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I figure most people have read All Quiet On The Western Front since it is one of those popular required school readings (I had to read it in high school and college). Does anyone else think that Jesse is following a similar trajectory to the main character in that book? I was thinking it before tonight, but tonight's episode really drove it home for me. Jesse has been through numerous extreme psychological traumas through the course of this series. I want him to make it through the series alright, but at this point, I don't really see how that happens with any kind of credibility. I just can't imagine him starting over, getting a house and a job and getting married.
P.S. The end of this show has been depressing as f*ck.
My prediction: Walter goes and takes out Jack's crew, realizes Jesse is there and just decides to let him go. Ricin is for his Grey Matter Inc partners. Turns himself in, Finds a way to get his money to Skylar
Dave Maynar, get out your banhammer. I had to catch the late Breaking Bad.
Walt uses that large fire arm to go after the Nazis, gets his money back, finds a way to use Grey Matter to get the money to his family, turns himself into the police to clear his wife, and then kills himself with the ricin.
Well that episode was kinda boring. So much is going to be packed into this final episode.
After the last two episodes, I think they needed to have a more low key episode so as to not exhaust the audience. Also, I think it moved everything into place so that the finale doesn't have a lot of exposition left to take care of.
I would disagree on this. Judging by how things advance with Walt's timeline, we are now pretty much caught up to where the flash forward was. Given it has been several months, they needed a reason to keep Jesse cemented where he is because many would have called them out for having Jesse just staying enslaved for half a year without at least trying something. Lastly, it further contributes to my idea from earlier that Jesse is going to end up too damaged though it does bring up the question of who will take care of Brock.
I didn't feel this episode was boring at all. It wasn't "action-packed" but it set everything up and gave as a lot of information on all the important characters.
I loved the exchange between Walt and Saul in the beginning. I'm not completely sure why Saul wants to leave though. Did he do anything illegal that can be proved by the feds? Or does he just want to make sure that Jack doesn't come knocking on his door for some reason? Anyway, him giving us all that info about Skylar, letting us know that despite Walt's phone call, which we all praised him for, didn't help her out as much as we thought. The story line with Jesse and the execution of Andrea was one of the most heart-wrenching scenes I've seen in this show. It also shows us a great comparison, after we just discussed this, of different types of evil. These guys are cold-blooded psychos and have no remorse for anything, where Walt has some sense of going too far. Then showing that scene in the bar with Walt old business partners throws an additional part of the story line that we had not yet considered and keeps us guessing as to what's going to happen next week. A great episode.
I don't think he's really gunning for Elliot and Gretchen. I think they served the purpose to start to get him angry, but the real point of that scene was to for Walter to realize Jesse was still alive. I still think the ricin is for Lydia. She ordered stevia from the restaurant as opposed to using her own, I think that may come into play.
I don't think he's really gunning for Elliot and Gretchen. I think they served the purpose to start to get him angry, but the real point of that scene was to for Walter to realize Jesse was still alive. I still think the ricin is for Lydia. She ordered stevia from the restaurant as opposed to using her own, I think that may come into play.
Does Walt know that the Nazi's meth wasn't blue? Because if not then he still wouldn't know for sure that Jessie is alive, right? I might be totally misremembering something.
I don't think he's really gunning for Elliot and Gretchen. I think they served the purpose to start to get him angry, but the real point of that scene was to for Walter to realize Jesse was still alive. I still think the ricin is for Lydia. She ordered stevia from the restaurant as opposed to using her own, I think that may come into play.
Does Walt know that the Nazi's meth wasn't blue? Because if not then he still wouldn't know for sure that Jessie is alive, right? I might be totally misremembering something.
I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure he knows Jesse is the only person who could recreate his product. Maybe just the fact that his 'product' is still out there angered him, but I really think he put 2 and 2 together.
