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Post by beholderseye on Jun 16, 2009 13:20:45 GMT -5
I am hoping someone out there has any information on this incident, because it disturbed my friends and I to a high degree. On Friday around 6-7:00 in the evening, we were walking towards centeroo from the pod 8-9 area. There is this area with an information tent, an observation tower, and a bunch of trucks (they were selling ice there a few times) right next to a nice little patch of woods. There is a fence between this area and the patch of woods though. I think there were some people camping in it, not too sure.
Anyhow, while we were walking, we heard a girl screaming "No! Stop it! HELP!" and stuff like that. I'm sure all of you can figure out what we thought was going on. Everyone was just kind of stunned at first, but there were people that ran to go help out. The fence was kind of tall though, difficult to jump. The security tower guy called in some people on the ATVs who I believe got behind the fence, but by the time that happened, the screaming had stopped. I know a few guys also managed to jump the fence, but it all seemed too late.
I know that there are lots of good people at these festivals, girls, but all of you need to keep your wits about you. They are still human beings and not EVERYONE is good peoples. I was hoping that my worst fears were not true and that it was, although still bad, just a domestic violence thing. Anyone have any information on this incident, witness it, or read about it?
Post by bamadancer on Jun 16, 2009 13:27:41 GMT -5
It's not just the girl's responsibility to "keep her wits about her"...just FYI...rape and domestic violence will stop only when men work to stop it...I hate the argument that it's a girl's fault just b/c she wasn't aware of her situation/intoxicated/etc. You never "ask for it"!
There were several times this year where I heard people yelling for security because they thought it was funny. And it could have easily been someone having a horrible trip. Hell, I have seen girls freak out on friends and close acquaintances as if they were being raped because they drank too much and didn't know how to handle themselves.
There were several times this year where I heard people yelling for security because they thought it was funny. And it could have easily been someone having a horrible trip. Hell, I have seen girls freak out on friends and close acquaintances as if they were being raped because they drank too much and didn't know how to handle themselves.
I know what you are saying here, but the sound of this girl and all... it was fairly clear to anyone listening exactly what was happening. It sounded downright animalistic. The screams were blood curdling. I haven't read any reports about any rapes at Bonnaroo, but I did read that there were a few instances of domestic violence. While I know that this is horrible as well, I can only hope that some poor girl didn't get violated there. As another poster mentioned, I am not at ALL blaming it on the girl, but trying to raise awareness that not everybody at Bonnaroo is friendly and some are downright predators.
It's not just the girl's responsibility to "keep her wits about her"...just FYI...rape and domestic violence will stop only when men work to stop it...I hate the argument that it's a girl's fault just b/c she wasn't aware of her situation/intoxicated/etc. You never "ask for it"!
You are correct. But you are also missing the point. I experienced a situation that is somewhat analogous to the warning given at the beginning of this thread. I was once jump by some thugs. I think there were three of them. I'm not sure because I've never managed to remember the 15 seconds during which they broke five bones in my face, including my jaw and the four bones that connect my cheek bone effectively removing my entire cheekbone the face of my skull. Was I asking for it? Is it my fault? No, but if were less drunk, more aware and had my wits about me better then my face wouldn't be held together with titanium. That happened to me on the streets of NYC. It's much easier to let your guard down at roo. I think the advice here is sound and simple. Be careful.
Out of the nine that went with us this year, we had two ladies types. One of us would always go with them to make a late night bathroom run or whatever. It pays to be aware of your surroundings.
Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, these are principles that every man of every faith can embrace. These are not polite suggestions, these are codes of behavior and those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost.
We forget sometimes that for 4 days, Bonnaroo is a city of 80,000 people. Bad s**t will happen, no matter how great it is on the farm. Hope that woman is OK.
Post by Filthy McNasty on Jun 17, 2009 10:44:39 GMT -5
Okay, so everyone is playing the sex card now... When I lived in Minnesota I was about 15-17 and not the most prudish person, I would wear mini skirts and tube tops, and go walking around like it was no one's business. I will never forget what my father told me one night as I was walking out the door at 11 p.m. to go to the park. He said, "If you go out there dressed like that and you get raped, don't expect me to be upset cause you brought it on yourself." Now, I don't agree with physical abuse or rape, and neither does my dad, but if you are dumb enough to get screwed up, and then walk off with complete strangers, you're on your own. I do hope she's alright, but I don't wanna hear anyone say that the women are never responsible, cause I'm a woman and I know that I've asked for it a couple times, I'm just lucky to have learned that lesson a while ago. It's like women who dress with their boobs hanging out, and then get mad when men look. Well, PUT THEM AWAY IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT! They're men, that's what they do. I look at boobs, not cause I'm gay, but cause they're there. So please, stop with the finger pointing.
Post by Filthy McNasty on Jun 17, 2009 14:42:32 GMT -5
Not persay walking by yourself, but with other people that you have no idea who or what their intentions are. Just keep your guard up is all I'm sayin.
Post by Filthy McNasty on Jun 19, 2009 10:27:25 GMT -5
That ain't right for people to be hitting each other at Roo, or for anything else to happen for that matter. One of my bonnacrew saw this guy making fun of a chick's hat, so she threw it off and started to cuss him out, another hippie chick picked her hat up and brought it back to her, and the chick just threw it right down, and dude called her names and dared her to hit him, and he stupidly turned around after that cause she punched him full force in the back of the head and dropped him.
Im surprised at how everyone thinks this is a rainbow heady brah love fest.....there are so many people there, and a lot of skecth balls too.....Add to that them eating corn and you get people stealing, and what not...People shouldnt go into Bonnaroo thinking it is this heady vibes place, but rather there is a percentage of sketch balls here and those i need to watch out for...
