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LOS ANGELES - In the impoverished neighborhood of South Los Angeles, fast food is the easiest cuisine to find — and that’s a problem for elected officials who see it as an unhealthy source of calories and cholesterol.
The City Council was meeting to vote Tuesday on a moratorium on new fast-food restaurants in a swath of the city where a proliferation of such eateries goes hand-in-hand with obesity.
“Our communities have an extreme shortage of quality foods,” City Councilman Bernard Parks said.
The aim of the yearlong moratorium, which was approved last week in committee, is to give the city time to try to attract restaurants that serve healthier food.
The California Restaurant Association says the moratorium, which could be extended up to two years, is misguided.
Fast food “is the only industry that wants to be in South LA,” said association spokesman Andrew Casana. “Sit-down restaurants don’t want to go in. If they did, they’d be there. This moratorium isn’t going to help them relocate.”
The proposed ban comes at a time when governments of all levels are increasingly viewing menus as a matter of public health. Last Friday, California became the first state in the nation to bar trans fats, which lowers levels of good cholesterol and increases bad cholesterol.
It also comes as the Los Angeles City Council tackles issues beyond safety, schools and streets. The council last week decided to outlaw plastic bags.
Fast-food restaurants have found themselves in the frying pan in a number of cities. Some places, including Carmel-by-the Sea and Calistoga, have barred “formula” restaurants altogether; others have placed a cap on them — Arcata allows a maximum of nine fast-food eateries; others have prohibited the restaurants in certain areas, such as Port Jefferson, N.Y., in its waterfront area.
Most initiatives were designed to preserve a city’s historic character. The Los Angeles bid is one of few that cite residents’ health.
The mounting pressure has caused chains to insert healthier food choices in their menus. McDonalds offers salads and low-fat dressings; Burger King stocks Kids Meals with milk and apple pieces.
That’s why the restaurant industry says it’s unfair to blame them for fat people.
“What’s next — security guards at the door saying ’You’re overweight, you can’t have a cheeseburger’?” Casana said.
But public health officials say obesity has reached epidemic proportions in low-income areas such as South Los Angeles and diet is the key reason.
According to the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, 30 percent of adults in South Los Angeles area are obese, compared to 19.1 percent for the metropolitan area and 14.1 percent for the affluent westside. Minorities are particularly affected: 28.7 percent of Latinos and 27.7 percent of blacks are obese, compared to 16.6 percent of whites.
Councilwoman Jan Perry, who proposed the measure and represents much of South Los Angeles in her 9th District, says that's no accident. South LA residents lack healthy food options, including grocery stores, fresh produce markets — and full-service restaurants with wait staff and food prepared to order.
A report by the Community Health Councils found 73 percent of South L.A. restaurants were fast food, compared to 42 percent in West Los Angeles.
If the moratorium is passed, Perry wants to lure restaurateurs and grocery retailers to area.
Rebeca Torres, a South Los Angeles mother of four, said she would welcome more dining choices, even if she had to pay a little more. “They should have better things for children,” she said. “This fast-food really fattens them up.”
^^that's true - their menu can be very deceiving. And while I agree with handgunhips that it's a good thing to provide people with healthier options, I don't think this is the way to do it. It's clear that obesity is a major problem in this country, but this is not the way to take care of it. Offering healthier options is one thing; banning unhealthy options is a completely different matter. I don't think everyone should have to suffer because some people can't exercise a little self-control. That's like saying that nobody should be able to drink because some people are alcoholics. I'm in the proper weight range for someone of my age and height, but that still doesn't mean I want to be reminded of how fattening that blueberry muffin and large coffee are next time I go into a coffee shop by having to look at the posted calorie count (as they've done at Starbucks and some other chains in certain cities).
I think this is short-sighted. It's not just fast food. I see people in my "transitioning" neighborhood buying brand name junk food for at the grocery store for their children when healthier options are available at the same price, so I don't think its about cost- its about culture. I mean, I don't pretend to know the answer, but its not as black and white as outlawing fast food. People need education, and incentives to feed their families right. A fast food moratorium is just gonna make them give their kids Lucky Charms instead of french fries for dinner.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 30, 2008 8:26:12 GMT -5
We live in a country where some people will drive to their mailbox to check their mail. If we banned fast food, these people would be more encouraged to walk and exercise more in general.
