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I am sticking with my guns, I vote Hippie.. and I believe that her and HGH are working together after some quick analyzation. They both voted each other and then very quickly and easily voted together.
higgi, you are trying much too hard to try and take my comments out of context. how are they contradictory? the first one says i don't want to be the deciding vote, so i sent it into a runoff.
my vote goes to higgi
hippie > HGH > higgi
LASTLY... Roo, I know what you're insinuating, but I am not sure I believe your subtle hints. And for that, I do believe that you may be working with these two.
I'm inclined to agree, Higgi. Note back to my post a while ago at the top of page 7. All of my theories of who's suspicious so far have been revolving around Hippie being mafia. First was Wolf's reluctance to publicly side with Hippie, yet he wanted to support her argument as sound, meanwhile he hasn't even cast a true vote yet so he's obviously waiting to be the last to do so.
Now we have Rooconteur, who was on my radar before he changed his vote from Higgi to HGH and has in turn left me befuddled. It was a bit strange how when Hippie was looking to be offed that he suddenly switched his vote to Higgi to save her, but then once Hippie was looking to be in the clear and Higgi was about to be offed he has switched again to try and rally against HGH. I can see where she could look guilty, with EAP being offed in the first night while she was the only one to vote for her... but I could've told you she'd vote for HGH before the game even started. It would be a coincidence, but those aren't too uncommon in this game. I could definitely buy the HGH - Hippie collaboration at this point though.
I just can't overlook how all of my suspicions revolve around Hippie in the center. If I'm wrong and Hippie is innocent then I am left way back at square one, and the mafia would have a huge advantage over us unless we were lucky and Nathen was in fact guilty... which I can't be sure either way at this point cause it was just the 1st round
Post by awolfatthedoor on Aug 11, 2009 14:53:45 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just overlooking small things. But it would seem to me to be incredibly, incredibly dumb to say that runoff=mafia win, then vote the round into a runoff. And I realize that I am looking suspicious, but I am trying not to jump to conclusions because if this round is a failure the a mafia win is most likely all but ensured.
I will just keep it open until midnight ( eastern time) unless people are still talking!
Thanks! I will most likely be too busy playing with our new puppy tonight to be on Inforoo for an extended period after work today but I'll make sure to log in before then and at least cast my final vote and read what everyone has said. I might keep it up in the background.
Yay for the new puppy. I think we might name him Gonzo! He is a chocolate & tan dappled minature daschund .
Maybe I'm just overlooking small things. But it would seem to me to be incredibly, incredibly dumb to say that runoff=mafia win, then vote the round into a runoff. And I realize that I am looking suspicious, but I am trying not to jump to conclusions because if this round is a failure the a mafia win is most likely all but ensured.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you referring to when Hippie said this and possibly saying you think she might be mafia?
Really, I just don't get why it makes you look suspicious. I am dense today...could you explain a little more?
Post by awolfatthedoor on Aug 11, 2009 15:14:39 GMT -5
Here is where I'm questioning the HGH implied accusation. HGH voted with Roo in the first round for Nathen. I realize this means nothing except for at this point Roo has no reason to be suspicious of HGH. Page 4 goes by without anything meaningful happening. Then on page 5 after two votes for hippie, which are completely logical, roo votes for HGH without reasoning. Then hippie votes for HGH, which would appear to be out of self-preservation. Then jen votes for HGH without reasoning.
This is when the conversation higgi posted and is suspicious happened. To me, and I may be missing something, this convo seems little more than a direct conversation because they are the two accused and their votes could be used to bring a thirty party into the light and in doing so save their lives and kill a mafia. That would seem to be the purpose of the conversation.
I would love to hear some actual logic on why HGH is guilty.
And this is probably going to make me look suspicious like jen's posts last game, but I am really just thinking out loud here.
Maybe I'm just overlooking small things. But it would seem to me to be incredibly, incredibly dumb to say that runoff=mafia win, then vote the round into a runoff. And I realize that I am looking suspicious, but I am trying not to jump to conclusions because if this round is a failure the a mafia win is most likely all but ensured.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you referring to when Hippie said this and possibly saying you think she might be mafia?
Really, I just don't get why it makes you look suspicious. I am dense today...could you explain a little more?
Well strumn said I was obviously waiting to cast the deciding vote. That was what I was referring to. Sorry that wasn't clearer.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Aug 11, 2009 15:25:47 GMT -5
Why do you think HGH is guilty? And what do you think Roo is implying? If you are wrong about Roo's insinuations then at least we have your theory and what Roo's theory.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 11, 2009 15:28:43 GMT -5
I really just want to hear this theory of Rooconteur. Once that comes to life, I think a lot of this will make a lot more sense.
It's just strange to say you have a theory about someone and then just drop some hints and suggestions and proceed to to say he'd prefer if everyone just follow in his actions... without ever actually saying anything.
