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I quote: How is a CELEBRATION OF TOGETHERNESS reminding people of a society that is tearing people apart?
Listen (or read)...I asked why a celebration of togetherness is a reminder of a society that is tearing people apart, not why the ceremony is devisive.
It's an oxymoron to say that a celebration of togetherness is devisive.
It's devisive when it includes only a few. That's what I said in the first place.
I'm not for it, I'm not against it. I just answered your question.
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 11:19:44 GMT -5
alyroo said:
oleander124 said:
Listen (or read)...I asked why a celebration of togetherness is a reminder of a society that is tearing people apart, not why the ceremony is devisive.
It's an oxymoron to say that a celebration of togetherness is devisive.
It's devisive when it includes only a few. That's what I said in the first place.
I'm not for it, I'm not against it. I just answered your question.
But my entire point to you was that it doesn't only include a few. I'm sure they would let anyone who wanted to celebrate with them do so. I highly doubt they would turn anyone away.
But it's a pagan ceremony. That wouldn't exactly include christians or muslims or buddhists, now would it? To some it would be offensive. That's what it means to be devisive. It divides our big happy bonnaroo family into factions of religion.
But it's a pagan ceremony. That wouldn't exactly include christians or muslims or buddhists, now would it? To some it would be offensive. That's what it means to be devisive. It divides our big happy bonnaroo family into factions of religion.
Hey man, it's happened before. Look at my previous post on this thread. Groups like bonnajew got together to celebrate in the past and it didn't divide roo into some holy war. From my experience people are much more passionate about their music!
But it's a pagan ceremony. That wouldn't exactly include christians or muslims or buddhists, now would it? To some it would be offensive. That's what it means to be devisive. It divides our big happy bonnaroo family into factions of religion.
Hey man, it's happened before. Look at my previous post on this thread. Groups like bonnajew got together to celebrate in the past and it didn't divide roo into some holy war. From my experience people are much more passionate about their music!
I know. I'm not taking a stance on either pro-ceremony or anti-ceremony. I just answered a question on why it could be devisive.
I'm all for like-minded people getting together. That's great!
Athiests want the absence of religion at Bonnaroo, so pretty much they get what they want and life sucks for the people that actually believe in things?
I think the Atheists probably just wanna party to some good tunes at Bonnaroo.
But if you'd like, we can have a Poor Christian white Guy party around the garden I've planted in the dead horse.
Spirituality trumps religion, again !
so what? now only GUYS can be Poor and Christian, is that what you are saying?
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 11:58:11 GMT -5
alyroo said:
I'm sure they wouldn't.
But it's a pagan ceremony. That wouldn't exactly include christians or muslims or buddhists, now would it? To some it would be offensive. That's what it means to be devisive. It divides our big happy bonnaroo family into factions of religion.
He asked for pagan/wiccan/alt religious folks, not strictly pagans. And, yes, it could include christians or muslims or buddhists...if they wanted to participate I'm sure they would be allowed to do so.
But it's a pagan ceremony. That wouldn't exactly include christians or muslims or buddhists, now would it? To some it would be offensive. That's what it means to be devisive. It divides our big happy bonnaroo family into factions of religion.
He asked for pagan/wiccan/alt religious folks, not strictly pagans. And, yes, it could include christians or muslims or buddhists...if they wanted to participate I'm sure they would be allowed to do so.
Funny thing is - I started to ask if I could come observe - the Wiccan rituals are beautiful and I am sure the Pagan (of nature) type rituals are equally beautiful - very earthy and connected to the life force in us all.
But it's a pagan ceremony. That wouldn't exactly include christians or muslims or buddhists, now would it? To some it would be offensive. That's what it means to be devisive. It divides our big happy bonnaroo family into factions of religion.
He asked for pagan/wiccan/alt religious folks, not strictly pagans. And, yes, it could include christians or muslims or buddhists...if they wanted to participate I'm sure they would be allowed to do so.
As I've said... I'm sure nobody would be turned away.
but let's say it was christians having a prayer meeting, they would welcome any body who wanted to worship with them, but it would be worshipping their way in their group, some people don't want to worship that way and would avoid it. Just as a christian might avoid an alt religious ceremony. That puts one group over there <-------- and another group over there --------->
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 12:12:34 GMT -5
alyroo said:
As I've said... I'm sure nobody would be turned away.
but let's say it was christians having a prayer meeting, they would welcome any body who wanted to worship with them, but it would be worshipping their way in their group, some people don't want to worship that way and would avoid it. Just as a christian might avoid an alt religious ceremony. That puts one group over there <-------- and another group over there --------->
that's devisive. and that's all I was saying
Just as I may not want to see Tool, so then:
I'll be at another stage----------another group of fans over there----------
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 12:24:18 GMT -5
alyroo said:
yes there will.
and religion is one of those things that divides, just like politics. Which is why I leave all of that behind for one awesome weekend in June.
Yes. But, I think that if a group decides to celebrate, then they should be allowed to do it as long as they are not disturbing others (and by disturbing I do not mean "annoy").