Post by pixiestix21 on Jun 19, 2009 17:34:04 GMT -5
it's true of Bonnaroo just like it's true of any place...keep your head and your wits about you when you're alone and take care of each other when you're in a group. you can get hurt/robbed/messed with, etc anywhere if you look or act like a potential target!
Post by Filthy McNasty on Jun 20, 2009 19:13:36 GMT -5
It's like people think that druqs are what makes others do wrong. I can tell you for certain that if I was gonna steal something on druqs, I'd probably do the same off of them. They don't make you do stuff, you're the same person no matter what you're on. It depends on the people. John Lennon smoked, does that make him a horrible person? The Beatles tripped! I guess they were horrible people for that reason as well? Druqs are what you make them, it all depends on you. Haha, besides, if these activities were not experienced, we might not have the Magical Mystery Tour, and Yellow Submarine....
Post by myscatterheart on Jun 20, 2009 19:20:02 GMT -5
^. Bonnaroo is just a microcosm of our civilization as a people, collectively. Unfortunately this contains not only the loving vibes we all speak of, but also the darkness we little talk about. As unfortunate as the bad occurrences are, it is true naivety to go to Bonnaroo and not think that there is a great risk of these things happening. I'd just like to echo the sentiments above: Watch out for yourself, watch out for others. No one should be out alone at night, because you just don't really know who else is out there. It might seem like overkill, but it's better than the alternative. There are a lot of good people at Bonnaroo, from what I saw. But I don't hesitate to say that there's also a lot of bad people at Bonnaroo. Be smart. Be safe. And really be thoughtful of those around you - especially those who may not be in a state that allows them to look out for themselves.
God damn.. Roo is such a peaceful place, I can't imagine being upset or mean or hurtful there. If someone can rape or hurt someone during something like this, imagine what they are like in "real life". Yikes.
Yeah, but usually society flows with the energy that surrounds them. Roo is very positive, so typically I feel like people are less likely to commit crimes that hurt others. That's how 80,000 people can party their asses off for 4 days and very little negative things happen.
Unless you mean that Bonnaroo is real life and what we're in now isn't.. then yes, I agree. hahaha
I went to Bonnaroo alone this year and had an amazing time, I got lost the first night but made an adventure out of it. I don't agree with the people who are saying you shouldn't walk alone at night. I did at Bonnaroo, and I do in my own city. I'm not going to live my life afraid of what can be in the dark, that to me is dumb. You're not really living if you're worried constantly about what could be there with you. Just know how to protect yourself, but don't be constantly afraid that something is going to happen.
Post by myscatterheart on Jun 22, 2009 17:55:59 GMT -5
^true There's a difference between people who are alert and live in an environment (like the city) who have to have this frame of mind from day to day and people that are naive about these things. Sometimes there are just chicks that don't have their head on straight, don't know how to watch their ass, etc etc
Post by groovy_uv802 on Jun 22, 2009 21:49:40 GMT -5
yea, watch you back, solo missions are sweet and should not exclude people, but the buddy system is fun too. watch ur back and front, but dont fear the Other or unknown or change or fear. have fun and be safe.
Post by plasticpepper on Jun 22, 2009 22:23:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I totally feel safe walking around Bonnaroo by myself. I kinda prefer to be with other people at night, partially just because once it gets dark it gets trickier to find stuff and I'm AWFUL at directions so I'd probably never find my tent again, haha. But there's no need for anyone to feel like they can't go have a good time, even if that means going off by yourself to see the show you want to see or whatever. You just have to pay attention to your surroundings...I don't think I would want to be doing anything mind-altering walking around by myself at 'roo (or anywhere else for that matter) because you just need to be aware of what's going on. If you get a sketchy vibe from someone then you just go somewhere else. And the best thing about Bonnaroo is that you're surrounded by thousands of good people. If there's one or two bad apples mixed in, it's not usually going to be a huge deal because if anything should happen there are a ton of other people who will help you out.
This is a little off-topic but I felt like weighing in because even though something can occasionally go wrong, that can happen anywhere and I wouldn't want anyone to feel like they weren't safe going to 'Roo.
Okay, so everyone is playing the sex card now... When I lived in Minnesota I was about 15-17 and not the most prudish person, I would wear mini skirts and tube tops, and go walking around like it was no one's business. I will never forget what my father told me one night as I was walking out the door at 11 p.m. to go to the park. He said, "If you go out there dressed like that and you get raped, don't expect me to be upset cause you brought it on yourself." Now, I don't agree with physical abuse or rape, and neither does my dad, but if you are dumb enough to get screwed up, and then walk off with complete strangers, you're on your own. I do hope she's alright, but I don't wanna hear anyone say that the women are never responsible, cause I'm a woman and I know that I've asked for it a couple times, I'm just lucky to have learned that lesson a while ago. It's like women who dress with their boobs hanging out, and then get mad when men look. Well, PUT THEM AWAY IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT! They're men, that's what they do. I look at boobs, not cause I'm gay, but cause they're there. So please, stop with the finger pointing.
I cannot believe that I read a post like this, and I have to say that I absolutely disagree with everything you just said here.
Rape is not about sex. It is about dominance and violence.
I can be dancing wasted on a table, naked, at a party full of strangers, and it is still not ok for one of them to touch me if I do not want them to. Now, would I choose to do that? Probably not. Are there sketchy dude's out there that women need to be aware of? Yes. We need to be aware of our surroundings, and look out for each other as much as possible. But no one can be in complete control all the time. The point is that it is fucked up men that think it's ok to push women around that is the problem. Not a mini skirt. It is not my responsibility to make sure some random man on the street does not commit a crime.
Also, keep in mind that most rapes are committed by an acquaintance, not 5 strangers you walked off into the woods with.