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^Clarity I am not trying to talk down to you, however I do feel that if Phish plays festivals Rothbury would not be on the list for all the reasons you have brought up that Phish would not play a festival. Whether or not you like Bonnaroo they have a proven track record for handling a 80,000 plus rowdy crowd. This would Be Rothburys second year, and if they had Phish they would easily be double the size of last year, plus you would get gatecrashers galore. I don't actually think they would want that for a second year festival but I could be wrong. I just do not think there is another festival in the US that could handle what Phish would bring.
I think there are a lot of different ways to look at it. Plus there is the fact that Rothbury is still struggling with the land issue, and bands like Phish are trying to set up their tour dates NOW.
I definitely don't mind folks espressing a different opinion. I just don't like it being expressed in such a demeaning way like what's his face does.
Some of you people need to pay respect where its due. Phish is the reason festivals like Bonnaroo exist. Believe me I enjoyed the festival much more when Kanye West wasn't involved with it. With the exclusion of Radiohead and Tool I have found most of these "diverse" headliners over the last few years to be boring and uneventful. Forgive me, but it was "our" fest before a good number of you even knew it existed. A ton of bad poop has come with Bonnaroo's more "expansive" direction. I'm not saying Phish crowds aren't sketchy, but most of them know how to do a fest properly and handle their poop. Many of the people attracted to Bonnaroo's recent line ups seem to be incapable of doing this. The whole atmosphere has sucked the last couple years. You homos can go listen to Belle and Sebastian or whatever while Trey is melting faces and Cactus is pwn'ing souls.
You guys really don't get it. Seriously. Pay respect where it is due.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
I guess it just gives the rest of us an indication of whether you are a Summers breeze in a sack or not.
When I first got here this was a place to get information about Bonnaroo. Now it's mostly a place for dumbasses to say dumbass stuff. This place has really jumped the shark the last few years.
I disagree. If the measure of jumping the shark on the boards is "dumbassery", the shark was likely jumped from the get go.
I've been posting on the boards for a few years now, and every year I've posted here, there have been dumbass posts, myself not excluded (I believe I was in the "Metallica will never play Roo" and "2007 will have a Thursday headliner" camps).
If you're looking for dumbass posts on Inforoo, the Troo Music Lounge is definitely your best bet. And yet, somehow, every year, there is at least one major piece of the lineup broken on these boards. Someone gets it right and if you follow things here, generally speaking, there are not that many surprises when the lineup does eventually go official. Which is why people who are interested in such things come here and lurk despite being subjected to shark jumping dumbasses.
Post by StreetBum87 on Dec 18, 2008 12:01:20 GMT -5
i know......PHISH PLAYS ROO, PHISH PLAYS ROTH......it does not matter.....THEY ARE BACK TOGETHER..if you like them...yay..if you dont..no biggie....goto whatever fest you want...whether phish is there or not. if you want to see them...see them, if you dont want to..dont.....it should not matter to the point of bitching and moaning and fighting......roth kicked ass last year..good for them if they get phish...roo kicks ass all the time...good for them if they get phish....if they dont..still gonna be awesome festivals....... argument settled
^Clarity I am not trying to talk down to you, however I do feel that if Phish plays festivals Rothbury would not be on the list for all the reasons you have brought up that Phish would not play a festival. Whether or not you like Bonnaroo they have a proven track record for handling a 80,000 plus rowdy crowd. This would Be Rothburys second year, and if they had Phish they would easily be double the size of last year, plus you would get gatecrashers galore. I don't actually think they would want that for a second year festival but I could be wrong. I just do not think there is another festival in the US that could handle what Phish would bring.
I think there are a lot of different ways to look at it. Plus there is the fact that Rothbury is still struggling with the land issue, and bands like Phish are trying to set up their tour dates NOW.
I definitely don't mind folks espressing a different opinion. I just don't like it being expressed in such a demeaning way like what's his face does.
I think the likelihood of Phish playing both roo and rothbury is low but I wouldnt rule them out from Roth if things get settled soon. Just because Phish is there doesnt mean that they'd need to sell 80,000 tickets. Demand for one night will be high but it doesnt mean they cant be prepared.