I wouldn't care if a bunch of christians had a prayer beside my tent every morning. I'll just go somewhere else. (no offense to christians.)
Post by nomorewarmpabst on May 22, 2007 14:20:15 GMT -5
Is this the group known as People Against Goodness and Normalcy from the movie Dragnet? I love that movie. I just hope that somewhere in the world there is someone who cites that as Tom Hanks's best movie... that or Bachelor Party.
I hope those of all persuasions enjoy their Bonnaroos, ceremonies or not, even those misguided souls who thought Mr. Furley was the better landlord on Three's Company
"Stealing? How could you?! Haven’t you learned anything from that guy who gives those sermons at church? Captain What’s-his-name? We live in a society of laws. Why do you think I took you to all those Police Academy movies? For fun? Well, I didn’t hear anybody laughin’, did you? Except at that guy who made sound effects. Where was I? Oh yeah -- stay out of my booze."
Post by zappaphile on May 22, 2007 14:49:55 GMT -5
xeus said:
farmerben said:
I know some pretty devout religious folks you could meet up with, they shouldn't be that hard to find either. They'll have these big signs that tell you you're going to hell, i think they're pagan. Seem like cool dudes. Personally, i'm happy not seeing any religion at roo.
Maybe you're thinking of street preachers? manic possibly?
No, Wiccans, Pagans usually don't push their beliefs on anyone. In this stage in my life I feel sorry for anyone who attempts to do that because it means I can ridicule and tear them apart but thankfully I haven't yet been chastised or warned that I'll be punished by any Pagan gods so I respect them in that sense.
As a full blooded Greek I have always been upset my people stopped believing in Zeus and started believing in Jesus. Zeus>Jesus
big karma for the avatar. electric wizard rules my f---ing face!
Post by mphsvoodoo on May 22, 2007 14:56:33 GMT -5
Alright folks, I really never meant to start all this. I just thought it would be nice to gather a group of like minded people to party/celebrate nature, take the sacrements Shakedown will offer (ok, nobody freak out cause I used the term sacrement to describe that treat, Native Americans actually do consider it a sacrement ) It was never meant to divide...just bring a few souls together in the sea of humanity. Okay?? I appreciate oleander defending my right to practice my Faith...as I would defend anyone else right to practice their individual beliefs. And I would not think of excluding anyone that was sending out positive vibes. There are many people who identify themselves as Christian/Jewish witches. If anyone is interested the best site to explore is www.witchvox.com they really rock the Pagan scene. All that said, take a chill pill people, hell take two...let's just have a good time...Pagans, Christians, Jews, Red, White, Blues. I will now extricate the foot from my mouth and we will all play nice and let each live their own. Peaceful Pagan Vibes to ALL
Alright folks, I really never meant to start all this. I just thought it would be nice to gather a group of like minded people to party/celebrate nature, take the sacrements Shakedown will offer (ok, nobody freak out cause I used the term sacrement to describe that treat, Native Americans actually do consider it a sacrement ) It was never meant to divide...just bring a few souls together in the sea of humanity. Okay?? I appreciate oleander defending my right to practice my Faith...as I would defend anyone else right to practice their individual beliefs. And I would not think of excluding anyone that was sending out positive vibes. There are many people who identify themselves as Christian/Jewish witches. If anyone is interested the best site to explore is www.witchvox.com they really rock the Pagan scene. All that said, take a chill pill people, hell take two...let's just have a good time...Pagans, Christians, Jews, Red, White, Blues. I will now extricate the foot from my mouth and we will all play nice and let each live their own. Peaceful Pagan Vibes to ALL
Amen!
But seriously, if you do get a group together and you'd like to include the less-familiar-yet-open-minded folks amongst us, please post a time. I'm sure it will be quite a lovely affair.
Post by oleander124 on May 22, 2007 16:20:01 GMT -5
mariposa said:
mphsvoodoo said:
Alright folks, I really never meant to start all this. I just thought it would be nice to gather a group of like minded people to party/celebrate nature, take the sacrements Shakedown will offer (ok, nobody freak out cause I used the term sacrement to describe that treat, Native Americans actually do consider it a sacrement ) It was never meant to divide...just bring a few souls together in the sea of humanity. Okay?? I appreciate oleander defending my right to practice my Faith...as I would defend anyone else right to practice their individual beliefs. And I would not think of excluding anyone that was sending out positive vibes. There are many people who identify themselves as Christian/Jewish witches. If anyone is interested the best site to explore is www.witchvox.com they really rock the Pagan scene. All that said, take a chill pill people, hell take two...let's just have a good time...Pagans, Christians, Jews, Red, White, Blues. I will now extricate the foot from my mouth and we will all play nice and let each live their own. Peaceful Pagan Vibes to ALL
Amen!
But seriously, if you do get a group together and you'd like to include the less-familiar-yet-open-minded folks amongst us, please post a time. I'm sure it will be quite a lovely affair.
Yeah...please keep us informed. I may be interested in this.