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Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 12, 2009 22:20:18 GMT -5
Alright, since none of you f*ckers are even responding to any of my rationalizations here I got just one last bit of insight for you all and then I'm done trying. If nothing, please atleast read this one... although there's much more substantial evidence in all of my posts if you'd take the care to read them and actually think about it.
It appears the mafia have had it out to make HGH guilty the entire game. Day 1 voting, only one person voted HGH. Of course, that person is EAP as expected. Who gets offed in night 1 by the mafia? None other than EAP! (Notice miss Inspector here and who her vote was for. It definitely wasn't for the name given her, even though there was already one vote aimed towards HGH. It seems like a reasonable time to try and get her voted off in round 1, no?)
Day two comes and the ONLY two people who are initially trying to vote HGH off are Roo and Jen. And again I say, Roo is the one who voted HGH first. We ALL agreed that his theory of HGH was absolutely resharded, for lack of a better term. Not a single soul believed him, except for Jen. People shrugged it off and were about to vote someone else off when Jen dropped her knowledge of being Inspector with HGH's name. How the hell could Roo have been so sure of HGH's identity before Jen was even voting for HGH!? If he was positive she was the inspector, why would he have voted HGH when she hadn't even voted for her yet at that point in the round?! Am I seriously the only one who sees through all this blatant bullhonkey brah!?!?
You guys are some of the densest townspeople I've ever played with if you don't see this. It's not like it'd be the first time anyone ever played the fake inspector claim card or anything.
My theory on who the Inspector was is EAP. She voted HGH to stick to her normal routine, but even made a note suggesting god forbid she vote anyone else less she be seen as suspicious. The mafia used this to their advantage to kill EAP and then set up HGH for certain death by townspeople. Classic example of framing right there.
So Rooconteur, since you have nothing better to say other than "i vote strum" at the moment why don't you atleast answer a question for me.
How did you suspect Jen was inspector and hence vote for HGH... when Jen hadn't even placed a vote yet, and had never once even mentioned HGH's name at that point?
It appears the mafia have had it out to make HGH guilty the entire game. Day 1 voting, only one person voted HGH. Of course, that person is EAP as expected. Who gets offed in night 1 by the mafia? None other than EAP! (Notice miss Inspector here and who her vote was for. It definitely wasn't for the name given her, even though there was already one vote aimed towards HGH. It seems like a reasonable time to try and get her voted off in round 1, no?)
for one, eap always votes HGH first round, just like higgi always seems to vote kel. also, as far as being inspector, it's never a good idea to vote for the name you got first round. you become immediately suspicious in the eyes of the mafia. i got offed the first night last round because i voted bacon COMPLETELY randomly, and the mafia thought i'd been given his name...which i hadn't.
Day two comes and the ONLY two people who are initially trying to vote HGH off are Roo and Jen. And again I say, Roo is the one who voted HGH first. We ALL agreed that his theory of HGH was absolutely resharded, for lack of a better term. Not a single soul believed him, except for Jen. People shrugged it off and were about to vote someone else off when Jen dropped her knowledge of being Inspector with HGH's name. How the hell could Roo have been so sure of HGH's identity before Jen was even voting for HGH!? If he was positive she was the inspector, why would he have voted HGH when she hadn't even voted for her yet at that point in the round?! Am I seriously the only one who sees through all this blatant bullhonkey brah!?!?
this point i can see. i admittedly haven't read all of the posts as closely as possible, as i've been having to use my phone for the most part, but i think tonight i'll go back through and give it a second look. i definitely remember thinking roo's theory was a little out there.
You guys are some of the densest townspeople I've ever played with if you don't see this. It's not like it'd be the first time anyone ever played the fake inspector claim card or anything.
true, it wouldn't be the first fake inspector card. however, you can't blame me for being quick to vote for you when you were JUST AS DENSE with higgi's accusations of me.
