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What I just said is probably as long as (yet probably took less work than) your first post singling out fishingmaniac, and more relevant than showing off photos of your kids.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm trying to find out who killed you... ...you're quacking welcome!
I'm fine on waiting for an answer. My next couple of days are going to be jam-packed. I work 3-11pm tonight and then have to work 8a-4p tomorrow - it's the only way I'm able to take my girlfriend to dinner and a party tomorrow night. I'll try to keep up with the questions sometime in the middle of all that, but not guarantees.
I don't want to be the one holding up the game, so I'm casting a vote now which is subject to change. I vote Sammy.
Dammit! There were only two players I was presuming innocent, and she was one of them.
Superbek survived the run-off, 7-2, but we can't forget that she was neck-and-neck with Carpe before all this. Sammy was curiously the only voting with Carpe.
Question/clarification for handgun & impartial veteran observers: are mafia members permitted to privately communicate with the rest of the gang after death? I thought that wasn't allowed, or at least varied between refs. The rule itself appears vague, pasted below.
1) The referee randomly chooses from the 11 players three Mafiosi and one Inspector. All the rest are Townspeople. Each person is informed of their part via PM, and are not allowed to share that information with each other except in this thread, the official Mafia game thread. The Mafia are informed of one another's identity, and they are allowed to converse among themselves via PM.
Yes, the Mafia can continue to communicate via PM even after they are dead. In past games, I don't know if killed mafia members always take advantage of this, but it is an open option.
Post by handgunhipster on Feb 13, 2009 15:27:59 GMT -5
PS: Sorry for three posts in a row, but I'm going to Girl Talk tonight and I won't be around a computer much tonight, I'll try to keep things up to date, but if I get a little behind, for give me.
Superbek 1. Why should I believe you're innocent? 2. You were the second-place candidate in the run-off, and I think you only lost because you were the not-AS-guilty candidate. What, if anything, has happened since the run-off vote that suggests you're not the guiltiest player alive? 3. If you're not mafia, who is?
1. As I stated before (and I think this is a big one), I obviously have no alliances. Like yourself, kdogg, I have been running my mouth ENTIRELY too much to be considered mafia. That is the same reason I suspect that you are not mafia but I do keep in mind that you are a political man so you can talk like a politician. If anybody could do what you have been doing this game and still be in the mafia, it would be you.
2. See above. I am trying to help save everyone, not kill them.
3. Okay, let's say that all three mafia are still alive... and let's go ahead and mark ourselves off the list.
BlueCadet Kdogg Mike Sadielady Bamadancer. Superbek Sammy
Although Sammy voted for me last round I still presume him to be innocent because I am pretty sure he just honestly believed me to be mafia. And it would appear to me that Sadie is also innocent because she has been pretty neutral and straight foward. So...
BlueCadet Kdogg Mike Sadielady Bamadancer. Superbek Sammy
That means if all three mafia are alive (and I am pretty sure one if not two of them are dead), then it would have to be bluecadet, bama, and mike.
These are the people we should be interrogating. My vote is for bama. bama is mafia.
My vote for bama stood alone last round as it probably will this time. I know it may seem ludicrous but my gun instinct just tells me that she is in the mafia. If we kill off another towns person tonight than the game will come to an end and the mafia will win.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Feb 13, 2009 17:03:24 GMT -5
As a conscientious observer I'll say that a good offense is a good defense. A good show is a good distraction. I think I know who all the mafia are. I wish I were alive, because then I could ssay more. Ya'll effed up when you killed me. I'm clever. Mafia's gonna take this one. They're playing real smart.
Sammy 1. Why should I believe you're innocent? 2. Why were you the only player voting alongside Carpe when we killed him? 3. If you're not mafia, who is?
1. I am a townsperson. You can believe me or not, there is really nothing I can say that anyone can believe for sure. You'll just have to believe me.
