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This is pretty persuasive. And it turns out that you did exactly this on page 4, when you changed your vote to strum without any explanation.
So using bacon's reasoning:
ntrt >>> bacon
Yes, but there was a reason I did this. I was pretty sure at that point either HGH or Jen were guilty so I wanted a run-off between them. The only way to get that was vote Strum. You will notice a few pages down from when I changed to Strum Jen did the same and I changed my vote to HGH. Again I wanted a Jen and HGH run-off and changing to HGH was the way to get it.
I still think Bacon voting Strum in Day One - when he knew Strum already had a reciprocal vote coming to him from Jen - looks suspicious. It kind of makes him appear to be in cahoots with Jen.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Sept 3, 2009 12:19:11 GMT -5
Bacon, your initial vote in the runoff was with HGH, who you said you thought was guilty. I don't see the point in trying to get a guilty person into a runoff when you can help get them voted off instead.
If you thought HGH was guilty, why not just leave your vote with her instead of potentially putting strum, who you thought was innocent, into a runoff with her or jen? If you thought Jen and HGH were guilty, then why would you vote for strum at all? Why not just vote for one of the people you actually suspect? I don't see how the runoff helps in that situation -- if I thought someone was guilty, I would want them voted off, not in a runoff where they might survive.
Yes, but there was a reason I did this. I was pretty sure at that point either HGH or Jen were guilty so I wanted a run-off between them. The only way to get that was vote Strum. You will notice a few pages down from when I changed to Strum Jen did the same and I changed my vote to HGH. Again I wanted a Jen and HGH run-off and changing to HGH was the way to get it.
I still think Bacon voting Strum in Day One - when he knew Strum already had a reciprocal vote coming to him from Jen - looks suspicious. It kind of makes him appear to be in cahoots with Jen.
If you look at voting patterns I would also say it is a fair assumption that Jen actually was mafia.
If Jen was Mafia, as Bacon says, then I think Bacon is in cahoots with her and is now trying to distract us from that fact.
kdogg >>> Bacon
Um... whos vote was it that doomed Jen? It was MINE! At this point I had already formulated my theory that Jen and EAP were guilty and EAP was the only person left to vote, other than the two people in the run-off. I did not want to give a mafia member the deciding vote.
Bacon, your initial vote in the runoff was with HGH, who you said you thought was guilty. I don't see the point in trying to get a guilty person into a runoff when you can help get them voted off instead.
If you thought HGH was guilty, why not just leave your vote with her instead of potentially putting strum, who you thought was innocent, into a runoff with her or jen? If you thought Jen and HGH were guilty, then why would you vote for strum at all? Why not just vote for one of the people you actually suspect? I don't see how the runoff helps in that situation -- if I thought someone was guilty, I would want them voted off, not in a runoff where they might survive.
Like I said I was fairly sure EITHER HGH or Jen were guilty. I had decided that HGH was guilty yet. In fact at the end I chose Jen as guilty, not HGH. The reason I voted Strum was I wanted Jen and HGH in the runoff because I wasn't sure which of them was guilty. The only was to do that was to vote Strum. As I stated before when I had to vote HGH to get her in the runoff with Jen I did.
Edit: You people need to stop making me defend myself I have more post than Kdogg in this thread
Post by nitetimeritetime on Sept 3, 2009 12:33:16 GMT -5
Hmmm...that makes some sense, bacon. For my theory to work out, the mafia have to be bacon, jen, and hgh, but since you ended up voting hgh instead of strum into the runoff, that theory doesn't really hold up.
I'm going to have to go back and look at some things. For now, I'm nulling my vote.
Um... whos vote was it that doomed Jen? It was MINE! At this point I had already formulated my theory that Jen and EAP were guilty and EAP was the only person left to vote, other than the two people in the run-off. I did not want to give a mafia member the deciding vote.
I will concede this voting against Jen runs contrary to the earlier behavior which made me think you were in cahoots.
But can you explain to me how Jen died by a 7-4 vote and your sole vote was responsible? That vote switch kind of looks to me like you were jumping off a sinking ship, to be honest.
I'm going to null my vote for the time being, too... Not because of anything Bacon said, but because I want to see what Wolf (the player I think is most likely to be innocent) thinks about all this.
It was 4-4 and My vote was initially for HGH according to Roo's run-off rule. The only people left were EAP, Jen HGH. I assumed that HGH and Jen would vote for each other, meaning that EAP had the deciding vote. I switched my vote to Jen which made it 5-2, which meant EAP's vote didn't matter. Obviously someone else could have change their vote but I effectively doomed Jen. The voting was actually 7-3 in the end because Jen never voted. EAP voted Jen because it became obvious Jen was going to die no matter what and she didn't want to out her self by supporting a member of the mafia.