-Lydia's Stevia -Gretchen & Elliott -Ricin -The blue meth's reappearance -The machine gun (for all we know Walt guns down everybody or never even uses it at all) -Walt's impending death and/or capture -The cops/DEA -Todd's fascination with Lydia -Whether the uncle's getting fed up with Todd's psychotic ways (was anybody else creeped out at first, shortly after the uncle found out Todd killed the kid, when the uncle had a handgun out and he and the other Nazis stepped back from Todd as if they were planning to execute him?) -The initial cold opening at the diner where it looked like Depressed Walt might've been wearing a wire. (Is he back in Albuquerque to kill the Nazis himself, or to finally cooperate with the police to take the heat off his family?) -The title of the finale -Whether Hank/Gomez's bodies are ever recovered -Walt reconciling with his family? -Whether Walt's neighbor called the cops after she saw him--do the cops know Heisenberg is back in Albuquerque? -Whether the cleaner is going to send Walt's money to his family or not. -Whether Skyler will rat Lydia out
And probably a whole lot more.
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I don't think he's really gunning for Elliot and Gretchen. I think they served the purpose to start to get him angry, but the real point of that scene was to for Walter to realize Jesse was still alive. I still think the ricin is for Lydia. She ordered stevia from the restaurant as opposed to using her own, I think that may come into play.
Does Walt know that the Nazi's meth wasn't blue? Because if not then he still wouldn't know for sure that Jessie is alive, right? I might be totally misremembering something.
Well, the fact that Todd wants him to cook for him because he can't get the recipe right. So from that Walt could probably imply that they weren't exactly getting it right.
What does the majority think about Walt's feelings towards Jesse? For me, I can't imagine the two of them seeing each other and just saying, "Oh hey, how's it going? Let's work out of this situation together." A.) The last time Walt saw Jesse he wanted to kill him. B.) Jesse isn't going to have any ill feelings about Walt basically causing a second death to one of his lady friends? I think there's actually a fair chance Jesse lets him have it.
Does Walt know that the Nazi's meth wasn't blue? Because if not then he still wouldn't know for sure that Jessie is alive, right? I might be totally misremembering something.
Well, the fact that Todd wants him to cook for him because he can't get the recipe right. So from that Walt could probably imply that they weren't exactly getting it right.
What does the majority think about Walt's feelings towards Jesse? For me, I can't imagine the two of them seeing each other and just saying, "Oh hey, how's it going? Let's work out of this situation together." A.) The last time Walt saw Jesse he wanted to kill him. B.) Jesse isn't going to have any ill feelings about Walt basically causing a second death to one of his lady friends? I think there's actually a fair chance Jesse lets him have it.
I'm pretty sure they despise each other. Walt blames Jesse for everything that happened (getting caught, Hank's death, etc) and Jesse hate Walt for all the obvious reasons.
That said, I think that once Walt sees whatever has happened to Jesse over the past 6 months or however long it was I think he may have a change of heart. That's a big maybe. I think Jesse is less likely to forgive than Walt is.
Does Walt know that the Nazi's meth wasn't blue? Because if not then he still wouldn't know for sure that Jessie is alive, right? I might be totally misremembering something.
Well, the fact that Todd wants him to cook for him because he can't get the recipe right. So from that Walt could probably imply that they weren't exactly getting it right.
What does the majority think about Walt's feelings towards Jesse? For me, I can't imagine the two of them seeing each other and just saying, "Oh hey, how's it going? Let's work out of this situation together." A.) The last time Walt saw Jesse he wanted to kill him. B.) Jesse isn't going to have any ill feelings about Walt basically causing a second death to one of his lady friends? I think there's actually a fair chance Jesse lets him have it.
i'm not sure how Jesse will react to seeing Walt (assuming he comes back and storms the Nazi's encampment). I feel as if, given how there has been more than a few months since Jesse first got locked up, i feel he realizes that he is a dead man eventually. That to see Walt come back and potentially be his rescue, may make him relieved (albeit not totally forgive Walt). I feel as if something will occur where Walt does indeed save Jesse, and they are happy to be saved, but in the end they are both killed by the DEA. Would Walt coming back and being murdered by the DEA, clear Skylar's name, considering she had no idea who the Nazi's were or anything else that was going on there? I do think the Ricin is for Lydia, i don't know how he is going to give it to her. I felt like there was kind of an emphasis on here asking for more of that sugar in this episode (although i could have just thought there was more emphasis because i was looking for it).
Well, the fact that Todd wants him to cook for him because he can't get the recipe right. So from that Walt could probably imply that they weren't exactly getting it right.
