Whether it's your first Bonnaroo or you’re a music festival veteran, we welcome you to Inforoo.
Here you'll find info about artists, rumors, camping tips, and the infamous Roo Clues. Have a look around then create an account and join in the fun. See you at Bonnaroo!!
Post by spookymonster on May 21, 2007 22:36:41 GMT -5
xeus said:
As a full blooded Greek I have always been upset my people stopped believing in Zeus and started believing in Jesus. Zeus>Jesus
I remember a History channel program a few years ago that suggested that the gospels may have been heavily influenced by the cult of Hercules. Both sprang up around the same time; both were mortals born from women impregnated by the supreme being; both had stories about tearing apart temples. I saw a few minutes of it but never caught the whole thing.
I've always been a big mythology buff. Hope my Celtic crack didn't offend... Ollie's right - I'm (mostly) harmless .
It bothers me that more then once in this thread (but really on the boards in general) a comment has been made about Jesus or Christianity and its deemed as perfectly acceptable but people (some of the same that made a Jesus comment) are getting on others cases for saying things about Paganism..
I dont know, but I get the sense that the whole "accept everybody for who they are and love them for being themselves" thing has its limitations, namely Christianity and the Republican party.
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
Post by mphsvoodoo on May 21, 2007 23:24:37 GMT -5
spookymonster...love the celtics pic, I'm a huge basketball fan. fenian....agreed, but I realize that most folks have no idea what paganism is. If they are interested I explain, if they aren't, so be it. We aren't looking for converts Peace and Love All
I know some pretty devout religious folks you could meet up with, they shouldn't be that hard to find either. They'll have these big signs that tell you you're going to hell, i think they're pagan. Seem like cool dudes. Personally, i'm happy not seeing any religion at roo.
I apologize if I offended anyone, its just that religion really seems like a divisive force and that's one of those things that i want to get away from at roo. No offense intended and I'll be looking out for the big Greek flag, awesome idea!
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 7:32:35 GMT -5
The only thing mphsvoodoo was trying to do was get people to join him/her in a celebration of "togetherness". I hardly think that requires jokes or stabs at their religion/practices. Maybe you should study up on their religion/beliefs before you start commenting on something you obviously don't know anything about (boy, here come the mad smiters). I'm actually disappointed in the reactions by some of you.
I'm sorry to mphsvoodoo as well. Sorry you had to witness close-mindedness and misinformed people spew at the mouth. (If I were pagan, I would join you in your celebrations.)
Oh yeah...if they wanted to have a celebration, why not? I'm sure it would be very peaceful and very beautiful to watch even if you don't participate.
here comes the debate - blah blah blah - if you are not a Christian - you are going to hell - ya know - if the whole world would just stop and give peace a chance and quit pusing each other's religious beliefs on people who don't want them - we would have a lot more peace.
I have already said that I am a Christian, conservative Republican - but I don't find the need to judge others for their activities. That is not my job.
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 8:38:47 GMT -5
bos1969 said:
oleander124 said:
how so?
here comes the debate - blah blah blah - if you are not a Christian - you are going to hell - ya know - if the whole world would just stop and give peace a chance and quit pusing each other's religious beliefs on people who don't want them - we would have a lot more peace.
I have already said that I am a Christian, conservative Republican - but I don't find the need to judge others for their activities. That is not my job.
Right on, meg.
Nol13, how is pagans not believing in hell a matter of perspective?
It bothers me that more then once in this thread (but really on the boards in general) a comment has been made about Jesus or Christianity and its deemed as perfectly acceptable but people (some of the same that made a Jesus comment) are getting on others cases for saying things about Paganism..
I dont know, but I get the sense that the whole "accept everybody for who they are and love them for being themselves" thing has its limitations, namely Christianity and the Republican party.
The only thing mphsvoodoo was trying to do was get people to join him/her in a celebration of "togetherness". I hardly think that requires jokes or stabs at their religion/practices. Maybe you should study up on their religion/beliefs before you start commenting on something you obviously don't know anything about (boy, here come the mad smiters). I'm actually disappointed in the reactions by some of you.
I'm sorry to mphsvoodoo as well. Sorry you had to witness close-mindedness and misinformed people spew at the mouth. (If I were pagan, I would join you in your celebrations.)
Oh yeah...if they wanted to have a celebration, why not? I'm sure it would be very peaceful and very beautiful to watch even if you don't participate.