2. As I stated with my vote. I stayed with the same vote I made during the actual round. And no other reason than that.
3. Well that I cannot say for sure, but if I had to pick from my guts on all your reactions. I'd say Sadielady, Carp (who we just merc'd), and well....you. You talk alot and it confuses everyone to not think about you.
My vote goes to kdogg. bama.
Edit: Just finished reading this page. I'm gonna say instead of Carp, either superbek or bama is. One of them knows too much. I'm gonna go with bama. (Now this looks like me and bek are together on this, but I assure you fellow townsfolk. I am just trying to even the score )
If I'm talking a lot, it's because this gets trickier to sort out the longer it goes. It doesn't help to come home from work to find two players I called out working on me.
I still think mafia are Carpe & two surviving players. I'm still trying to figure out which of you it is.
The last day or so, I've been suspecting Bek less and Sammy more. Something about him this round seems off to me. Sure, the last day or so he's been playing more like the Sammy I remember playing with... but that didn't happen until after he got called out for being uncharacteristically quiet.
My reasoning hinges on Carpe being mafia. He's the one I suspect most of all players, living and dead, of being mafia. All but one surviving player (Sammy) seemed to think that was the case during the last vote. Now that Carpe's gone, Sammy appears to be engaging in some revisionist history. He just implied Carpe isn't mafia. I think that's a load of horse shit and a half. He originally cast his vote for me this round. I hate to toot my own horn, but one (a disgruntled mafia, perhaps) could make the argument that Carpe would still be around if it weren't for me. I was already suspecting Carpe & Sammy were in cahoots. Sammy's defense of Carpe doesn't make me feel any more wrong about that...
BlueCadet 1. Why should I believe you're innocent? 2. You've been relatively quiet. The answers you've been giving have been brief. You've been more reactive than interactive. How am I supposed to believe you're a relatively unsocial Townsperson instead of a mafia lurking in the shadows? 3. If you're not mafia, who is?
1. I cannot make you believe I'm innocent. But I have nothing to hide. Just a reserved townsperson. 2. This is pretty much a witch hunt now and I have no evidence to support my baseless claims but I can start calling out people.
I believe Kdogg is mafia. I know he wants the game to be played by the rules but he seems kind of a stickler against Fishingmaniac's comments. If Fishingmaniac knows everything like he claims, it would be in the best interest of Kdoog to keep him quiet. Again, I have no real evidence and I think kdogg really just has the best interest of the game in mind but if this will save my skin then so be it.
However, if Fishingmaniac was in the mafia, he would have orchestrated Druid's death much sooner. So maybe Fishingmaniac does have some hidden clues in his posts.
I'm retracting my vote for Druid and voting for Bek for my own personal reasons - I called her out when she walked past me last Bonnaroo, and she just kept on walking.
are you quacking serious??? omg I just started re-reading the game play and I just saw this. i guess that mean I ignored you twice. my bad, too much corn....
I believe Kdogg is mafia. I know he wants the game to be played by the rules but he seems kind of a stickler against Fishingmaniac's comments. If Fishingmaniac knows everything like he claims, it would be in the best interest of Kdoog to keep him quiet. Again, I have no real evidence and I think kdogg really just has the best interest of the game in mind but if this will save my skin then so be it.
In the interest of disclosure, handgun asks me to keep an eye the game when she knows she won't be around. I've refereed a few of these myself.
I'm retracting my vote for Druid and voting for Bek for my own personal reasons - I called her out when she walked past me last Bonnaroo, and she just kept on walking.
are you quacking serious??? omg I just started re-reading the game play and I just saw this. i guess that mean I ignored you twice. my bad, too much corn....
That was my facetious first-round vote. The fishing/Druid saga was too entertaining, and I realized I couldn't vote to put an end to it so soon.
3. Okay, let's say that all three mafia are still alive... and let's go ahead and mark ourselves off the list.
BlueCadet Kdogg Mike Sadielady Bamadancer. Superbek Sammy
Although Sammy voted for me last round I still presume him to be innocent because I am pretty sure he just honestly believed me to be mafia. And it would appear to me that Sadie is also innocent because she has been pretty neutral and straight foward. So...
