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I am out the door to visit my girlfriend's parents, and I have a feeling I'm going to catch some heat in my absence. I don't want to die without being able to defend myself.
i still don't think this is right. if you are the one being voted out and your the only vote left and will not make the difference. i don't think you should be allowed the time to try and snake your way out of it.
Post by handgunhipster on Feb 21, 2009 20:49:37 GMT -5
Because Sadie has not yet voted, and if she had [or does[ while he is gone, he wouldn't have been able to plea his case.. he can null his vote. If he were nulling his vote just for the prolonging of the game, that wouldn't work. If sadie and mike had both already voted, and the votes were both for him.. I probably wouldn't allow the null vote, but because to be fair, I have to give him or any player the chance to plea their case to an undecided voter, I'm allowing it.
I think mafia 13 will include numerous rule adjustments, that we'll discuss at the end of the game. Bring this up and we'll think of a solution
I am out the door to visit my girlfriend's parents, and I have a feeling I'm going to catch some heat in my absence. I don't want to die without being able to defend myself.
i still don't think this is right. if you are the one being voted out and your the only vote left and will not make the difference. i don't think you should be allowed the time to try and snake your way out of it.
^ can we get an official ruling on this?
I'm not trying to snake my way out of anything. I'm sorry, but as much as I've been into playing this... a pre-planned trip to visit my girlfriend's dad after surgery trumps being near the internet so I can play mafia. Not to mention that Sadie hasn't yet shown up to participate in the final round.
I sent handgun a PM about this on Friday night. She can back me up on this if you don't believe me.
I was wrong about Sadie. She definitely looked like she had blood on her hands until Bek spoke up. I'm glad she spoke up to clear Sadie, because if we had voted her off with two mafia alive it would have been a "game over" situation. I missed the part about Sadie's innocence, because I hadn't been using Bek's quote as my basis. I was using this as my basis for Sammy's innocence:
However I am more than confident that bama is in the mafia just as confident as I am that Sammy is NOT in the mafia.
So we had an Inspector playing from beyond the grave. I don't think she was stepping in to reveal what she learned with her third guess, but was instead acting on the basis of what she learned with her third guess.
There were six players around when she got whacked, including herself. The other five: Sadie Sammy Mike BlueCadet kdogg
She had already asked about the status of two of these players. Sadie Sammy Mike BlueCadet kdogg
This leaves Mike, BC & myself as the three she potentially asked about. As much as I'd like to think she asked and cleared my name, I think she went for the two names she claimed to suspect as mafia - BlueCadet & Mike. I think she asked about BlueCadet, because he overlapped on our suspect lists. Bek also said this:
I am still not completely sure that bluecadet is in the mafia but I am heavily leaning towards him.
I think I was wrong again. It wasn't until Bek spoke up that I doubted Carpe's status. But if Carpe/Bama were both mafia and BlueCadet just got killed, this game would be over. I have no regrets about going after Carpe; I called out a player with blood on his hands - that's how the game is played. That's what I was doing last round.
I think Bek stepped in to prevent a mafia victory. If Carpe wasn't mafia, and neither BC or Mikegot voted off last round, we might have seen two mafia go to the final round of three. That would have been a win for the mafia.
I think I'm alive because I've been wrong from time to time and just look guilty, and I think BC backs me up here:
I also believe kdogg and superbek's disagreements drew attention away from the mafia. Superbek was obviously on to something because she was whacked and kdogg was off topic so he was spared. I feel that if kdogg is innocent, he will definitely get whacked by the mafia next round. So I am changing my vote to sadie.
I think I was getting baited here. BC would have known that killing an innocent in the daytime would clinch a victory for the mob. I think I was being played here for suspecting an innocent (which he knew, I didn't.) He's right that an innocent would definitely get whacked by the mafia, just wrong about which one. Sammy's innocence has been confirmed while mine hasn't. It could just have easily been Sadie, but I think that option is more likely to point back to the mafia than whacking Sammy. It would make no sense for the mafia to let both confirmed-innocent players into the final round - that's pretty much a guaranteed mafia loss. That's why I think I'm alive and Sammy's dead.
That means if all three mafia are alive (and I am pretty sure one if not two of them are dead), then it would have to be bluecadet, bama, and mike.
I think she used the word "if" after Carpe & Bama have been eliminated because she wasn't sure about one of them - Carpe. That indeed leaves out the possibility there were two mafia remaining. Bama is gone, BlueCadet is gone, yet the game is still going... there's one mafia left. I'm following Bek's logic here; it has a better track record than my own. Bek said Bama, BlueCadet & Mike are our mafia... and I think she is 2-for-2 on those predictions. It's up to Sadie & I to act on that third prediction in Bek's absence.