I mean, give us something Roocon. Is your theory based on voting patterns or is it along the lines of Higgi's rationalization or something even more in depth? Just saying "I have a theory and HGH is mafia, everyone should do what I do and vote for her" is just assuming the townspeople are just puppets and will listen to whatever. It kind of reminds me of Bacon's maneuver last game... which worked miraculously enough
My thoughts on HGH didn't collect until I saw the little soiree between her and Hippie. So that is a relatively new theory. I do, however, believe Hippie is mafia, which is a huge part of the reason I suspect HGH. (see my long Kdogg-style post)
Concerning Roo, I am going to wait until he speaks up before I go any further on him.
I am sticking with my guns, I vote Hippie.. and I believe that her and HGH are working together after some quick analyzation. They both voted each other and then very quickly and easily voted together.
HGH...I null my vote if you do. Let's figure out a better target
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No explanation for this.. unless it was a mafia discussion through PM's.
actually mr mafia man, there is a perfectly sensible explanation for it. we were both tied in the votes and i knew i was innocent. so, i told her i'd null my vote for her if she did the same in order to save myself. sorry you didn't pick up on that.
higgi, you are trying much too hard to try and take my comments out of context. how are they contradictory? the first one says i don't want to be the deciding vote, so i sent it into a runoff.
my vote goes to higgi
hippie > HGH > higgi
once again you are trying wayyyyyy too hard. i wouldn't think you were guilty if it weren't for the fact that you ARE in fact trying to friggin hard to make me look guilty on so little.
LASTLY... Roo, I know what you're insinuating, but I am not sure I believe your subtle hints. And for that, I do believe that you may be working with these two.
Mafia 22 Townsperson Rooconteur vs. Townsperson Jenkazoo Mafia victory
Mafia 21 Mafia Trillbill vs. Townsperson Bacon Townspeople victory
Mafia 20 Townsperson kdogg vs. Mafia Jenkazoo Mafia victory
Mafia 19 Inspector kdogg vs. Mafia Ian Mafia victory
Mafia 18 Mafia ChiefPemperton vs. Townsperson Lawngnome Townspeople victory
I'd like to point out that every time I wind up in a Day One run-off, the Mafia winds up winning... just want y'all keep that in mind for future reference
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 11, 2009 15:59:49 GMT -5
let me say this one more time everyone, as i'll be away from a computer until tomorrow sometime...
A) I AM INNOCENT. i would swear it on anything you asked me too, and i would bet my hawaii trip on it.
B) please do not let higgi dupe the rest of you into voting for someone(me or anyone else) because of something so RIDICULOUS. he has already proven how sneaky he can be...just ask eap. STOP FOLLOWING HIM LIKE SHEEP...HE IS MAFIA
C) right now my suspicions lie with higgi(obviously), and with strum. strum has been very willing to go along with everything higgi has said. so, either he's going to be a townie easily persuaded by a mafia member, or he's mafia himself. but, i am neither mafia NOR inspector...i'll just put it out there right now. i'm just putting in my two cents on who i think could be guilty.
now, i'm having my 4th tittie-tail of the day in preparation for the lot at Phish, and then enjoying myself to the fullest. vote for me if you feel like losing, otherwise let's take out someone who has proved his sneakiness in the past.
have a good night, y'all! hope i get to join you later
Post by rooconteur on Aug 11, 2009 16:08:21 GMT -5
my theory is coming.....i was at work and did not have time to fully read through everytjhiong (on my phone)....enjoying some corn and reading through the thread....get back to you soon.
actually, i'd say you're trying A LOT HARDER to make ME look guilty than I am you... I'm trying to win this game for the townspeople, with sound theories and evidence to back my arguments... All your doing is putting the guilt on me, for simply voting you.
It seems to me that the only thing you've done here is accuse me, for accusing you, and tried to persuade everyone into my guilt because I have been sneaky in the past.. I think that my posts have spoke for themselves, I haven't claimed anything, and I've only lent my suggestions as to who looks the guiltiest to me.. Which is clearly you.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 11, 2009 16:12:34 GMT -5
^^Hippie the only reason I have "gone with Higgi" every step of the way (Except for, oh, I dunno... voting for him the entirety of the runoff) is because I also think you're guilty. When someone else thinks the same person as I do is mafia I'm more inclined to believe him. You keep talking how Higgi is taking all these far fetched and drastic measures to convince everyone that you're mafia... but aren't you doing the exact same thing to him?
I mean, all Higgi has done is vote for you and called you out on what very well may have been a misspoken moment on your behalf. You've taken this vote to the extremes of not even considering the notion that he isn't a mafia and have been beyond persistent the entire game to try and get him voted off. The only time you've voted for anyone else was in an attempt to save your own skin.
