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Post by strumntheguitar on Nov 4, 2009 11:15:04 GMT -5
^^^ I can say for certain that I an not mafia. Your claims of mafia trend are a bit different from what I've seen in this game. Generally mafia don't stack votes in the first round because it is too obvious. Every tine I've based suspicions off vote stacking in the first round I end up being wrong. In fact, I'd say that because of your attempts to single out 4 players in the first round I'd jump to say that probably none of then are guilty because your defense actually made me more comfortable with my vote. You spent a lot of time trying to justify a case of people voting for you because Sal or October did. You even twisted words around to make it seem as tho people are voting for you just because sal did. Mafia don't do that. They don't make it obvious and they don't vote alongside their partners of crime. They sure as he'll dint publicly exclaim they're voting alongside each other.
If you must know, I am mostly voting for you because Sal did. But your defenses and comments afterwards are what made me refrain from changing my vote to someone else. I may be wrong as I have before, but in this case I'm 100% comfortable with where my vote lies. I don't think it's mafia stacking votes, I think it's townspeople stacking votes against mafia. I hunk the most suspicion lies in those who have a vote for Sal right now.
Well I don't know what to say now. I still think Jack is probably innocent but I know I am innocent. I still think that there is a good chance Sal is mafia. I am not sure about Strum yet and Higgi just always looks guilty. I would think that it is a safe bet that at least one of the mafia voted for me or Sal.
NTRT >>> Bacon >>> null>>>>Bacon Bacon >>> Salamander Swamp Witch >>> Bacon Strum >>> Salamander >>> Jack Salamander >>> Jack Rooconteur >>> Jack Wolf >>> Jack Jack >>> Salamander HGH >>> Bacon Jen >>> Sal Higgi >>> Jack
Post by 811942891995 on Nov 4, 2009 12:57:51 GMT -5
well you certainly do kave a lot of conspiracy thoeries jack! obviously im not going to go thru line by line and adress everything you put out there but i'll will adress what i can in tha short time i hvae today!
*i only vote for anyone in tha 1st round simply 'cause i have to...and it makes as much sense to me to chose usin tha outcome ofa drinking game as it does to draw a number, or flip a coin, or guess, or just play blind hunches! its all random and meaningless at that point! ya....you raelly had'nt said anything yet and much less anything to make me suspcious of you! i had to pick a name....i used tha most ramdomly arbitrary method i could think of...and by luck and luck alone youre name was that name! it coul've just as easily have been swamp witch...or anyone else! sorry it turned out that way but thats tha extent of it! no hidden agenda...no evil plan...no poorly executed grand conspiracy! just dumb luck! *after that YOU most likly brought all the attention on yourself by making a seeminglly very strange move by turnin round and voting for the swamp witch! you had a perfectly reasonable and valid excuse to vote in retaliation of my vote but you went after her using the 'she has said so little, she must be hidin some thing' argument! wich is also very strange since you now say that that very same argument shouln't be used against you! so wich is it...you cant have it both ways brother! *and no! my girlfriend is'nt playing tha game....much like a coin that has been flipped is'nt playing tha game! i was just tellin yallz how i came to my vote! i did'nt know that mentioning her byname would make anyone think i had some master 1st round plan cookin! btw im not in 6th grade and october does'nt go to school in canada or anything...if ya get what i'm sayin! not only have i talkedf about her teh entire time ive been on this board (though she wasnt my gf back then) why would anyone ever need to make someone up to justify castin a vote they said is random? that seems like WAY to much schemin for no real payoff in my opinion. *and yes...most people are basing there 1st rounds votes on "nothing"! think aboout it brother! in the begining most players are townies and townies are flying blind in tha 1st round! *tho i do gotta admit strum's 'im 100% comfy with sal' struck me as wired to but i cant speak to that one other than to guess he reallly was telling tha truth when he said it was all a hunch...but ya gotta take that up with him cause i don't know! *so you spend your entire post wildly pointing fingers at 4 people seeming to claim some massive anti-jack conspiracy was a foot but then you end by saying that youre willing to bet that at least...or ONLY...2 of them mafia!so again....you cant have it both ways brother! wich 2 is it! pick an argument and stick with it if youre so sure!
regardless of why i originly voted for jack...when i read back over this very long days events...im honestly more comfortable with it now! its just too early to be playing the victim card so strongly! if you read thru jacks responses and arguments and if you look at tha way hes he's startin to look desperate and paniced, going down, grasping at straws, pointing at everyone...and trying more to incriminate others more than defend himself!...it starts looking kinda fishy if you ask me! when i was bout to go out at tha beginning of tha runoff, i did'nt act afool because i knew i was innocent and veen if i left it would'nt matter that much! there would still be plenty of townies around to take care of business after my demise! tha mafia folken don't have that same position so they really gotta make a ruckus! don't they!
wow! this was a WAY longer than i planned! sorry! ill just end it by saying definitively that yes...NOW I DO BELIEVE THAT JACK IS INDEED MAFIA!
seeya later!
Last Edit: Nov 4, 2009 13:44:12 GMT -5 by 811942891995 - Back to Top
I had a migraine last night and went to bed early. now i'm at work and can't really read all of this. I'll be able to give some input in a few hours when my nosy co-worker isn't standing behind me trying to read my screen.
I'd have to agree that Jack's argument and defensiveness seems a bit suspicious just because he is making a huge deal out of people's reasons for voting in the first round. Usually there is no point arguing why a person voted the way they did in round one since they are typically random. Everybody always has a dumb statement about why they voted (in this case Sal's statement about letting October choose). I don't think that is enough to accuse Sal. My vote for Sal in the run-off is random-ish, I suppose. I planned on voting for him in round one until HGH voted for me. Since HGH wasn't in the run-off I went to my next choice (which was originally my first choice). I can't really remember every detail of other games I have played with Jack but I think he does seem a lot more defensive than he has before. With that said, there's really no reason to null or change my vote to Jack right now because it wouldn't make a difference. Either way it looks like Jack's out unless there is some spectaular vote changing in the next few hours.
