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Post by Good-Chicken on Feb 18, 2009 12:57:56 GMT -5
going from that list that kdogg posted from superbek. it seems it would be between blue cadet and i. since i know i am innocent, i am voting for blue cadet.
Post by bluecadet3 on Feb 18, 2009 18:53:55 GMT -5
I really think Kdogg is the only mafia member left. And he killed Superbek because she started the assault on Bama who was also mafia. Kdogg and Bama were also allied on the last vote. I may be totally off but that's what I see.
Common sense says Bek MIGHT be the inspector because of her persistance with bama being mafia. If bama gets voted off and myself or beks gets murdered. Everyone vote kdogg. He's pullin' strings with his long diluted messages.
im thinking hard about this right now , still not sure , i need convincing on why this wouldn't be you kdogg.
Here's some reasons.
Carpe and Bama were mafia. Yeah, I was sticking up for Bek... but are you seriously going to tell me I was in the mafia with Carpe? If you'll look at day two, you'll see I wasn't exactly trying to safe Carpe's life... How does it make sense that I'm mafia if I was prosecuting one of them and defending the other? If you really think Carpe was mafia, how can I be really guilty here?
The reason I was suspicious of Sammy last round was because he voted with Carpe. I thought those two were in cahoots with him. But voting with Carpe didn't mean Sammy was guilty.
Bek & I had a lengthy back-and-forth last round. We each posited three names we each thought were guilty. If you'll notice, I hadn't ruled Bama out myself. I just thought Bek dropping as many hints as she did without getting whacked made her look suspicious. I figured Bama would have whacked her sooner, had it been within her power. I thought Sammy was guilty and Bek didn't. If she knew Sammy was innocent, it's because she asked if he was guilty and the answer was no. I made a proposal to Bek to change my vote from Sammy because I thought she would want to take some heat off him. She had the benefit of knowing Sammy was innocent, which I didn't have so I thought they were in it together.
I made a mistake and I'm admitting that. You don't have to fucking kill me over it.
How has BlueCadet voted for a known member of the mafia every single round and not been retaliated against? Especially being the sole vote for a known mafia member in the first round (aside from Steve, who got whacked) which should have drawn some attention and probably a whacking?
I don't know what more I can say that I haven't said between this and the last post, so I've said my piece. Feel free to ask me questions. I could vote my suspicion now, which would seal my fate, but I'm not going to do that until I know you've all heard me out.
Post by bluecadet3 on Feb 18, 2009 23:58:51 GMT -5
I'm surprised as you are that I am still here. But if i voted for known mafia members who were killed then that proves my innocence? I think it would.
If you want to change my vote, you have to prove why you allied yourself with bama who has been suspected of being in the mafia the entire game and give substantial evidence to who the mafia has left.
I'm surprised as you are that I am still here. But if i voted for known mafia members who were killed then that proves my innocence? I think it would.
No... the fact that you repeatedly, consistently voted for mafia - earlier and more often than anyone else - suggests they might like you. That arises suspicion.
If you want to change my vote, you have to prove why you allied yourself with bama who has been suspected of being in the mafia the entire game and give substantial evidence to who the mafia has left.
Since you mention it, I didn't "ally myself with" Bama. She & Sadie were late to the same round, although Bama was the latter of the two to vote. I went to Facebook and tracked them down on the Inforoo group. Sent them both a friend request/message telling them the game was on. They both came on and voted that night. I thought the backlash against Bama was a bit extreme, because I had to warn both Bama & Sadie equally.
So yeah, I tracked down two wayward players. I did it for the good of the game, just like when I tried to find Mike, cited the rules or reposted vote totals when the thread hit a new page. I knew I had warned them, so I didn't think they were as guilty as others were reacting.
BC, I'm wondering why the mafia hasn't gotten either of us yet, too. I know why I'm surprised I'm here - windbags have lifespans nearly as short as those of Inspectors.
I must that admit I'm looking at you because of what I saw in the votes. It doesn't help that your name & Bama's were the two that overlapped on our three-suspect lists. I recognize the possibility that you're innocent, but someone's gotta be guilty. Can we at least agree on this: it is reasonable for an outside observer to be suspicious of a civilian with your voting record. BC, you are not the only one I am suspecting. I took another look at the old votes and don't think you're the only suspect anymore.
I'm also looking at Sadie because of what I didn't see in those votes: nobody has voted for her at any single point in this game. She hasn't received the same degree of scrutiny a lot of players in this game have. We can't look back and see if anyone got whacked because they voted for her, because nobody's voted for her. No trail of evidence. Lurking in the shadows, perhaps...
So I got curious and looked at the votes again. Here's what I found.
Day One:
Druid >>> Fishingmaniac Fishingmaniac >>> Druid >>> Druid again Superbek >>> Steve Kdogg >>> Druid >>> Superbek Carped >>> Fishingmaniac Mike >>> Steve Sammy >>> BlueCadet BlueCadet >>> Bama Steve >>> Carped >>> Mike Sadie >>> Fishingmaniac Bama >>> Fishingmaniac
Four people voted for fishingmaniac in round one. Two of them were mafia, one later got whacked... and one is Sadie.
Two players switched from their original Bek vote to vote Carpe in the run-off: Bama & Sadie. Trying to distance themselves from a discovered associate? Bama was also late to vote in this round too. I defended her (them?) the first time and it was BS, so this was probably BS too. Also note that Druid was whacked after this vote.
The first time this game the two (and when Carpe was alive, three) of them did not vote in unison. It's also when Bama was getting into hot water and killed by the Townspeople. Coincidence? Perhaps not.
i'm starting to second guess my vote. simply because i know that i am not mafia. and there has to be at least 2 mafia still left in this game. and at this point, if kdogg is one, the other mafia would not vote for him. cause that means they would lose. cause w/o kdogg they'd be outnumbered.
oh wait, i just checked the votes. looks like mike isn't voting for kdogg. so as far as i'm concerned.... the mafia left is mike and kdogg.