It was 4-4 and My vote was initially for HGH according to Roo's run-off rule. The only people left were EAP, Jen HGH. I assumed that HGH and Jen would vote for each other, meaning that EAP had the deciding vote. I switched my vote to Jen which made it 5-2, which meant EAP's vote didn't matter. Obviously someone else could have change their vote but I effectively doomed Jen. The voting was actually 7-3 in the end because Jen never voted. EAP voted Jen because it became obvious Jen was going to die no matter what and she didn't want to out her self by supporting a member of the mafia.
This is the train of thought I was having.. EAP didn't have a choice, but to vote Jen and she was the last vote and to stay away from her fellow Mafia, then she had to vote for Jen. I don't get why EAP voted HGH in the intial run off, then in the main one changed her vote. I am going to let her explain her side, before I vote!
It was 4-4 and My vote was initially for HGH according to Roo's run-off rule. The only people left were EAP, Jen HGH. I assumed that HGH and Jen would vote for each other, meaning that EAP had the deciding vote. I switched my vote to Jen which made it 5-2, which meant EAP's vote didn't matter. Obviously someone else could have change their vote but I effectively doomed Jen. The voting was actually 7-3 in the end because Jen never voted. EAP voted Jen because it became obvious Jen was going to die no matter what and she didn't want to out her self by supporting a member of the mafia.
This is the train of thought I was having.. EAP didn't have a choice, but to vote Jen and she was the last vote and to stay away from her fellow Mafia, then she had to vote for Jen.
I null my vote, too.
Yep that's what I thought too. It really is the most common and I would say smartest thing to do in that situation.
Strum >>>HGH Baconus66>>>Strum>>>HGH>>>Strum>>>HGH>>>Jen HGH >>>Strum>>null EAP>>>>>HGH>>>Strum>>null>Jen Wolf>>>jen kdogg >>> Jen Nate>>>Kel>HGH Higgi>>>Kel>>>Jen Jen >>> Strum>>>HGH>>>Strum>>>null Nitetime >>> HGH Kelaroo >>>jen
Left to Vote Jen HGH
Here is the tally we are all talking about.. She voted all three people in the run-off, which I do find strange. But, so did Bacon.
True but I have already explained that. Originally I voted Strum 100% randomly. I literally decided to vote for him before the game even started. After that I formulated the theory that either Jen or HGH had to be mafia. I wasn't sure which so I did whatever possible to get them both in the run-off which included voting Strum for a while. Once we got to the 2-way runoff I had put everything together and formulated the theory I am now arguing and voted Jen because I think she was mafia and did want EAP to have the deciding vote because I think she is mafia.
Originally I voted Strum 100% randomly. I literally decided to vote for him before the game even started. After that I formulated the theory that either Jen or HGH had to be mafia.
Is this theory based on Strum's Day One votes, or something else?
Bacon, your initial vote in the runoff was with HGH, who you said you thought was guilty. I don't see the point in trying to get a guilty person into a runoff when you can help get them voted off instead.
If you thought HGH was guilty, why not just leave your vote with her instead of potentially putting strum, who you thought was innocent, into a runoff with her or jen? If you thought Jen and HGH were guilty, then why would you vote for strum at all? Why not just vote for one of the people you actually suspect? I don't see how the runoff helps in that situation -- if I thought someone was guilty, I would want them voted off, not in a runoff where they might survive.
Bacon, you never answered this!! I would love to hear this reason!
Originally I voted Strum 100% randomly. I literally decided to vote for him before the game even started. After that I formulated the theory that either Jen or HGH had to be mafia.
Is this theory based on Strum's Day One votes, or something else?
Honestly this theory that HGH or Jen were mafia was a fairly shaky one especially at first. Ever since EAP switched to Strum I had my eye or her but could not figure how that fit into the rest of the puzzle so ignored it for a while. I put together that some one in the 3 way runoff had to be mafia from the way the votes were stacking up and not stacking up. Strums vote had a little sway the people voting for Strum had more sway in making me think Strum was innocent, which I think we can assume is true now. By the time we got to the two-way I had put Jen and EAP together. Strums death only concreted this in my mind.
Bacon, your initial vote in the runoff was with HGH, who you said you thought was guilty. I don't see the point in trying to get a guilty person into a runoff when you can help get them voted off instead.
If you thought HGH was guilty, why not just leave your vote with her instead of potentially putting strum, who you thought was innocent, into a runoff with her or jen? If you thought Jen and HGH were guilty, then why would you vote for strum at all? Why not just vote for one of the people you actually suspect? I don't see how the runoff helps in that situation -- if I thought someone was guilty, I would want them voted off, not in a runoff where they might survive.
Bacon, you never answered this!! I would love to hear this reason!
I did answer this in my first post of page 6 after responding to kdogg with this:
Like I said I was fairly sure EITHER HGH or Jen were guilty. I had decided that HGH was guilty yet. In fact at the end I chose Jen as guilty, not HGH. The reason I voted Strum was I wanted Jen and HGH in the runoff because I wasn't sure which of them was guilty. The only was to do that was to vote Strum. As I stated before when I had to vote HGH to get her in the runoff with Jen I did.
