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I thought Rooconteur was the Vigilante, because back in Day One he was telling me the Vigilante wouldn't like my way of thinking. I figured he was hinting to me that he was the Vigilante. Obviously, I'm wrong about that.
I know it couldn't have been Bama. If Bama had submitted a whack during Night Two, it would have happened. If anything, I thought Bama was second-most-likely to be Inspector.
I still think Jack was the Inspector, though, and he was calling out Tara as Mafia. That rules both of them out as far as I'm concerned.
So that makes Krizzeam the Vigilante? Really? Goddammit!
Apologies to Krizzeam and my fellow innocents out there. I failed you this round.
At this point, I have to abandon my theory for obvious reasons.
I'm quacking confused, and since my theory's out the window, I have no basis for this vote other than the fact that he's the most confusing player in this game. I vote Fishingmaniac.
You shouldn't. I'm not mafia. You, on the other hand, have said all kinds of crazy stuff, which seems to be intended to mislead us all. And with everyone being as confused as they are, it seems to be working.
Is it possible that the absence of a second whacking is due to the nurse? Would we be told if such a thing happened?
I vote NBF again.
I believe that in the case of a Nurse saving someone, the players are supposed to be informed that a killing was blocked.
Yes, I believe that is the case. If the Nurse blocked either whack, we would have been informed of it. The fact that we didn't get two death stories tells me that we lost our Vigilante sometime before Night Two began. That leaves us with three names: Tara (probably Mafia) Jack (probably Inspector, definitely an innocent since he got whacked) Krizzeam (probably our Vigilante, in hindsight)
Rule 10 does allow for the Vigilante to opt out of killing someone overnight: 10) The Vigilante is able to kill one player during even-numbered Nights, should s/he choose to do so. But seriously... who would have the option of killing someone and not take it? I don't this this possibility is as likely.
Post by handgunhipster on Mar 19, 2009 9:38:21 GMT -5
I didn't want to kill anyone as Vigilante- which is the only reason I questioned it. But then again, no one had spoken up and told me who they thought I should kill.
I didn't want to kill anyone as Vigilante- which is the only reason I questioned it. But then again, no one had spoken up and told me who they thought I should kill.
But when I did speak up and suggest these things, Fishingmaniac calls me out on it. I find that kind of counterproductive, if I'm to believe he's innocent. (I'm honestly not sure - I'm voting against the confusing guy because I'm angry at the confusion.)
Okay-- I thought bama was the Inspector.. Do her thoughts on Day 2 not make anyone else think that?
That's one reason I was pushing to vote off Higgi, because I thought Bama was implying she was Inspector.. and she knew Krizz was innocent.
I hadn't ruled out Bama, even after Jack's death. Whichever one of them it might have been... they were both on the same track. It's entirely possible that she cleared Higgi after I suspected he was in cahoots with Tara. I did notice that she became an advocate for his innocence in Day Two. Right off the bat, Jack said Tara was "guilty as sin," which is why I thought he was the most likely Inspector.
Either way, Jack & Bama both voted for Tara. Jack & Bama both got whacked...
I don't think it's krizzeam, I don't know for sure about higgi. I just don't think we're focusing in the right place. Even kdogg has openly admitted he wasn't sure of his suspicion.
I think more suspicious are higgi and NBF...perhaps that's where we can focus our energy.
And I AM innocent...definitely on the townspeople side here.
Where is she defending Higgi? I thought she defended Krizz, she was calling Higgi and NBF out.
Post by handgunhipster on Mar 19, 2009 9:49:48 GMT -5
I'm utterly confused.
I thought Bama was Inspector. Jack's comment makes me think he was Inspector-- but Bama was so insistent in Day 2 of Krizz's innocence. She had to know something.
I'll elaborate on that, since I have to re-think this over anyhow.
List of all players: Bamadancer Handgunhips Kelaroo Rooconteur RonBurgandy Kdogg Jack324 Sadielady Nothingbutflowers Tarae22 Fishingmaniac Krizzeam Higgi
First, the dead: Jack & Bama - both got whacked, so they're definitely innocent. They were both of my candidates for the Inspector role. The fact that both people who have been whacked at this point voted for Tara in the initial round of voting makes me even more certain of Tara = mafia than I was in Day One.