You would also do well not to accuse people of ignorance. I know what paganism is; i made a joke referencing the people that stand by the entrances with signs that tell everyone coming in that they are going to hell. You may not have been to roo before, therefore you didn't know what i was talking about. Once again: religion is a derisive force, which is something i look forward to getting away from when I'm trying to enjoy myself and therefore don't want to see it, no matter what it is. This is why i made a joke about it and related it to the only other example of religion i have seen at roo. It only seems that if people on here have no problem making fun of those guys relentlessly, is there not a certain level of hypocrisy in saying that its alright to make fun of fundamentalist christians but not pagans? I know we've taken this argument to the extremes now, and there's not really much practical advice in here but it still seems valid. I feel like if we start making a big deal of promoting or condoning more off-beat religions than that would in-turn spark more of the fundamentalist christians to show up telling people that they are going to hell, and that would be bad for everyone. Also, next time, I would appreciate a little less condescension.
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 9:39:16 GMT -5
farmerben said:
You would also do well not to accuse people of ignorance. I know what paganism is; i made a joke referencing the people that stand by the entrances with signs that tell everyone coming in that they are going to hell. You may not have been to roo before, therefore you didn't know what i was talking about. .
I don't need to go to roo to know what the people with the "you're going to hell" signs are all about. No one needs to go to Roo to understand that. If you had truly understood what paganism is, then why would you make the joke comparing them to the people who hold the signs? Doesn't seem like a good joke to me.
Seeing as you say you know what paganism is, you would know that paganism is just about the opposite from that and a joke about it was unneccesary and undeserving of the person who truly practices pagan/wiccan religion.
Once again: religion is a derisive force, which is something i look forward to getting away from when I'm trying to enjoy myself and therefore don't want to see it, no matter what it is. This is why i made a joke about it and related it to the only other example of religion i have seen at roo.
Just because you don't want to see it doesn't mean that mphsvoodoo shouldn't have a celebration of togetherness. Man, that does sound like a bad ceremony, doesn't it? ??? If you don't like it, then just don't show up for it.
It only seems that if people on here have no problem making fun of those guys relentlessly, is there not a certain level of hypocrisy in saying that its alright to make fun of fundamentalist christians but not pagans?
I've never made fun of a christian on these boards. It's not right to make fun of ANYONE'S religion, no matter what it may be.
The only thing mphsvoodoo was trying to do was get people to join him/her in a celebration of "togetherness". I hardly think that requires jokes or stabs at their religion/practices. Maybe you should study up on their religion/beliefs before you start commenting on something you obviously don't know anything about (boy, here come the mad smiters). I'm actually disappointed in the reactions by some of you.
I'm sorry to mphsvoodoo as well. Sorry you had to witness close-mindedness and misinformed people spew at the mouth. (If I were pagan, I would join you in your celebrations.)
Oh yeah...if they wanted to have a celebration, why not? I'm sure it would be very peaceful and very beautiful to watch even if you don't participate.
You would also do well not to accuse people of ignorance. I know what paganism is; i made a joke referencing the people that stand by the entrances with signs that tell everyone coming in that they are going to hell. You may not have been to roo before, therefore you didn't know what i was talking about. Once again: religion is a derisive force, which is something i look forward to getting away from when I'm trying to enjoy myself and therefore don't want to see it, no matter what it is. This is why i made a joke about it and related it to the only other example of religion i have seen at roo. It only seems that if people on here have no problem making fun of those guys relentlessly, is there not a certain level of hypocrisy in saying that its alright to make fun of fundamentalist christians but not pagans? I know we've taken this argument to the extremes now, and there's not really much practical advice in here but it still seems valid. I feel like if we start making a big deal of promoting or condoning more off-beat religions than that would in-turn spark more of the fundamentalist christians to show up telling people that they are going to hell, and that would be bad for everyone. Also, next time, I would appreciate a little less condescension.
I might be wrong but it seems to me that you are taking someone disagreeing with your first post in this thread a little too personally. I mean come on - we understand that you were making a joke - we understand that there are Christian Fundamentalkist Zealots that stand by the side of the road. All mphsvoodoo was trying to do was find like-minded people - it is no different then posting something asking if there are gays at 'roo or what the diversity of 'roo is.
We get that you made a joke - no one is promoting or condoning anything at this point - the whole atmosphere of 'roo is one of acceptance of all things. Sure I am a Republican - do you really think they are going to come for me in the night with flames and pitchforks to burn me on a huge bonfire - nope - people have more important things to do - like see the shows we came to see and have a good time.
Post by spookymonster on May 22, 2007 9:41:46 GMT -5
Personally, being raised a Roman Catholic, 12 years of Catholic school catechism was enough to make me jump ship. I can sympathize with Protestants (especially Lutherans) on principle, but Christianity as a whole has too many skeletons in the closet for my taste. If anyone really wants to understand why there's such a backlash against Christians (RCs in particular), just look at the history of sanctioned genocides (Inquisition), mercenary land-grabs (Crusades), and out-right political whoring (WWII).
As for polytheism, I find the whole idea of transcendental beings (gods, spirits, loa... whatever) pretty, but unrealistic. I guess that's what faith is all about tho', isn't it... what dogma is within your capacity for belief?