Metallica headlined last year. Phish will be headlining next year.
BIG Difference.
Bonnaroo didn't sell-out last year because a lot of the regulars jumped ship for Rothbury. With Phish at roo all those people will come back. I guarantee a sell-out.
Stop it. Just stop. I've heard many, many people on here discuss the various reasons why Bonnaroo didn't sell out last year, most often noting that the lineup wasn't what regulars expected, that everyone "jumped ship" for Rothbury, or All-Good, or whatever.
There are no definitive facts that point to the lineup, or the presence of one other festival, or anything, that account for lower ticket sales last year. For insance, I'm a "Bonnaroo regular" - I've been to every one since the start, with the exception of 2008. Why didn't I go last year? It had nothing to do with the lineup, or Rothbury, or anything related. It simply was due to the fact that gas was so expensive that to make the trip would have cost twice what it had in previous years for me.
I mean, do people really think that it was the same 80 - 100K going to Bonnaroo every year since 2002, who al just up and decided to not go last year? The crowd is ever-changing. I have been with a different group almost every year I go, because people have all kinds of reasons for making that trip. To try and point to one factor (the lineup) is crazy. I'd argue that last year's lineup easily topped 2007, which had probably the three worst headliners I've ever seen.
Regarding Phish, and the impact they have on Bonnaroo ticket sales this year - I don't think anyone can conclusively say that their debut on the farm will prompt an immediate sell out. For one thing, all data suggests they'll be doing a full summer tour. Many heads will choose to see them on their own tour dates, rather than drop a large amount of cash to see them at Bonnaroo. I would argue this goes for casual fans as well - if you're interested in Phish, and they're playing a show in, say, Knoxville which will cost you 50 bucks, or they're playing Bonnaroo which will cost you 300, which are you likely to choose? (that is, assuming you weren't going to Bonnaroo anyway)
Unless someone comes out with reliable data that shows exactly how many people didn't go to Bonnaroo last year because of the lineup, or because of Rothbury, or because of the economy, or because of whatever, we will never know. Anything else is just speculation, and trying to present it as fact is just irresponsible.
Stop it. Just stop it.
I've been watching as people try to pretend that last year's line-up had nothing to do with the poor ticket sales. You want hard data? What, should I take a poll? Maybe I should hire Survery USA to run a phone bank for me. Come on. I can't argue my point if I don't have some statistical analysis for you? Yes, some of what I said is specualtion. I have conceded that the failure of 'roo to sell-out last year was due to a culmination of factors. That being said, I think it is impossible to deny that the line-up was a major one. Look at the sheer number of people who, after the line-up came out last year, decided they were not going. I am fairly confident it was a much higher number than in years passed. I suppose I could go back and look at all the inforoo threads from the month of Februrary, count the number of people who said they were not going, and then extrapolate some number based on the general inforoo population. But I don't care enough to do that, as I get the impression that nothing I tell you will change your mind.
I do not appreciate they way you characterized my argument in your post.
"I mean, do people really think that it was the same 80 - 100K going to Bonnaroo every year since 2002, who al [sic] just up and decided to not go last year?"
No, and I have not heard anyone suggest that either. OBVIOUSLY different people go every year. However, there is a core audience. One could call it the Bonnaroo faithful - and a lot of them were not there last year. From my own personal experience: every single one of my friends that usually goes to Bonnaroo with me, did not attend the festival this past year. Usually there is a group of 5-10 of us who make the trip. Last year, it was just myself and my girlfriend. Everyone else went to another festival, claiming a "better line-up". Now I'm sure that my personal account is not the data you are looking for. But I am also sure that I am not alone in my story. Last February I watched dozens of inforoosters complain about their distaste for the line-up and declare that they weren't going. I know that happens every year, but it seemed to be at a much larger rate than last year.
"Regarding Phish, and the impact they have on Bonnaroo ticket sales this year - I don't think anyone can conclusively say that their debut on the farm will prompt an immediate sell out."