Tara - countered by the Inspector, voted for by both people who have been whacked. I don't see how she can't NOT be mafia at this point.
Krizzeam - probably the Vigilante (and therefore, innocent) after process of elimination.
I think the best way to narrow this list is to eliminate from suspicion those players that received Tara's votes. Since a Mafia voted for them, they are most likely innocent.
Scratch Handgun, RonBurgandy? and Higgi from the list of potential suspects.
That leaves us with: Kelaroo Rooconteur Kdogg Sadielady Nothingbutflowers Fishingmaniac
Two of these people have to be Mafia, and one is probably the Nurse. Personally, I know I'm not Mafia because I'm a Townsperson, but I'll leave my name on that list for anyone who doesn't believe it.
I first suspected Mafia shenanigans when Handgun & Tara each had two votes. Tara/Higgi voted Handgun and Handgun/Bama voted Tara. My initial thought was that either Tara/Handgun were mafia, and that one of the second voters in those groups was the Inspectors.
Then Jack weighed in. He said Tara was "guilty as sin," which sounded too extreme for first-round indecision. That made me think that he, not Bama, was the Inspector. Either way, all signs led to Tara.
The more I think about it, the more likely it seems that Bama might have been our Inspector. I think we need to take a good hard look at what she had to say.
Here's every quote from Bama, from the beginning of Day Two (when she, if Inspector, would've had her first guess) through her death:
I don't know yet. I really don't think it's krizzeam, I don't know about higgi. I'm still suspicious of rooconteur (even though the odds are low) and a few others....hmmmm...
I don't think that rooconteur is mafia either. It's really hard to get chosen as mafia twice in a row. Plus he's not acting the same way last game as he was this game (and trust me, rooconteur was a REALLY predictable mafia...haha)
Really guys, I think krizzeam is an innocent. There is nothing to back up the suspicion, and even kdogg said he is unsure of his suspicion.
Everybody votes strangely in the first round, I am an innocent and I am defending krizzeam. I don't think that he is mafia at all.
I really think there needs to be some vote changing going on...we're completely missing who the mafia is here...they're pulling our strings and I don't like it. We're probably about to kill one of our own.
I don't think it's krizzeam, I don't know for sure about higgi. I just don't think we're focusing in the right place. Even kdogg has openly admitted he wasn't sure of his suspicion.
I think more suspicious are higgi and NBF...perhaps that's where we can focus our energy.
And I AM innocent...definitely on the townspeople side here.
I keep pushing for krizz's innocence, and you all of a sudden don't seem to believe me, even though I'm on the townspeople's side. I think the people who voted for rooconteur need to reconsider their votes. krizz is innocent.
Post by handgunhipster on Mar 19, 2009 10:09:15 GMT -5
The Inspector is given the name of one mafia member-- and then each night gets to guess the identity of another member-- the inspector is either given a yes or a no.
The vigilante knows nothing and just kills someone they believe to be mafia. [ or in kdogg and fishingmaniac's case-- kills anyone! heh]
i still dont quite grasp the difference between the inspector and the vigilante
Inspector gets to PM the Referee, asking about the Mafia status of one player per Night. Vigilante takes the law into their own hands - they whack someone they think is guilty every other night.
Post by handgunhipster on Mar 19, 2009 10:10:41 GMT -5
Kdogg, all those Bama quotes you just posted are the whole reason I stated that there might be a Higgi/Kelaroo connection.
Bama, who I thought was Inspector, said that she believed Higgi to be possible mafia-- then Kelaroo was insistent on his innocence. Despite that we might have had an Inspector speaking up saying Krizz was innocent.
1. I notice a recurring theme. She repeatedly said things along the lines of "I'm on the Townspeople's side" but never explicitly claimed to be a Townsperson. 2. She stuck up for Krizzeam's innocence, which has been confirmed since there was no Vigilante whack last Night and he seems to be the only suspect. (However, if Bama's the Inspector, it's possible Jack was our Vigilante and not Krizzeam.) 3. At various times, she said Higgi, NothingButFlowers & Kelaroo look suspicious. Her last vote before she died was for NBF. Coincidence? I don't know about that...
After processing all this, I have to change my vote. I vote NothingButFlowers.