Think whoever you want is mafia, but don't try and get everyone else against me too just because this round I have 3 different suspicions and they all coincidentally involve you being mafia. Go ahead and look, I voted against Higgi the entirety of the Day 1 runoff, and that was a very tight 6-5 vote
So riddle me this, Hippie. If you're so sure that Higgi is mafia, give me one reason other than the fact that he's voting for you and previous game history as to why I should believe you. As far as I'm concerned, neither of those two platforms are enough to be so convinced that one person is mafia. I want to hear new reasons. I'd consider switching my vote for him if you provide any reason whatsoever other than he's centered on one argument against you and is using it to its fullest against you. Cause as far as I'm concerned, you're doing the same to him... so does that make both of you mafia?
Post by awolfatthedoor on Aug 11, 2009 16:30:22 GMT -5
I wasn't saying I was voting you necessarily. I was just saying the big, bolded letters and the caps sounded desperate. But I guess I really should keep my thoughts to myself.
Post by rooconteur on Aug 11, 2009 16:38:08 GMT -5
i'm corned out and have a lot to say. this may get kdogg-esque.
#1: Higgi and Hippie are both innocent. Higgi jumped on Hippie pretty early in the game. I was a little suspicious of hippie at that point, too because she seemed defensive. but it seems she has been stressed in general maybe due to her pending crosscoutry trip, or kdogg annoying her as an oustider. either way, i feel herdefensiveness was not necessarily due to guilt. also, somebody who lost (left without?) their rothbury ticket, would not test karma over a mafia by putting up their phish ticket for the following night. it hippie's mafia, she has balls of steel and deserves to win.
#2 the result of this dispute has allowed the mafia to sit back and let the townspeople beat eachother up. i think our loudest players this game are innocent: hippie, higgie, jenkazoo, nathen, myself.
#3 i am not the inspector, but it was really tempting to pretend to be it for a round at least after higgi suggested it. i believe i know who the real inspector is and that person is alive.
It sucks that my off day, when I could actually post, is spent waiting on the mafia]
i already explained how i thought the quieter players were suspicious. whereas all the posts that day were along the lines of "kill somebody already" hgh's specifically stating waiting on MAFIA, and directly defends her lack of posting. a little over-defensive i think. and the fact that she said MAFIA, like we were waiting for the mafia not the inspector. how would she know that? if she was inspector, she would not be so dumb to put it that way. to me it looks like somebody knew mafia had pm'ed the ref, and that we were in fact waiting for the inspector, but wanted to make it look like she did not. this could just be conspiracy theory by me, im not saying 100% shes guilty, but my gut reaction when i read it the first time was that it was not truthful.
edit:^ i was sure this would be a lot longe. how do you do it kdogg? i should triple space like a 7th grade history paper.
Post by strumntheguitar on Aug 11, 2009 16:55:26 GMT -5
^^Ok Roocon, let's be hypothetical for a minute. Say Hippie and Higgi are both innocent. Can you explain why you tried so hard to save Hippie earlier on? If you're not the inspector and are a regular townsperson, how can you possibly be so sure of her innocence to bring yourself to the forefront of attention by switching your vote to Higgi earlier in the round? And furthermore, why is it that once Hippie seemed to be in the clear with Higgi's fate all but sealed, you switched your vote and tried to persuade us to all vote HGH? Which brings me to my next question...
Is your long winded theory really only based on the fact that HGH said she was waiting on the mafia to kill someone so she could participate in the game on her day off work? I don't know about you, but I often feel the inspector's job inbetween voting rounds goes overlooked by the crowd. As you stated, all the posts during that time were "kill someone already." Why did it jump out at you as suspicious just because she said the word Mafia? I mean, it's not like the inspector is killing anyone... As far as I'm concerned, saying kill someone already and saying mafia are one in the same. In my opinion, that's an even lesser argument than anything Hippie or Higgi have against each other. There's gotta be more to your theory than that if you expect people to rally behind you?
edit:^ i was sure this would be a lot longe. how do you do it kdogg? i should triple space like a 7th grade history paper.
Play enough games and consume enough corn, and it should come naturally... some experience cranking out college papers on all-nighters helps, too. I also recommend sitting a game out on the sidelines knowing who's who -or taking a turn as Ref, which several of us have done - can be very educational.
I'm sure those of us who have reffed a game will probably agree it makes you a better player overall.
Post by rooconteur on Aug 11, 2009 17:07:16 GMT -5
^fair points. withi hippie, the minute she put those phish tickets up as collateral, she was good in my book. higgi i was less sure of at first and if it came down to those 2 hippie i was much more comfortable saving. i was at work and cant always keep up as well as i did today on my phone, and wanted to at least save the person i was most sure was innocent. i started leaning towards higgi's innocence and decided its best to go with my gut which is hgh. i wish i had more evidence against hgh. also my inspector theory backs this theory up but i dont think it is wise to play that card until completely necessary. so, i dont expect you to follow you me on hgh. admittedly more gut than anything. but i think we should look towards her, perhaps suspicously quiet superbek and possibly wolf.
i am feeling good about strum's innocence by the way he replied to my theory