At this point I'll keep it as brief as possible. Here's what I think:
Sammy is innocent. Bek most likely suspected he was guilty, and got a no answer asking about him on Night 2.
Bek didn't get whacked because we went head-to-head and had some disagreements. She got whacked because, in the course of this, she got outed as definitely Inspector - i.e. mafia's biggest threat. I'm thinking the mafia might have been slower to catch on to Bek than some other players.
BlueCadet has a curious record of voting for mafia four times in a row without repercussion. His & Bama's were also the only two names Bek & I agreed on. The fact that he's asking me for substantial evidence about another player suggests to me he's kind of confused about all this too, and hence maybe more innocent than he's been looking to me.
Sadie's been a bit of a slippery one. There's no evidence to pin her to anything... but the fact that we haven't given her much attention might be the reason this game is still going. She cast the same votes as Bama & Carpe those first three rounds, until the going got rough. Her being mafia is also probably the best explanation for Druid's whacking. She also suggests Carpe is innocent, with which I (not to mention her voting record) heartily disagree.
Mike got called out by Bek during our debate. Just because he had a valid excuse for being gone doesn't completely rule him out in my book. It's still curious that he laid low while Bama was under siege. The timing of his reappearance is also curious.
i'm starting to second guess my vote. simply because i know that i am not mafia. and there has to be at least 2 mafia still left in this game. and at this point, if kdogg is one, the other mafia would not vote for him. cause that means they would lose. cause w/o kdogg they'd be outnumbered.
oh wait, i just checked the votes. looks like mike isn't voting for kdogg. so as far as i'm concerned.... the mafia left is mike and kdogg.
i want my vote to go back to null.
i'd like to see what the rest of you think?
You think there are two mafia left? That tells me you think Carpe was innocent. Why?
"At least 2 mafia" tells me you think there's a possibility there's still a third one out there. If you're saying this, you're also telling me you think there's a chance Bama wasn't guilty. I was reluctant to embrace Bama's guilt earlier on, but now I'm certain that she was. Why, after all we've been through, would you be suggesting that Bama wasn't mafia?
If we had five players and three of them were mafia, the game would be over as per Rule 6: 6) Play continues until all the Mafia have been killed (Townspeople win), or the Mafia outnumber the Townspeople (Mafia win). You're clearly wrong about there being three mafia alive.
I think there's still viable debate in progress. I don't want to close it while Sadie is sitting on the vote that could kill me. Let's just say I know who I want to vote for, but can't just yet...
My last vote was more gut-based than evidence-based. My last vote - and therefore my gut - was wrong. But I think the evidence is pretty damning...
Someone has done an awful lot of bloc voting with the mafia. Once this is pointed out, she tries to say that the people who were most likely mafia - Carpe & Bama - weren't really mafia. She says there are "at least 2" mafia alive, so she doubts one of those two are guilty. I don't know about the rest of you, but I think they were both mafia. She's either wrong or lying.
If she's not lying, then she's simply a Townsperson in the wrong. I don't agree with her on something as basic as how many mafia are left. How am I supposed to agree with her reasoning if I can't agree with the foundation of her reasoning?
If she's mafia, she's mafia. If she's a Townsperson, she's a liability going into the final round. Either way, I know who I want to vote for.
This game has dragged along enough already. I laid my cards out on the table and I want the rest of you to as well. I am leaving my vote open until after I do the night shift tonight. In the meantime, I want everyone to think about this and weigh in. I'm going to vote and close this round after work tonight regardless of what happens. I know Sadie's going to change her vote back to me, so my fate is in the rest of your hands.
If you like your vote the way it is, say so. If not, speak now or forever hold your peace.
One of those posts was simply updating a vote total and another was a direct response refuting something I felt needed to be refuted. Two of those were mine. One was my take on everyone in general, and the other was a plea for a vote I can't in my best interest make at the moment.
My life is on the line here, and I have to leave for work in an hour. I figure I have to say this stuff now or never.
Post by bluecadet3 on Feb 19, 2009 14:50:09 GMT -5
I now have many suspicions about Sadie being in the mafia. Her voting record was very consistent with Bama and Carpe who were believed to be mafia members. And she turned on the mafia members when the voting was close to save herself from being called out. I also believe kdogg and superbek's disagreements drew attention away from the mafia. Superbek was obviously on to something because she was whacked and kdogg was off topic so he was spared. I feel that if kdogg is innocent, he will definitely get whacked by the mafia next round. So I am changing my vote to sadie.
I'd be all for it if I didn't think it violated Rule 8:
8) Players who have been eliminated are still welcome to post in this thread, but are asked to not say anything leading to any knowledge, suspicions or opinions you might have.
That sounds too much like participation in debate by a dead player to me. If she said something, it is there and able for us to find by ourselves.
In the meantime, I won't be back for another 8 1/2 hours.
Although Sammy voted for me last round I still presume him to be innocent because I am pretty sure he just honestly believed me to be mafia. And it would appear to me that Sadie is also innocent because she has been pretty neutral and straight foward.
I think it would be unfair to the remaining players to have a misquote even if it is accidental.
Post by handgunhipster on Feb 19, 2009 16:09:59 GMT -5
^^ I allowed Bek to post a response to kdogg, because she said his information was incorrect and even though she is dead-- she has a right to correct any information dealing with her if it is, indeed, incorrect.
I think her reposting what she's already said doesn't violate any rules, although it won't become a regular occurrence. :]