Hmmm...that makes some sense, bacon. For my theory to work out, the mafia have to be bacon, jen, and hgh, but since you ended up voting hgh instead of strum into the runoff, that theory doesn't really hold up.
I'm going to have to go back and look at some things. For now, I'm nulling my vote.
first of all bacon, i don't know why you're so stuck on me. this obviously makes me very very suspicious.
second of all, to me, your logic makes no sense. i originally voted for HGH. i always do this first round. the one time i didn't, i got reemed for it. i kept my vote with HGH for the first couple of runoffs bc i just didn't see a point in changing it. I changed to Strum b/c he appeared suspicious. then he wasn't a choice to vote for anymore, so i voted jen b/c she seemed more likely of being mafia then HGH at that point. personally, i still kind of felt it was too early to tell one way or the other with people. i mean it was the first gd round after all. if i was soooo mafia, why would i change my vote to not draw attention to myself, when in actuality, that's all it did!
bacon is pulling stuff out his bumhole, and i hope you guys can see it. i honestly am saying at this point i still don't really know who is mafia. but bacon is on a tangent and i'm not exactly sure what damning evidence he really has against me.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Sept 3, 2009 15:05:34 GMT -5
Kdogg you asked me to speak a while ago. Don't look to me for answers this game. I'm still taking it all in trying to get something good before I eventually post a rambler.
I'm not necessarily looking to you for answers, Wolf. I just think that since Strum got whacked last night, you're the least likely to be Mafia. I'm not saying I'd rely on you for the be-all-end-all correct answer, just one that would be coming from a trustworthy source.
EAP I think I would have probably came to the same conclusion even if you would have not changed your vote to Strum. That was only the first thing that made me start suspecting you and Jen. I would agree that normally the first in the first round you can't figure too much info, but I think everyone will agree that was no normal first round. There were 4 run-offs. That should count as at least 2-3 normal rounds. Seeing the progression of votes is very helpful.
EAP I think I would have probably came to the same conclusion even if you would have not changed your vote to Strum. That was only the first thing that made me start suspecting you and Jen. I would agree that normally the first in the first round you can't figure too much info, but I think everyone will agree that was no normal first round. There were 4 run-offs. That should count as at least 2-3 normal rounds. Seeing the progression of votes is very helpful.
what conclusion is that??? because i changed my vote i'm mafia?? well in that case you are mafia with me.
like i said before, if i wanted to avoid suspicion, i would have stayed with HGH. then this wouldn't even be an issue. i could have just kept my vote with HGH instead of changing to strum (see pg 3) which would have sealed the deal on her fate of death (AND been less obvious than changing around). if i was mafia, i wouldn't have changed to strum, which lead to a jen/HGH runoff.
if i'm mafia bacon, and so is jen, who's our third??
sorry, but i think you're still pulling this out of your bumhole.
The conclusion is that you are mafia and I am saying that I would have come to the same conclusion even if you hadn't changed your vote. And when you did change your vote it appeared that HGH was still going to be voted off. You want to know who your third is. It is Nate. I recommend everyone look at each of the vote tallys, Nate is the only one who fits. HGH I agree with your vote for Nate now but would you please vote for EAP this round and we will vote Nate next round.
you are so full of it!!!! how the hell can you be so sure that i'm mafia in the second round?????? that is ridiculous! you must be some kind of crazy genius, because i highly doubt any other player right now would stand up and say these three are mafia this early in the game. when i changed my vote it was 5 votes for HGH (one of these being my own, which stayed through b/c of the rule) and 4 votes for jen. so in REALITY my vote KEPT HGH from dying. then nathen came on and voted for HGH, which would have saved her (HGH 3, Strum 4, Jen 4). then YOU were the one that changed your vote to HGH keeping jen and strum out of a runoff. this to me points out your guilt more than mine!
the only thing i am certain of at this point is that i am NOT mafia. i think we all know that i would not be in mafia cahoots or anything else that made me talk with nathen EVER.
you still have not given a valid reason other than the fact that i changed my vote WHICH YOU DID TOO (even more times than me!!!).
Last Edit: Sept 3, 2009 17:11:36 GMT -5 by EAP - Back to Top
You want to know who your third is. It is Nate. I recommend everyone look at each of the vote tallys, Nate is the only one who fits.
I'm not following you on this point. Can you explain?
Yes I can thanks for asking. In fact in writing this post I realized it is not 100% Nate its between you (NTRT) and Nate. Right now my money is on Nate. This is done with the stipulation EAP and Jen are mafia. I am listing each person I think is innocent and why I don't think a person is mafia.
Bacon(duh): voted for EAP and Jen----voted for by EAP HGH: voted for EAP and Jen -------voted for by EAP and Jen wolf: voted for Jen ---- voted for by Jen kdogg:voted for Jen----voted for by Jen kelaroo: voted for Jen Higgi: voted for Jen strumdaddy: killed by mafia----voted for Jen -----voted for by Jen and EAP