Once again, I'm not sure who has said this - it was not me. I am confident that it will sell-out, maybe not immediately; but I think you underestimate how rabid Phish's fanbase is. It is difficult to estimate their number, as they travel in packs, refuse to participate in the census, and seem to be able to multiply a-sexually in parking lots when supplied with enough grilled cheese and pot. There are a lot of Phish fans, and they have been waiting for this reunion tour for almost five years. They will flock to 'roo, and it will sell-out. You want some data for that? Look at how fast Hampton sold out.
I've got some more data for you, but I'm still waiting for the super-computer to warm up. Wait patiently, and when we've cross-tabulated all the matrices and factored in the bell curve (not forgetting to, of course, apply Euler's law), I will have some more info for you.
but I think you underestimate how rabid Phish's fanbase is. It is difficult to estimate their number, as they travel in packs, refuse to participate in the census, and seem to be able to multiply a-sexually in parking lots when supplied with enough grilled cheese and pot.
So, if Rothbury happens, and if Phish really is playing festivals, they will play Rothbury. There are definitely some "ifs" there though.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but that is just ridiculous. Have you ever SEEN Phish? B/c I can't imagine someone who has actually seen Phish thinking this.
So, if Rothbury happens, and if Phish really is playing festivals, they will play Rothbury. There are definitely some "ifs" there though.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but that is just ridiculous. Have you ever SEEN Phish? B/c I can't imagine someone who has actually seen Phish thinking this.
No haven't SEEN Phish. I came around a little too late. But I do know music, and I know festivals, and I have contacts. So please don't call me reduiculous. Trey's first show back was Rothbury, remember? And the mini-reunion there? I'm not saying that the Roo rumor is not true. We won't know for sure until the lineup comes out. I'm saying if they do do festivals (including Roo), the chances of them also doing Rothbury are good too (assuming Rothbury happens of course)
So, if Rothbury happens, and if Phish really is playing festivals, they will play Rothbury. There are definitely some "ifs" there though.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but that is just ridiculous. Have you ever SEEN Phish? B/c I can't imagine someone who has actually seen Phish thinking this.
Would you elaborate on why you say this is a ridiculous statement.
I don't understand why people care about this little number that is called karma. It doesn't bother me either way.
The low karma helps us easily identify a consistent Summers breeze in a sack. This helps so that we know whose opinion really isn't worth a bucket of sh!t.
It's ridiculous b/c Phish isn't going to tour the festival circuit. They just aren't. Anyone who has been around Phish for any length of time will tell you this.
Mark my words. Bonnaroo will be the only multi-band fest they play this summer.
It's ridiculous b/c Phish isn't going to tour the festival circuit. They just aren't. Anyone who has been around Phish for any length of time will tell you this.
Mark my words. Bonnaroo will be the only multi-band fest they play this summer.
I tend to agree with you on this, imho Roo is the only fest with the capability to handle Phish because I would imagine having Phish at your fest would be a logistical nightmare.
Mark my words. Bonnaroo will be the only multi-band fest they play this summer.
Well gouge said so, so it must be
Like a bunch of us have said, no one really knows until lineups start coming out. Untill then, it's all speculation
Look, I get that you love Rothbury and would prefer to never go back to Bonnaroo. But that doesn't mean that because Phish is playing Bonnaroo that they are playing Rothbury.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you I have inside sources, but you are flat out fooling yourself if you think Phish is going to play Bonnaroo AND Rothbury this summer. Just not gonna happen.
Your midwest run will consist of Alpine Valley and Deer Creek, probably 2 nights at each.
If you're looking for dumbass posts on Inforoo, the Troo Music Lounge is definitely your best bet. And yet, somehow, every year, there is at least one major piece of the lineup broken on these boards.
I agree with the dumbass posts comment, though I think it's often a game of who can name the more obscure, up-and-coming band and gain the most indie cred, while continuing to bash all those hipsters who embrace the indie scene and every obscure, up-and-coming band out there.
As for the lineup being broken down, hey, even a blind squirrel can find a few nuts from time to time. I mean, there are only so many bands touring in a given year who could fit into the Bonnaroo lineup. Sometimes there are links to articles that back up the points, and sometimes they prove to even be true. But it seems like more often than not, they don't.