What does the majority think about Walt's feelings towards Jesse? For me, I can't imagine the two of them seeing each other and just saying, "Oh hey, how's it going? Let's work out of this situation together." A.) The last time Walt saw Jesse he wanted to kill him. B.) Jesse isn't going to have any ill feelings about Walt basically causing a second death to one of his lady friends? I think there's actually a fair chance Jesse lets him have it.
I'm pretty sure they despise each other. Walt blames Jesse for everything that happened (getting caught, Hank's death, etc) and Jesse hate Walt for all the obvious reasons.
That said, I think that once Walt sees whatever has happened to Jesse over the past 6 months or however long it was I think he may have a change of heart. That's a big maybe. I think Jesse is less likely to forgive than Walt is.
For sure. Walt's heart may soften a bit after seeing Jesse in his current condition, but I just don't see Jesse feeling the same after everything he has now been through. Interesting, after Todd kills Andrea, they don't give you any more insight into Jesse's story even though it seems some significant time ticks away between that event and the end of the episode.
Well, the fact that Todd wants him to cook for him because he can't get the recipe right. So from that Walt could probably imply that they weren't exactly getting it right.
What does the majority think about Walt's feelings towards Jesse? For me, I can't imagine the two of them seeing each other and just saying, "Oh hey, how's it going? Let's work out of this situation together." A.) The last time Walt saw Jesse he wanted to kill him. B.) Jesse isn't going to have any ill feelings about Walt basically causing a second death to one of his lady friends? I think there's actually a fair chance Jesse lets him have it.
i'm not sure how Jesse will react to seeing Walt (assuming he comes back and storms the Nazi's encampment). I feel as if, given how there has been more than a few months since Jesse first got locked up, i feel he realizes that he is a dead man eventually. That to see Walt come back and potentially be his rescue, may make him relieved (albeit not totally forgive Walt). I feel as if something will occur where Walt does indeed save Jesse, and they are happy to be saved, but in the end they are both killed by the DEA. Would Walt coming back and being murdered by the DEA, clear Skylar's name, considering she had no idea who the Nazi's were or anything else that was going on there? I do think the Ricin is for Lydia, i don't know how he is going to give it to her. I felt like there was kind of an emphasis on here asking for more of that sugar in this episode (although i could have just thought there was more emphasis because i was looking for it).
There's definitely a possibility Jesse feels that way, and I could see it turning out that way. Logistically though, I think Jesse's better suited to hold a grudge.
i'm not sure how Jesse will react to seeing Walt (assuming he comes back and storms the Nazi's encampment). I feel as if, given how there has been more than a few months since Jesse first got locked up, i feel he realizes that he is a dead man eventually. That to see Walt come back and potentially be his rescue, may make him relieved (albeit not totally forgive Walt). I feel as if something will occur where Walt does indeed save Jesse, and they are happy to be saved, but in the end they are both killed by the DEA. Would Walt coming back and being murdered by the DEA, clear Skylar's name, considering she had no idea who the Nazi's were or anything else that was going on there? I do think the Ricin is for Lydia, i don't know how he is going to give it to her. I felt like there was kind of an emphasis on here asking for more of that sugar in this episode (although i could have just thought there was more emphasis because i was looking for it).
There's definitely a possibility Jesse feels that way, and I could see it turning out that way. Logistically though, I think Jesse's better suited to hold a grudge.
Oh yeah i totally agree, hopefully it isn't as cliche as this but i could see something happening where like
Walt storms the encampment, finds Jesse gets him to safety, Walt runs out of ammo for gun, and Todd is alive, but he hesitates to shoot Walt because he respects Walt too much, then Jesse comes from behind and kills Todd, just before Todd can pull the trigger. Than Jesse, turns the gun on Walt. Walt understands the Jesse should kill him for what he put Jesse through. Epic stare down, where Walt closes his eyes, and nods his head (signaling to Jesse that he understands). Just as he is about to pull the trigger, the DEA shows up. Something happens where Jesse maybe shoots Walt and the DEA kills Jesse.
There's definitely a possibility Jesse feels that way, and I could see it turning out that way. Logistically though, I think Jesse's better suited to hold a grudge.
