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Big kick back scandal news breaking now. UofL looks like they'll get quacked. Zona will likely get quacked. Auburn/USC coaches involved. Apparel companies involved, financial advisers, shell corps. Turns out getting Pell Grant money when you don't need it brings the full wrath of the Feds.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 26, 2017 23:43:32 GMT -5
They have to get the death penalty. They were doing this while already on probation. Open and shut. Supposedly there will be a press conference in the morning announcing Pitino's departure.
They have to get the death penalty. They were doing this while already on probation. Open and shut. Supposedly there will be a press conference in the morning announcing Pitino's departure.
Shit I'm glad we were honest about the way we get our top recruits
They have to get the death penalty. They were doing this while already on probation. Open and shut. Supposedly there will be a press conference in the morning announcing Pitino's departure.
Shit I'm glad we were honest about the way we get our top recruits didn't get caught
Post by bansheebeat on Sept 27, 2017 14:46:09 GMT -5
Louisville is getting a lot of attention right now, and I don't think it is totally fair. The probable preseason #1 had an assistant arrested and is facing like 60 years in prison. Basically any semi-big school affiliated with Nike or Adidas is almost certainly going to be implicated. This is going to be bigger than Tour de France doping / MLB steroids.
I am very sad for my program, but I hope this brings overdue and much needed change to college athletics as a whole.
And I loved and defended Pitino for a long time but I am glad we finally did it.
Louisville is getting a lot of attention right now, and I don't think it is totally fair. The probable preseason #1 had an assistant arrested and is facing like 60 years in prison. Basically any semi-big school affiliated with Nike or Adidas is almost certainly going to be implicated. This is going to be bigger than Tour de France doping / MLB steroids.
I am very sad for my program, but I hope this brings overdue and much needed change to college athletics as a whole.
And I loved and defended Pitino for a long time but I am glad we finally did it.
It's because of Pitino. Anyone that knows anything knows that guy is dirty. But Louisville stood behind him for so long because he wins. That's why they're an easy target and I don't feel bad for them at all.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 27, 2017 15:46:34 GMT -5
I'm a Kentucky fan, so it's easy for me to say, but I think sang makes a correct point that Louisville pretty much made their bed here. The president and board of the university gave Jurich so much power and have stood behind Pitino through Karen Sypher, strippers/prostitutes interacting with high school recruits, and now they're pretty much in a position where their basketball program may never be the same again. Jurich was at one point considered one of the top ADs in the country and the UL athletics program has been extremely successful in the key sports, but no one was holding him accountable, no one was holding Rick accountable, and Rick wasn't holding his assistants accountable, at minimum.
That's not even getting into how the university absolutely screwed over the city and state governments with the whole Yum! Center deal. That arena isn't paying off its bills as is. How's it going to do that without UL basketball games? An NBA team would certainly help, but the university got such a sweetheart deal that they ensured that couldn't happen. Perhaps it could now, but that is going to take time and they're probably at least second in line behind Seattle to get a team.
As far as the notion that many more schools will be found to have had similar things going on, maybe. I definitely think some more stuff is going to come out. Some of these guys they arrested could flip and the investigation could go on and on. On the other hand, I don't see the feds announcing this investigation and leaving too many bullets in the chamber. I think that we've already heard about the majority of what this is going to end up being about.
Post by bansheebeat on Sept 27, 2017 22:16:23 GMT -5
Maybe more schools? wtf? There are already people being arrested and schools firing people. How are you that dense?
I firmly believe we're watching the actual end of the NCAA. They never told the NCAA they were investigating and now the former NCAA assistant director of enforcement has resigned from 'Bama amid the investigation. They are absolutely complicit.
No way we've heard the majority, I can't actually believe you'd assume that.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 28, 2017 0:35:44 GMT -5
I'm just not convinced that the FBI would announce this investigation halfway through. You don't have to be insulting about it. It could very well threaten the NCAA. I don't know. I think that it will probably ramp up the discussion of amateurism and accelerate the downfall of the NCAA, which is ongoing.
I understand that as a Louisville fan it's natural for you to tell yourself that this is happening everywhere and your school is getting picked on, and it probably is going on a lot of other places too, but the federal government announced that it had evidence on a small number of programs. If this is also happening at Kansas and Kentucky and North Carolina, why would the feds withhold that information and go forward with this?
Edit: I'm listening to a CBS Sports podcast and Matt Norlander agreed with my thought that not a whole lot is coming after this. His reasoning is that these financial advisors are generally independent consultant types working directly with the programs that we already know about.
I'm just not convinced that the FBI would announce this investigation halfway through. You don't have to be insulting about it. It could very well threaten the NCAA. I don't know. I think that it will probably ramp up the discussion of amateurism and accelerate the downfall of the NCAA, which is ongoing.