BlueCadet Kdogg Mike Sadielady Bamadancer. Superbek Sammy
That means if all three mafia are alive (and I am pretty sure one if not two of them are dead), then it would have to be bluecadet, bama, and mike.
Bek, I've got a similar list going with different results.
I'll walk you through mine, just as you walked me through yours
Starting with the dead: I operate under the assumption that Day One deaths are both innocents. There's about a 1-in-4 chance the Townspeople will off a mafia - possible, but unlikely. That's why I presume fishingmaniac and Steve were innocent. Fishingmaniac Steve
Druid was whacked, so I presume her innocent. Druid
Carpe Carpe was the only discernable connection between the first vote and the first whack. If he didn't have blood on his hands, why did six of us vote for him?
Then, there's those of us still around. You walked me through yours; I'll walk you through mine. BlueCadet Kdogg Mike Sadielady Bamadancer Superbek Sammy
As I've stated, I think Mike & Sadie are acting like business as usual. Which leaves me with this: BlueCadet Kdogg Mike Sadielady Bamadancer Superbek Sammy
We each have our own list of who we suspect, assuming three mafia are alive. (I do not think we still have three mafia alive, for the record)
Bek's list: bama, bluecadet, Mike My list: Sammy, bluecadet, bama
Bek, I believe we can work out a compromise here.
Our combined list: Bama Bluecadet Mike Sammy
Now, I think Sammy's mafia & Mike's innocent. You think Mike's mafia & Sammy's innocent. Bama Bluecadet Mike Sammy
That leaves us two names we both suspect. One of whom, you're already voting for.
I personally believe bama's "busy because it's rush week" alibi - at least for that first late vote - because her Facebook profile pic showed her wearing a cheerleading outfit with Greek letters on it. I'm still waiting for a more substantial reason she's mafia than "she voted late" or "going with my gut."
Since I'm calling what I propose a "compromise," I can't just change my vote to agree with yours and get nothing in return.
So Bek, at long last, here is my proposal. You change your vote away from Bama, I change my vote away from Sammy, and we both vote for BlueCadet. I've been paying the least attention to him out of all the players so far, perhaps wrongly so.
What do you think?
I've got an 18-hour day ahead of me and won't be around, but I asked handgun to change my vote for me if you're down for compromise.
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Feb 14, 2009 2:43:00 GMT -5
kdogg, i will admit you def drive a hard bargain but at this time I believe it is best for be to stick by my initial vote.
For one I am still not sure that I can 100% trust you although I must say that I really do want to trust you. Secondly, I am still not completely sure that bluecadet is in the mafia but I am heavily leaning towards him. However I am more than confident that bama is in the mafia just as confident as I am that Sammy is NOT in the mafia.
I still have my suspicions of mike, what exactly has he done to prove his innocence (other than voting for carpedm in the run off)?
bama is mafia, for all we know, she could be the last one!
Not to mention that I still can't entirely trust you... You said we were both interested in rooting out the mafia by our wordy nature. I don't know if I can buy into that anymore. So, don't let it be said I never tried playing nice.
I'm sacrificing another half hour of sleep to lay out my case against Bek.
If you know bama is mafia, then that makes you the Inspector. And if you are the Inspector and knew all along that bama was mafia, why did you vote for Steve?
no I am not the inspector, steve was the inspector, right? I voted for him in the first round, completely random. I agree that the inspector would vote for the mafia in the first round...
You sure "know" a lot of things for someone who isn't the Inspector. You say Steve is the Inspector - why would you vote for someone you know to be the Inspector unless you're mafia?
I am going with superbek. Why? Because she is cute, and everyone knows cute is trouble.
Look at her, all perky. She is going to be at Bonnaroo, wearing her nice little sundresses with her young little body. Since I have had 7 kids, mine is shot. My boobs are down to my knees, and my back side has slid down to my ankles. I will be wearing tye dye moo moos. Nope, can't compete with that. She has to go.