Oh yeah i totally agree, hopefully it isn't as cliche as this but i could see something happening where like
Walt storms the encampment, finds Jesse gets him to safety, Walt runs out of ammo for gun, and Todd is alive, but he hesitates to shoot Walt because he respects Walt too much, then Jesse comes from behind and kills Todd, just before Todd can pull the trigger. Than Jesse, turns the gun on Walt. Walt understands the Jesse should kill him for what he put Jesse through. Epic stare down, where Walt closes his eyes, and nods his head (signaling to Jesse that he understands). Just as he is about to pull the trigger, the DEA shows up. Something happens where Jesse maybe shoots Walt and the DEA kills Jesse.
...if he should die in the end, it should feel like a mercy killing; a release, where death is a welcome end to the suffering he's been through. Gilligan et al have been building up a TREMENDOUS amount of sympathy for him because of his suffering. Like Walt, he too has lost everything he ever loved (except Brock) but you get the sense that he at least still has a moral compass.
I've been thinking a lot about the blame being put on Walt for Andrea's death, as well as a number of other things related to Jesse. Why not blame Jesse for the things that he has done, or the things that have happened to the people around him? He is not an innocent bystander in all of this, no matter how cute he is. He has also made a lot of stupid choices. If Jesse had never started dating Jane, or if he had never done druqs with her, or if SHE (yes let's hold her responsible too) hadn't made the choice to start using again, she might not be dead. If Jesse had not been involved with Andrea, or if he had not tried to escape, (or if SHE had not opened the door to a complete stranger - Todd says "I brought Jesse to you, he's over there in that truck" - and she just walks out on the porch like that is not weird at all?) she might not be dead. It can't be all one person's fault. Yes, it all began with Walt but Jesse was a meth cooking criminal before Walt got involved with him and who knows what Jesse's path might have been, or how many other lives might've been ruined by Jesse's actions, even if Walt had never started all of this.
Also, sometimes I just want to scream at the tv screen and tell Walt to USE HIS WORDS! When Flynn/Walt Jr was yelling "You killed Uncle Hank" why didn't Walt say no, I didn't, here is what happened...? Why didn't he just stop for a moment and explain things to Skyler & Flynn/Walt Jr after Hank's murder? Why doesn't he explain things at the times when an explanation would be helpful? And don't tell me it's because he feels so guilty that he blames himself for Hank's death. That is a BS reason. The man who has done everything in Seasons 1-4 and the first half of Season 5 would not let his guilt over Hank's death cause him to lose his family. He has *lied* about worse things to keep himself in a favorable light; why wouldn't he tell the truth in this case to gain favor with his family?
Also, sometimes I just want to scream at the tv screen and tell Walt to USE HIS WORDS! When Flynn/Walt Jr was yelling "You killed Uncle Hank" why didn't Walt say no, I didn't, here is what happened...? Why didn't he just stop for a moment and explain things to Skyler & Flynn/Walt Jr after Hank's murder? Why doesn't he explain things at the times when an explanation would be helpful? And don't tell me it's because he feels so guilty that he blames himself for Hank's death. That is a BS reason. The man who has done everything in Seasons 1-4 and the first half of Season 5 would not let his guilt over Hank's death cause him to lose his family. He has *lied* about worse things to keep himself in a favorable light; why wouldn't he tell the truth in this case to gain favor with his family?
I think he is pure ego at this point, he doesn't feel that he owes anyone an explanation, let alone the truth. He had his plan to get them out of he house and off to the vacuum protection program, and became flustered when they weren't obedient. Have we ever seen Walt really tell the truth in the whole series? I agree it is very frustrating, but it seems to be perfectly in character also.
I've been thinking a lot about the blame being put on Walt for Andrea's death, as well as a number of other things related to Jesse. Why not blame Jesse for the things that he has done, or the things that have happened to the people around him? He is not an innocent bystander in all of this, no matter how cute he is. He has also made a lot of stupid choices. If Jesse had never started dating Jane, or if he had never done druqs with her, or if SHE (yes let's hold her responsible too) hadn't made the choice to start using again, she might not be dead. If Jesse had not been involved with Andrea, or if he had not tried to escape, (or if SHE had not opened the door to a complete stranger - Todd says "I brought Jesse to you, he's over there in that truck" - and she just walks out on the porch like that is not weird at all?) she might not be dead. It can't be all one person's fault. Yes, it all began with Walt but Jesse was a meth cooking criminal before Walt got involved with him and who knows what Jesse's path might have been, or how many other lives might've been ruined by Jesse's actions, even if Walt had never started all of this.