Lately, I've been leaning towards Buddhism. The focus on living your life (instead of just building 'credit' for the after-life) appeals to me.
Personally, being raised a Roman Catholic, 12 years of Catholic school catechism was enough to make me jump ship. I can sympathize with Protestants (especially Lutherans) on principle, but Christianity as a whole has too many skeletons in the closet for my taste. If anyone really wants to understand why there's such a backlash against Christians (RCs in particular), just look at the history of sanctioned genocides (Inquisition), mercenary land-grabs (Crusades), and out-right political whoring (WWII).
As for polytheism, I find the whole idea of transcendental beings (gods, spirits, loa... whatever) pretty, but unrealistic. I guess that's what faith is all about tho', isn't it... what dogma is within your capacity for belief?
Lately, I've been leaning towards Buddhism. The focus on living your life (instead of just building 'credit' for the after-life) appeals to me.
Being Lutheran - glad to see that you sympathise with me - LOL. I have to say tho - that I am open to just about any religion and any belief that anyone has.
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 9:50:08 GMT -5
bos1969 said:
All mphsvoodoo was trying to do was find like-minded people - it is no different then posting something asking if there are gays at 'roo or what the diversity of 'roo is.
**applause**
Yeah...it's like saying "I'm not gay, so I don't want to see any gay people at Roo huggin' an' kissin'. I go to Roo to escape gay people."
Post by spookymonster on May 22, 2007 9:50:10 GMT -5
bos1969 said:
Being Lutheran - glad to see that you sympathise with me - LOL.
Something about a guy having the balls to nail to his boss's door an essay entitled "99 Reasons You Make Me Sick" (or something to that effect ) just does it for me.
Christianity, like all religion, is about the individual. Any organized religion. like any powerful organization, will be corruptable (and IMHO corrupted.)
Being Lutheran - glad to see that you sympathise with me - LOL.
Something about a guy having the balls to nail to his boss's door an essay entitled "99 Reasons You Make Me Sick" (or something to that effect ) just does it for me.
Im not going to spend the time and effort defending Catholicism in this thread, mostly because its off topic, but also because I would rather focus on what unites us and not divides us. I have no problem with Pagans getting together and doing their thing and I dont think that this thread in any way could have offended anybody. I also was not trying to attack Paganism in my earlier post, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of certain people who promote acceptance unless it comes to Christianity or conservative politics.
That said, less then 23 days!!! Bonnaroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 10:03:16 GMT -5
fenian34 said:
I also was not trying to attack Paganism in my earlier post, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of certain people who promote acceptance unless it comes to Christianity or conservative politics.
I also was not trying to attack Paganism in my earlier post, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of certain people who promote acceptance unless it comes to Christianity or conservative politics.
Were you referring to me? Just wonderin'
No, and its more about the board in general then this one thread. Just things I have noticed floating around elsewhere on here.
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
Probably me. I pulled out the golden rule as a reason that many people don't give conservative christians the time of day. So tired of being judged, eliminated from healthcare opportunities, promised hell, jailed, stoned--anything BUT turned the other cheek upon, that NO. I don't give a royal crap about someone who is motivated solely by the idea of getting into heaven, rather than helping or trying to understand those around them.
Sorry. They've had their day. I'm a former confirmed catholic and i wanna know one thing. As unsettled as this whole religion thing is, why Do most religions not present it to a child as a choice, perhaps one of life's toughest. No. Instead , they instill it with fear and guilt. And absolutism. No wonder people knee-jerkedly react to the self righteousness.
All mphsvoodoo was trying to do was find like-minded people - it is no different then posting something asking if there are gays at 'roo or what the diversity of 'roo is.
**applause**
Yeah...it's like saying "I'm not gay, so I don't want to see any gay people at Roo huggin' an' kissin'. I go to Roo to escape gay people."
NO, its not like that at all (though i do appreciate the insult). I have no problem with gays, nor do i have a problem with Pagans. However, i do have a problem with people making a big deal or "celebration of togetherness" at a place where thousands and thousands of people come to have a good time and not be confronted with religion. To continue your metaphor, that would be like people trying to have a huge "Gay Pride" parade. I have no problem with gays, as i'm sure most people at roo don't, however it is neither the time nor the place. You want to be accepted for your lifestyle choice? Fine by me, just don't try and trump up the fact that you're different. If you want to be pagan, fine, you can keep it to yourself until it comes up in conversation. These are divisive issues that are not necessary; people come to roo to be together for a few days and not be confronted with the aspects of normal society that tear people apart. It would be like having a big "Pro-choice" rally. Its not necessary. And just for the record, i have absolutely no problem with paganism, only have problems with close-minded, hypocritical thought. There is a point where the idealism that people are trying to bring crosses the line. I don't want this to happen at roo.