My theory on who the Inspector was is EAP. She voted HGH to stick to her normal routine, but even made a note suggesting god forbid she vote anyone else less she be seen as suspicious. The mafia used this to their advantage to kill EAP and then set up HGH for certain death by townspeople. Classic example of framing right there.
she made that "note" because last game she was jumped on and asked relentlessly why she voted higgi and not HGH the first round. that's what i believe the reference to be about. in fact, i would think it would be smarter on the mafia's part to kill eap and use the whole reverse psychology bit to say "oh well HGH wouldn't be stupid enough to kill the one person who voted for her".
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 12, 2009 23:55:08 GMT -5
First off, let me say thank you for finally being one person to read my post and question me about it. I was starting to get really irritated how Jen and Roo can just avoid all my rationalizations and not answer a damn thing and still have all the support they need, whereas when I actually address the issues at hand with logic I'm still the one up the creek without a paddle.
for one, eap always votes HGH first round, just like higgi always seems to vote kel. also, as far as being inspector, it's never a good idea to vote for the name you got first round. you become immediately suspicious in the eyes of the mafia. i got offed the first night last round because i voted bacon COMPLETELY randomly, and the mafia thought i'd been given his name...which i hadn't.
I realize EAP always votes HGH. I'm saying wouldn't that have been a good opportunity for Jen if she was inspector to also vote HGH, knowing that she would be guaranteed more or less to atleast have 2 votes total the first round. I dunno, it seemed to be reasonable to me. But I do agree with your logic of inspectors not voting for their given name the first night. I just know this doesn't apply this game cause Jen's not the inspector
true, it wouldn't be the first fake inspector card. however, you can't blame me for being quick to vote for you when you were JUST AS DENSE with higgi's accusations of me.
I realize you have plenty of reason to be skeptical of me based on my persistence of voting you in round 2. But, please remember that was just one round of voting, it's not like I've had it out for you from the beginning like Higgi. And I was also very vocal in the discussion of my theories the entire time with who I thought could be guilty, and for whatever reason you always came up in the middle of them. I do know my latest theory of who was guilty happened to have Rooconteur suddenly involved, right before Jen decided to accuse me of being mafia. Remember also when I was buying all the inspector hints from Rooconteur that I refrained from voting for him because I thought it could be a huge mistake for the townspeople. I think as mafia I would've jumped on any chance possible to have a hinting inspector voted off.
she made that "note" because last game she was jumped on and asked relentlessly why she voted higgi and not HGH the first round. that's what i believe the reference to be about. in fact, i would think it would be smarter on the mafia's part to kill eap and use the whole reverse psychology bit to say "oh well HGH wouldn't be stupid enough to kill the one person who voted for her".
I know it seems like a clear reference to the previous game. I watched that unfold and am well aware. But do realize that some more clever players of the game actually like to drop subtle hints when they're inspector. I don't think it's safe to just shrug off any comment without really thinking about it. You can't tell me it's not atleast a possibility.
also, higgi's vote for me makes me actually consider strum's reasoning as far as his defense. i'm not changing my vote right now, but higgi will be next on my wanted list if i don't hear any better reasoning for wasting his vote.
I hear ya on that loud and clear hippie! Higgi can you please tell us why you really voted for hippie? I mean if you really believe strum to be mafia, why wouldn't you vote for him? But as it has been previously pointed out, you two did try to take down hippie last round. And we all know you're sneaky... are you up to something?
i was just being an ass, and trying to get under hippies skin haha. you girls and your seriousness, good grief.
i believe jen... and although i do really admire strums persistence, i must vote him to death.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 13, 2009 0:20:59 GMT -5
Note to self: Next time someone claims to be Inspector and names you as mafia, don't fight with reason. Just claim to be an inspector too. More people will believe you.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Aug 13, 2009 1:24:00 GMT -5
Sorry it took me so long to post, but I was up at the Cards game all day. And as much as I believe that Roocon's whole reasoning is questionable, I don't see why if Jen and Roo were mafia they would come out and accuse Strumn because the game was going pretty well for them at that point.