Druid said this in the run-off vote before she got whacked. Coincidence? I think not...
so yeah, with much regret and against my will I am changing my vote to carp-face
Why would you regret killing off a mafia? Bek, if you really are a citizen concerned with getting rid of them, wouldn't you be glad to take a chance at taking ANY one of them out regardless of who it was?
I made that proposal for a reason. I wanted to see how Bek would react if I made her choose between my #s 2 & 3 suspicions. Refusing the deal leads me to believe she's protecting/in cahoots with BC rather than Sammy.
The way I see it, Bek comes across too suspicious to actually BE the Inspector. I think that's just a ruse she's been using to distract us from the fact that she's mafia. It's not the only distraction she's thrown out there, either.
The last day or so, I've been suspecting Bek less and Sammy more. Something about him this round seems off to me. Sure, the last day or so he's been playing more like the Sammy I remember playing with... but that didn't happen until after he got called out for being uncharacteristically quiet.
I responded because I was being 'called out' FYI. As you notice, that was my longest post here yet and only because of your allegation.
My vote stands with bama. Common sense says Bek MIGHT be the inspector because of her persistance with bama being mafia. If bama gets voted off and myself or beks gets murdered. Everyone vote kdogg. He's pullin' strings with his long diluted messages.
Bama 1. Why should I believe you're innocent? 2. You were the last to vote in the first round, and I defended you. But being last to vote in the runoff, too - what gives? 3. If you're not mafia, who is?
1) Because I just am, like the other people said, there's no way for me to MAKE you believe I'm innocent. I've never purposefully called anybody out in the game (like the mafia usually does...AHEM...superbek)...I've usually just listened to everybody's arguments and done what I thought was best. 2) I am a forgetful person. No really. I had a busy week last week and it IS my boyfriend's rush week...you can check out my profile picture on facebook if you really need to know also I do have a job and while I do check inforoo at work, it hasn't been as possible lately. Also I really am forgetful. You can check the other games to notice that I am forgetful. 3) Well, I know originally thought it was superbek, sammy and bluecadet, but I now feel like it's superbek, sammy and carpe. Superbek is on a witch hunt and seems AWFULLY long-winded to be a townsperson. Note how the people you think are innocent (mike and sadie) are quiet...and I haven't said a whole lot in these threads too.
Superbek, if you suspect me for being quiet and forgetting to vote, shouldn't you suspect mike too?
My vote goes to superbek as well, I gave her another chance and I still feel like she's mafia. Also, she's trying to kill me! I'm innocent!
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Feb 14, 2009 20:00:17 GMT -5
I am going to address everyone here so listen up guys, this could be important:
Kdogg 1. The fact that Steve was killed in the first round had nothing to do with my random vote. you cannot blame his death on me and it wouldn't do you any good anyway because I didn't kill him. you might want to ask bama about it.
2. yes I am still alive and I don't know how but thanks to you I am about to die. if you kill me off then there is the potential that the mafia could win after they murder someone. If you want to save yourself YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR BAMA.
3. I assumed that steve was the inspector because fishinmaniac sure did seem to know a lot about him. also, nobody else has given out any clues are to who the mafia could be.
4.
You sure "know" a lot of things for someone who isn't the Inspector. You say Steve is the Inspector - why would you vote for someone you know to be the Inspector unless you're mafia?
okay a couple of things here, first of all I am not the inspector but if I was do you honestly think I would tell anyone. Is the inspector supposed to throw some kind of special mafia retardant detective confetti or something? Honestly, i have never had the privilege of being the inspector. I did not know that steve was the inspector in the first round, as a matter of fact nobody knew ANYTHING in the first round (except the mafia, handgun, and presumably steve) so my vote for steve was exactly as I have stated.... completely random.
5.
if I told you I would have to kill you.