Also, I am really cranky right now and have a pregnancy migraine and can't take prescriptiondrugs Reading Jack's epic post didn't make my head feel any better....changing my vote for him right now might be personal since reading it was irritating. Sorry Jack, nothing personal really, I love ya but your rant made my head hurt but that is not your fault. Rant on! Hopefully my head will feel better soon, the crankyness will go away and I will enjoy reading Kdogg style posts.
In the immortal words of Scott Thompson, "Sounds like utter bullsh!t to me."
Seriously, though, your arguments are not illogical, but first round voting is not logical. Making that much of a case for four specific people really does seem suspicious to me. I get that you are trying to save yourself, but I'm pretty sure that was the most I've seen you say in any of the mafia games I've played with you.
And suggesting that I have something to hide because I didn't add that my vote was random or make up some dumbass explanation is basically laughable.
If you must know, I am mostly voting for you because Sal did.
Those two statements seem rather contradictory. I am not saying that people necessarily voted for me because Sal did, but I do think he did a good deal to try and convince them that I am mafia to sway the vote in his favor - and it worked, as your vote demonstrates.
Fuck it. I'm done defending myself. My fate is effectively sealed at this point, so I'm going to say this as plainly as possible, and since I now have nothing to lose, in the hopes that maybe the message will finally get through to the remaining innocent players:
I AM NOT MAFIA.
Every vote I have made thus far has been in good faith, but some inklings may have been wrong. I will readily admit that. I'm a townsperson and I don't know who's innocent or guilty, so it's been left up to guess work, deduction and intuition.
But, to those townspeople who are convinced that I am mafia, well, have fun being led along like the sheep that you are, only to discover I was telling the truth all along once it's too late.
SALAMANDER MUST DIE. He's the one person I'm very confident is mafia. Strum, Bacon and Roo are hunches more than anything else. Inspector, please ask about Salamander tonight.
There are now seven innocents and three mafia left after my execution. Presumably the mafia will be offing a townsperson tonight, which will bring it down to a 6:3 ratio for tomorrow. By that point it will be very difficult for a townsperson victory to take place, because for the townspeople to be victorious tomorrow, there will need to be at least 4 out of the 6 remaining townspeople who agree to vote for the same person, and that person has to actually be mafia. If you vote off another innocent in day 2, and the mafia again executes another townsperson on the second night, that makes it 4:3 which is an extraordinarily difficult margin to overcome. Good luck townspeople, I hope you make the right decision.
Well, I've said my piece. Townspeople, you've made a mistake. Mafia, I hope you are called out as the rats you are and that justice is served.
Post by strumntheguitar on Nov 4, 2009 16:51:04 GMT -5
^^^ my comments may be contradictory, but I'll explain that after the game ends...
As for your last paragraph... How many games of mafia have you played? It's rare the townies off a mafia member the first night. That doesn't mean we're in deep shyt and fighting an uphill battle rest of the way. You're using scare tactics to try and sway votes again. Dammit local elections are over and I'm tired of hearing what will happen if I vote one way or another. If nothing else, I'm keeping my vote for you because of your campaign strategy!
SALAMANDER MUST DIE. He's the one person I'm very confident is mafia. Strum, Bacon and Roo are hunches more than anything else. Inspector, please ask about Salamander tonight.
if youre so posative about me being mafia why not offer up some sort of argument....ANYTHING......while you still can that is! id be pretty intrested in hearing it! and i dont know about strum, bacon or roo but i do know about me....so yes mr/ms inspector PLEASE ask about me tonight!
and btw...by "a lot" i think swampy was trying to indicate that while she was referenicing your entire rambling post, it was way too much to reclutter tha page with....! just a guess but thats how i took it!
ill check back in later! peace!
Last Edit: Nov 4, 2009 17:08:47 GMT -5 by 811942891995 - Back to Top
NTRT >>> Bacon >>> null >>> Bacon Bacon >>> Salamander Swamp Witch >>> Bacon Strum >>> Salamander >>> Jack Salamander >>> Jack Rooconteur >>> Jack Wolf >>> Jack Jack >>> Salamander HGH >>> Bacon Jen >>> Sal Higgi >>> Jack
Voting remains open by my discretion. My doggy senses tell me someone still has something to say.
I figured I have more to catch up on than this. Kdogg I thought Sal was Creep too or possibly someone else who emerged in the near past....but Sal you seem to be behaving so who cares, right? Ok, so now that I know I have only missed talking about being out of the loop and no game play I'll finish what I am doing (baking pumpkin seeds & playing with my dogs while folding laundrey and catching up on my DVR....Man am I a multi-tasker). I'll check back in when I get to work.
Post by 811942891995 on Nov 5, 2009 14:07:39 GMT -5
evidently almost every one here thought or thinks im neighborhood creep!so for tha 100th time (pm and publicly) and just to reconfirm it for yall.... i am not and i was not ever creep!
Last Edit: Nov 5, 2009 14:08:32 GMT -5 by 811942891995 - Back to Top
Reading Jack's epic post didn't make my head feel any better....changing my vote for him right now might be personal since reading it was irritating. Sorry Jack, nothing personal really, I love ya but your rant made my head hurt but that is not your fault. Rant on! Hopefully my head will feel better soon, the crankyness will go away and I will enjoy reading Kdogg style posts.