Sorry it took me so long to post, but I was up at the Cards game all day. And as much as I believe that Roocon's whole reasoning is questionable, I don't see why if Jen and Roo were mafia they would come out and accuse Strumn because the game was going pretty well for them at that point.
I feel like I covered that in pretty much every one of my posts...
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 13, 2009 9:16:34 GMT -5
^^I appreciate the suggestion of confidence, Hippie. But I've said all I can say on the matter and you're the only one who seems to have read any of it.
I'm fine with voting reopening but it seriously doesn't look like it would really change drastically or anything. Unless you've got some heavy dropping of knowledge to do, hippie
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 13, 2009 9:18:54 GMT -5
that's up to you, miss ref. at this point i feel like i'm the only person thinking of possibly changing my vote, but i could be wrong.
the only thing that stumps me is that the real inspector hasn't come forward if jen is not it. i really don't believe eap to be inspector based on that comment. if she'd wanted us to know she was, i think she would have given us a better hint than to just refer specifically to the last round.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 13, 2009 9:21:31 GMT -5
^^Remember, EAP was only alive for one short round. She didn't have much time to drop much of anything, really. I'll have to go back and read her posts and see if there's anything else, admittedly I don't remember there being much. But the only time I can really remember in the past of an inspector dropping a major hint in the first round was steveternal's domination in the all-star game with his "besides, he's mafia" comment.
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 13, 2009 9:52:58 GMT -5
i understand that you're going for self-preservation here, but i just went back and read most of the posts and i just don't get that vibe from eap...not in the slightest. yes of course there is always the POSSIBILITY she was, but then again, there's always the POSSIBILITY you're mafia. so, therein lies the rub.
after reading through the previous few pages of posts, i'm actually a little more confused i think. if jen IS mafia, then i would say higgi is as well. i KNOW i'm innocent, and it would have been smart to claim inspector, kill her to make her look innocent, and imply that one of the people campaigning so hard against me for no real reason is innocent as well so that it leads us off the trail. also, if this theory is correct, i'd say mafia are jen, higgi, and bek or wolf.
on the other hand, WHERE IS THE REAL INSPECTOR??
i think for right now i'll null my vote. maybe it will get people to actually read back on some of the older posts and reconsider another possibility.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 13, 2009 10:36:44 GMT -5
Yeah I went back and read that as well Hippie, and I've gotta admit it was a stretch on my part. But when you find yourself with a unanimous consent vote against ya it's really all you have, right? Just like you, I would have figured the real inspector would have come out clean by now, so I have to think that they're dead or something to prevent them from doing so. But that just leaves EAP, Nathen, and HGH. I really can't imagine HGH was the inspector cause that would be coincidental and she never really voted for anyone suspicious. Majority of her voting was done to save her skin it seems. So... Nathen? I don't get anything from him either. I'm at a loss for who the real inspector is. I know I've said I hate when the inspector comes out publicly with their role, but right now I think they might be my favorite person ever if they did so!
I can't say 100% or not that Higgi is guilty with Jen and Rooconteur, but if you look he was the first person I voted against after the false claims against me. I wouldn't put it past me, but it just seems a bit strange. Especially when you consider how Roocon randomly switched his vote from you to Higgi to all but guarantee his death. That would be weird, and I'm not sure how I would rationalize that maneuver.
and on a side note, if Higgi IS a mafia I'm going to be so pissed at myself for siding with him an entire round.
Me too! I know Rooconteur has logged in since I asked him my question. I can't say I know for sure that he looked at this thread, but it would make sense that he would. It just annoys me. I ask Jen a question and she just says "oh it was random!" and then says she doesn't need to respond to me cause I'm mafia. Then I ask Rooconteur a question and he just doesn't even reply. Those two seem to have an awful lot of confidence in each other, that's all I'm sayin!
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 13, 2009 10:48:00 GMT -5
strum, i guess i just need you to reassure me in some way that you are truly not mafia. as a townie, i am completely confused right now, and obviously none of my fellow members are around, or are not posting, and thus, i'm feeling a little lost in all this.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 13, 2009 10:59:38 GMT -5
I dunno how I can reassure you without just repeating what I've already said. Here are my highlights.