Also, sometimes I just want to scream at the tv screen and tell Walt to USE HIS WORDS! When Flynn/Walt Jr was yelling "You killed Uncle Hank" why didn't Walt say no, I didn't, here is what happened...? Why didn't he just stop for a moment and explain things to Skyler & Flynn/Walt Jr after Hank's murder? Why doesn't he explain things at the times when an explanation would be helpful? And don't tell me it's because he feels so guilty that he blames himself for Hank's death. That is a BS reason. The man who has done everything in Seasons 1-4 and the first half of Season 5 would not let his guilt over Hank's death cause him to lose his family. He has *lied* about worse things to keep himself in a favorable light; why wouldn't he tell the truth in this case to gain favor with his family?
Definitely agree with you about Jesse taking responsibility. I think there is a ton of sympathy built up for Jesse, and it's a very strong feeling for a lot of viewers. But if you really look at it, Jesse is responsible for a lot of the situations he has found himself in. He skates by a lot of the time because Walt is made to be the picture of pure evil, but that shouldn't cloud the fact that Jesse allows himself to act incorrectly at numerous times throughout the series. Especially in regards to the Jane situation, Jesse allows his shortcomings to cause someone else's downfall. In the end, Jesse really doesn't strike me as a "good person." He just so happens to be on the better/more sympathetic side of those who have 'broken bad.'
I've been thinking a lot about the blame being put on Walt for Andrea's death, as well as a number of other things related to Jesse. Why not blame Jesse for the things that he has done, or the things that have happened to the people around him? He is not an innocent bystander in all of this, no matter how cute he is. He has also made a lot of stupid choices. If Jesse had never started dating Jane, or if he had never done druqs with her, or if SHE (yes let's hold her responsible too) hadn't made the choice to start using again, she might not be dead. If Jesse had not been involved with Andrea, or if he had not tried to escape, (or if SHE had not opened the door to a complete stranger - Todd says "I brought Jesse to you, he's over there in that truck" - and she just walks out on the porch like that is not weird at all?) she might not be dead. It can't be all one person's fault. Yes, it all began with Walt but Jesse was a meth cooking criminal before Walt got involved with him and who knows what Jesse's path might have been, or how many other lives might've been ruined by Jesse's actions, even if Walt had never started all of this.
Also, sometimes I just want to scream at the tv screen and tell Walt to USE HIS WORDS! When Flynn/Walt Jr was yelling "You killed Uncle Hank" why didn't Walt say no, I didn't, here is what happened...? Why didn't he just stop for a moment and explain things to Skyler & Flynn/Walt Jr after Hank's murder? Why doesn't he explain things at the times when an explanation would be helpful? And don't tell me it's because he feels so guilty that he blames himself for Hank's death. That is a BS reason. The man who has done everything in Seasons 1-4 and the first half of Season 5 would not let his guilt over Hank's death cause him to lose his family. He has *lied* about worse things to keep himself in a favorable light; why wouldn't he tell the truth in this case to gain favor with his family?
Definitely agree with you about Jesse taking responsibility. I think there is a ton of sympathy built up for Jesse, and it's a very strong feeling for a lot of viewers. But if you really look at it, Jesse is responsible for a lot of the situations he has found himself in. He skates by a lot of the time because Walt is made to be the picture of pure evil, but that shouldn't cloud the fact that Jesse allows himself to act incorrectly at numerous times throughout the series. Especially in regards to the Jane situation, Jesse allows his shortcomings to cause someone else's downfall. In the end, Jesse really doesn't strike me as a "good person." He just so happens to be on the better/more sympathetic side of those who have 'broken bad.'
i guess as you both mentioned, everyone has more sympathy for jesse but IMO that is earned. walt had a good life, with a nice family and a steady job and then he got greedy. if you have life insurance/cancer insurance (which i know my school district provides if you want to pay for it) then your family would be set up enough without you cooking meth. lol
i feel like jesse has always had a bad life and never knew anything but terrible choices. i think he is really confused and lost and i believe walt knows EXACTLY what he is doing.
