arms over a new-store moritorium for 1 year speaks volumes to the addictive quality of fast food. Only smokers bitch more.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
That said, I still think it's totally appropriate for community leaders to say enough is enough. They're not forbiding people from eating fast food. The fact that people are so up in arms over a new-store moritorium for 1 year speaks volumes to the addictive quality of fast food. Only smokers Ann Coulter more.
i agree with you -- for the record i haven't eaten fast food other than on road trips in a year or more, and swim and play disc golf.
i am able to get free jersey mikes subs because i work there so thats cool too
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
MrKC sounds like a tried and true Capitalist...nothing wrong with that. But capitalism is not concerned with taking care of people, and neither is Walmart. I can buy your comments about out-sourcing and filling the jobs that noboby wants...to a certain degree. I wish we had a global economy that was truly about the whole globe's economy...not just fleecing third world populations to line the pockets of the world's elite.
You got the capitalist part right. I'd probably consider myself something of a fiscal conservative/ social liberal. I hear what you're saying in terms of fleecing 3rd world populations, however I don't feel this is the case in all outsourcing applications. I don't feel that those in India are being taken advantage of when customer service jobs go over there. But I definitely think companies are taking advantage of sweatshops and the like.
IMO, people like to blame "Big Business" for things that they could fix themselves. Tying it back into this fast food business: Its easier to blame McDonald's than it is to get off your butt and go jogging.
To clarify: Any government has the right (I guess) to say what can and cannot be built on it's property. But I disagree that any government representing a free society has the right to tell its citizens how to live, as long as they aren't harming others (I agree with smoking bans). As others have stated, there are many ways to remain healthy and eat properly. If you choose to bulk up on carbs and fat, that is your choice and you face the consequences of your actions, IMHO.
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