...because this was how Bek responded to Druid's follow-up post...
let's be fair kdogg, that's not the entire response, now is it?
and don't go taking that literally people... bama is mafia... I just know things, okay?
the fact that you left out the very crucial statement gives me even more ground not to trust you. if you wanted to honestly be my ally then you would look at everything I have put forth instead of criticizing the truth.
6.
I made that proposal for a reason. I wanted to see how Bek would react if I made her choose between my #s 2 & 3 suspicions. Refusing the deal leads me to believe she's protecting/in cahoots with BC rather than Sammy.
you are talking like you have a fish taco... a little too psycho for me. ;D ;D ;D why would I side with you if I do not know if you are in the mafia or not. if bluecadet was innocently murdered and I wore his blood on my hands then I couldn't bear it. you could be trying to set me and sway me to vote for him and which case bama could wait to vote (big suprise) and the WHACK! cadet gets it and so do I. quack that.
bama okay since when do the mafia purposely call people out in the game? obviously you don't do that, why would I?
I work, too. but I can't check inforoo at my job but I am still here. Therefore I cannot accept this as a justifiable reason for tardiness.
Superbek is on a witch hunt and seems AWFULLY long-winded to be a townsperson.
well then why wouldn't you be suspicious of kdogg? probably because he is your partner.... nigga please.
Superbek, if you suspect me for being quiet and forgetting to vote, shouldn't you suspect mike too?
I offered that last night...
That means if all three mafia are alive (and I am pretty sure one if not two of them are dead), then it would have to be bluecadet, bama, and mike.
sammy and sadie, I know you guys are cool so if you want to save yourselves you have to change your vote to bama.
mike, i still have my suspicions about you.... can you prove your innocence?
and bluecadet I really thought you were in the mafia but kdogg seriously has me second guessing that. show me you're one of the townspeople, we all need to know!
if you are a townsperson and you want to save yourself you will vote for bama. If you do not change your vote to bama then I will have to presume you to be a mafia member.
A vote for superbek is an injustice among rooskies.
3. I assumed that steve was the inspector because fishinmaniac sure did seem to know a lot about him. also, nobody else has given out any clues are to who the mafia could be. If you haven't yet figured out that fishingmaniac has been spouting nothing but irrelevant nonsense, how am I supposed to believe you when you convince me of other topics?
if bluecadet was innocently murdered and I wore his blood on my hands then I couldn't bear it. you could be trying to set me and sway me to vote for him and which case bama could wait to vote (big suprise) and the WHACK! cadet gets it and so do I. quack that. Bama already voted this round...
well then why wouldn't you be suspicious of kdogg? probably because he is your partner.... nigga please. Do you really think I'd let Bama get away with that kind of slacking in my mafia? Please... I run a tighter ship than that when I'm mafia and you know it. I'm mildly insulted at the mere suggestion.
and bluecadet I really thought you were in the mafia but kdogg seriously has me second guessing that. show me you're one of the townspeople, we all need to know! If you thought he was mafia, you would have taken me up on my deal... That's why I switched from Sammy and made my case for you.
mike, i still have my suspicions about you.... can you prove your innocence? Oh sure... call him mafia until you need his vote. Good luck.
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I believe Kdogg is mafia. I know he wants the game to be played by the rules but he seems kind of a stickler against Fishingmaniac's comments. If Fishingmaniac knows everything like he claims, it would be in the best interest of Kdoog to keep him quiet. Again, I have no real evidence and I think kdogg really just has the best interest of the game in mind but if this will save my skin then so be it.
In the interest of disclosure, handgun asks me to keep an eye the game when she knows she won't be around. I've refereed a few of these myself.
Also, yes this is true. Just to clear up any issues, I know Kdogg updates the page anyway when I'm not around for vote count, so I've asked him to keep an eye.
sammy and sadie, I know you guys are cool so if you want to save yourselves you have to change your vote to bama.
well since you didn't read that well and I have already voted for bama, im gonna rethink this. you are being very demanding which i don't like, even from an 'inspector'.