With all that being said, I change my vote back to Mike.
ugh this is such a hard decision. i am literally the person to win or lose this game. i know i'm not mafia. and its a 50/50 chance i'll vote for actual mafia. i'm going to feel like shit if i lose it for the townspeople. :/
I still have my suspicions of mike, what exactly has he done to prove his innocence (other than voting for carpedm in the run off)?
The round she got whacked, she didn't think he'd done anything to prove his innocence. In light of what Bek quoted from the grave, we can't even be sure that Carpe was mafia. If Carpe wasn't definitely mafia, then voting against him doesn't imply innocence either. Not to mention he's gotten the least scrutiny in the game. Bek hasn't cleared him, I never called him out. While I haven't been technically cleared, I have definitely been called out and responded - Mike hasn't. When I was comparing notes with Bek, I thought Sammy was mafia and Mike was innocent. Bek has proven me half-wrong on that, and I'm pretty sure I'm the other-half wrong too.
I urge you not necessarily to change your vote, but at least ask a few questions first... this is a high-stakes decision. I've got open ears.
i still vote for you kdogg. in the round where superbek sorta made it clear she was the inspector and bama was mafia , you still voted for bek. then she was killed off by mafia at night. which leads me to believe she was the inspector. and like i said, you didn't vote for bama, who i believe was mafia.
The mafia would have killed anyone who "sorta made it clear" they were the inspector.
That doesn't mean I did it.
It's not like I was unwilling to change my vote away from Bek. I changed my vote to her because she wouldn't compromise with me on voting BlueCadet. I found that suspicious, more so than I suspected Bama at the time. It wasn't until she was whacked that I finally realized she was Inspector and Bama was mafia.
You know how I got on my tangent of defending Bama in the first place? You two were both late to the first round and I had to get you two both moving. If I was mistaken in that, it's only because of you two slacking. You helped lead me in that direction yourself.
she made it pretty clear bama was mafia. in the round it was between bek and bama. and you were making bluecadet proposals? i still think you are mafia.
Bek was also on the verge of a run-off in day two - with a 4-4-1 result (that one, I might add, being MIKE) - in which I voted for Carpe both times.
Don't look at me like I was the one and only player who was suspicious of Bek. This is clearly not the case.
And if BlueCadet is so quacking innocent now that you're using him to accuse me, what's up with everyone voting him dead yesterday? Sammy turned the tables against BC last round, and Sammy got whacked. I'm not ruling out coincidence, but I find it unlikely.
Post by handgunhipster on Feb 22, 2009 18:35:26 GMT -5
Bek requested to write Kdogg's death story in the event that Kdogg be killed, so here it is:
Looking around, kdogg could see that he had no where to run. He stood with his back against What stage and all he could see for miles was a mob of angry roo townspeople storming his way with glow sticks, lighters, and *gasp* glass! kdogg quickly jumped on stage but the only thing lying around was hundreds of feet of speaker wire. He grabbed the wire and climbed up to the catwalk. He tied a noose and looking down on the angry mob, he jumped. The crowd erupted with joy.
*moral of the story* If you give the mafia enough rope, they'll will hang themselves.
Post by handgunhipster on Feb 22, 2009 19:29:40 GMT -5
It was a good game, but I think we might need some rule adjustments. Kdogg and I were talking about it, since both of us have been the most recent ref's.. Here are three things that might should be dicussed: Talking from the grave Sharing the task of creating death stories Null votes
There was some issue with some comments made during the game from dead players. I know that a rule already exists stating a broad category of what cannot be discussed by a dead player, but I think this needs to be worked on. I wrote all the townspeople vote death stories except for two, and honestly-- I'm not good at them. I think that many players are much better at writing death stories then I am. Kdogg and I discussed dead players providing death stories for the next person killed off. Example: I'd [or the ref] write the first popular vote death story, then the mafia would write theirs, the second popular vote death would be written by either of the dead players from the mafia or popular vote. Third, the null vote. I don't think there is an issue with nulling a vote unless it's the only vote left and it's to prolong the game. This hasn't happened in this game, but it might have before..
i agree that talking from the grave should be kept to a minimum.
i think the death stories process is good. so when you are killed, you are responsible to write the story for the next unfortunate fool? haha
and third, null votes don't usually seem to a problem. as long as they aren't used to prolong a game too much, i think they are part of the game. i dont know that i'd worry about them too much.
I probably spoke from the grave too much, but I was enjoying the game and had never played before. Just don't kill me first next time.
I WASN'T MAFIA!
I also figured out Kdogg early on. I might have helped if I could say more influential things (which I tried not to).
I allowed you to speak from the grave because you weren't really mentioning anything that was affecting gameplay.. and you were adding humor to the game. :]