1) Day 1 I voted rooconteur and stuck with it, which seems to have gained attention from the Mafia, hence why I'm included in their attack. Sound familiar to you at all?
2) Day 1 runoff I voted Higgi the entire time, who you've been suspicious of all along. I know the following day I appeared to side with him against you, but I was mostly casting that vote because of how defensive you were against Higgi's claim. It was all there was to go on at the time. Notice how as soon as something substantial came up I immediately bailed on that theory though.
3) When Rooconteur was making suggestions he was Inspector, even though I thought his reasoning of HGH was highly suspicious I refused to cast a vote for him just in case he actually was Inspector and couldn't come up with a legitimate excuse to get his vote out there. I specifically said "Voting for Roocon could be a fatal error for the townspeople" Maybe not word for word, but paraphrased. Either way, I was clearly wrong with that but at the time I was really convinced he was the inspector.
4) I'm a very pathetic individual if I continue to waste my time defending myself when you're the only person reading it
If you've got any questions regarding my status in this game, ask away.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 13, 2009 11:07:29 GMT -5
Oh, and...
5) I've been very vocal and prevalent throughout the entire game. That's an uncommon and rather poor strategy to take as mafia I'd think. If I ever made one slip it would bite me in my ass I think. Most every time people are mafia they're relatively quiet. Or atleast more so than normal. I think you can recall my previous games and see that I've been just as attentive and loudmouthed in this game as any other
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 13, 2009 11:09:09 GMT -5
ok, so...where do we go from here? you seem to think roo is guilty, right? and i still think higgi is suspicious. how do meet in the middle?
and btw...before the rest of you go assuming strum and i are working together, let me just say that we're NOT. i'm not CONVINCED he's innocent. but the rest of you have been quiet as hell, so i'm going on the only info i have.
ok, so...where do we go from here? you seem to think roo is guilty, right? and i still think higgi is suspicious. how do meet in the middle?
Higgi was my first suspicion immediately after Jen came out as the alleged Inspector. I wouldn't be completely opposed to voting with you against him this round, but I'm tellin ya there's no denying the collaboration between Jen and Roocon right now. I'd feel more comfortable having multiple votes against him this round than I would Higgi.
Either way, my future is not looking good. You're right, everyone else is just sitting back watching this unfold happy with the outcome. I can't speak for everyone, but two of those people are sitting back laughing at how easy this game is right now I think. Rooconteur is one of them
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 13, 2009 11:28:45 GMT -5
i do think roo's "theory" on who is who is pretty crazy considering how spot-on it was. granted, you were able to pick out mafia in the all-star game pretty easily, too, so...
i dunno...it's either roo or higgi. i'm going to lunch and then i'll decide.
Post by rooconteur on Aug 13, 2009 11:47:52 GMT -5
ok im at work and dont really have time to thoroughly defend all of strum's accusations at this point.
i will say, considering hippie was on the gallows ( i was literally writing her death story for kel when jenkzoo came out) so kel left voting open. why would a mafia comprised of me and jenkazoo (and higgi? you say) draw all this attention to ourselves as yet another townsperson died. we could have let hippie die. it would have been 4 dead townspeople and zero dead mafia in this scenario (using your assumptions). why would we fuck that up with some elaborate scheme. strum is the one who is in a desperate spot, so all of his conspiracy theories should be the ones that are suspicous.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 13, 2009 12:05:16 GMT -5
^^Well considering so far everyone except for me and a still skeptical hippie have followed Jen's allegations to a t, I don't think it has really brought much attention to yourselves at all. It seems to have worked out quite well, actually, hasn't it? And as far as the reason behind doing it, wasn't it rather conveniently timed with when people started to get skeptical of you and you were only one switch of a vote away from being voted of?
I'm pretty sure everyone has been suspicious of my defense so far given the vote tally, but thanks for reminding everyone of the situation!