There are plenty of healthy options, like making your own damn meals. IMO, this obesity "epidemic" is absurd. When I hear the word epidemic, I think of a plague or something you have no control over. To call obesity an epidemic is to take responsibility off of these fatties and put it on society. They treat fast food restaurants like they're drug pushers or something. Just like the War on Drugs, we're seeing the War on Trans Fats. I don't get it. At some point, people are going to be so fat that they start dropping dead at 35. And its no one's fault but their own.
What's next? More of the government telling people how to live, IMHO. I'm not saying you should eat fast food everyday,every meal. BUT, when I walk into McDonald's, I KNOW what I'm getting. It's a CHOICE I make. You might even say [gasp] it's a freedom of choice. Someday soon you might have to up-link your "FDA Balanced Meal Info Card" so the feds can ensure you're meeting nutritional requirements.
^^that's true - their menu can be very deceiving. And while I agree with handgunhips that it's a good thing to provide people with healthier options, I don't think this is the way to do it. It's clear that obesity is a major problem in this country, but this is not the way to take care of it. Offering healthier options is one thing; banning unhealthy options is a completely different matter. I don't think everyone should have to suffer because some people can't exercise a little self-control. That's like saying that nobody should be able to drink because some people are alcoholics. I'm in the proper weight range for someone of my age and height, but that still doesn't mean I want to be reminded of how fattening that blueberry muffin and large coffee are next time I go into a coffee shop by having to look at the posted calorie count (as they've done at Starbucks and some other chains in certain cities).
/end rant.
While I agree that I think this would be completely ridiculous, and I don't think fast food should be banned (come on, who doesn't crave some McDonalds or Burger King randomly sometimes), I still think that people need to know what they're putting into their bodies. I'm pretty well aware of what I'm doing when I order fast food, but a lot of times, like you said, menus can be deceiving. People (including myself) may not realize that that blueberry muffin at Starbucks comes in at 500 calories, and adding a coffee on top of that can bring your breakfast to 800 calories or so. I like being able to look at the calorie count so I can make sure that I am making a good choice. This is hard to do at a lot of restaurants.
I agree, more education and awareness is needed. This is a statement about our society...studies have shown poorer people are fatter because they can't afford healthy options, or there aren't as many options available to them. So what do they go with? What's available and what's cheap. Healthier options need to be encouraged everywhere.
Healthy food needs to be affordable. This is the first time in civilization, when the poor are obese and the wealthy are skinny. The rich can afford the health foods, gym dues, and personal trainers. Has anyone priced a bag of groceries at Whole Foods? I know this is not the whole answer, but it is a start.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jul 30, 2008 22:49:06 GMT -5
It's not a ban. It's a moratorium on new restaurants for one year. My community has a permanent moratorium on big-box-type stores like super Walmart* because they degrade the quality of the community. I think the same could be argued about fast food.
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Speaking of apple fries, I read somewhere about a study where children thought the same exact food tasted better if it came in a fast food container. Like apples in a french fry bag, for example. Yes, health food is expensive, but there are plenty of healthier options available to cook for your family that are cheaper than eating fast food if you are willing to look and know what you are looking for. Parents just do what is easier & familiar, unfortunately. Its just our culture and I don't think the government can fix it with moratoriums.
I think there are so many other, more important things the government could be worried about. Take L.A. for instance...how about a ban/moritorium/whatever on...hmmm, I don't know...smog?!? I have a feeling that is killing people as well.
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A: they treat there employees (who live in the area, and are largely poor) like crap B: they are able (since they don't depend on your business for dinner) to slash prices well below the locally owned business (until they all go under)
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
"To me Wal-Mart is the epitome of everything that is bad in our country right now. Outsourcing of jobs to China. Low quality dangerous goods. Putting mom and pop stores out of business and making the entire country look like a homogenized genericana wasteland."
"Walmart is actively evil. Eviscerating middle class family stores? Evil. Workers rights violations, shoddy pay, dangerous products made for the poor, ironically made by the poor of the third world. Evil. They make a profit off of screwing people over."
Let me be clear. If you shop at Wal-Mart then you are funding China's human rights abuses. If you shop at Wal-Mart then you are condoning the homogenization of America into schlock retail crap. If you shop at Wal-Mart then YOU are part of the problem.
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
right... good for vagrants such as ourselves who are in need of some cheap goods
bad for the taxpayers in the neighboring areas who are forced to finance the law enforcement, while walmart sits on their ass and doesn't bother spending a few grand on better security
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**