I understand that as a Louisville fan it's natural for you to tell yourself that this is happening everywhere and your school is getting picked on, and it probably is going on a lot of other places too, but the federal government announced that it had evidence on a small number of programs. If this is also happening at Kansas and Kentucky and North Carolina, why would the feds withhold that information and go forward with this?
Edit: I'm listening to a CBS Sports podcast and Matt Norlander agreed with my thought that not a whole lot is coming after this. His reasoning is that these financial advisors are generally independent consultant types working directly with the programs that we already know about.
More is coming. I've heard swaths of coaching staffs aren't going to survive this. Luckily for me and actually @fortyfive33 now, our teams will go to the Final Four this year. Unluckily for him, it's because there will be like 9 teams competing, and unluckily for me, we'll go with like a 13-19 record.
I think if they get some of these runners, financial advisors, and quasi-agents who don't have legacies to maintain to flip then it's going to cascade. But I wouldn't expect the FBI to make a move with half the evidence. The initial reports (UL, OSU, USC(both), Auburn, Miami, Zona) were probably all the information they had, but if anyone of those guys arrested worked with other schools then there's something.
I think if they get some of these runners, financial advisors, and quasi-agents who don't have legacies to maintain to flip then it's going to cascade. But I wouldn't expect the FBI to make a move with half the evidence. The initial reports (UL, OSU, USC(both), Auburn, Miami, Zona) were probably all the information they had, but if anyone of those guys arrested worked with other schools then there's something.
I think they did this to get those guys talking. I think I saw Book Richardson at UA with a potential of 60 years in jail, and Chuck Person with 80? They'll plead it down by giving others up, or at least that's what the FBI is banking on. Plus with the raid of Nike/EYBL...I just don't know why people assume this is it. The whole thing was rampant in hoops. Except at Pitt, where we play by the rules and hire Kevin Stallings, *on purpose*.
I just hope that somehow all of this mess leads to Zion Williamson staying home and going to Clemson instead of Kentucky or Kansas.
I guess it might be regardless of this, but...Clemson ain't clean in this, buddy.
Clemson is clean. An ex Clemson player was arrested but he has nothing to do with the program now. If we're cheating in basketball we're not doing it very well.
I guess it might be regardless of this, but...Clemson ain't clean in this, buddy.
Clemson is clean. An ex Clemson player was arrested but he has nothing to do with the program now. If we're cheating in basketball we're not doing it very well.
You could say the same about us at USC, though. I don't know who these guys are paying, but it's not the right guys. Unless you're paying for the right to play in the tourney play-in game.
Clemson is clean. An ex Clemson player was arrested but he has nothing to do with the program now. If we're cheating in basketball we're not doing it very well.
You could say the same about us at USC, though. I don't know who these guys are paying, but it's not the right guys. Unless you're paying for the right to play in the tourney play-in game.
USC probably sends some guys to NBA though, Clemson might have one every 5 yr. We're not getting those kind of players.
You could say the same about us at USC, though. I don't know who these guys are paying, but it's not the right guys. Unless you're paying for the right to play in the tourney play-in game.
USC probably sends some guys to NBA though, Clemson might have one every 5 yr. We're not getting those kind of players.
You're right, but I mean with this staff in particular. That assistant didn't have anything to do with recruiting OJ Mayo, Demar Derozan, or Nicola Vucevic.
I can't see Bennie Boatwright or Chimezie Metu demanding payments to attend any school or having agents fighting over possibly representing them.
USC probably sends some guys to NBA though, Clemson might have one every 5 yr. We're not getting those kind of players.
You're right, but I mean with this staff in particular. That assistant didn't have anything to do with recruiting OJ Mayo, Demar Derozan, or Nicola Vucevic.
I can't see Bennie Boatwright or Chimezie Metu demanding payments to attend any school.
If they're dealing with 4 and 5 star giys that's where that stuff is happening. The only time Clemson is dealing with guys like, I think Brice Johnson was the latest? you hear Clemson has a chance and then all of a sudden Clemson is out and he's going to UNC. Clemson never gets those guys.
You're right, but I mean with this staff in particular. That assistant didn't have anything to do with recruiting OJ Mayo, Demar Derozan, or Nicola Vucevic.
I can't see Bennie Boatwright or Chimezie Metu demanding payments to attend any school.
If they're dealing with 4 and 5 star giys that's where that stuff is happening. The only time Clemson is dealing with guys like, I think Brice Johnson was the latest? you hear Clemson has a chance and then all of a sudden Clemson is out and he's going to UNC. Clemson never gets those guys.
Yeah, I remember when it was like this at Maryland while Gary Williams was still the coach of Maryland. He never played this game with the AAU coaches and blah blah so Maryland would never have a chance for big or local players. Then you see Kevin Durant going to Texas and Michael Beasley going to Kansas State, when they grew up 15 minutes from campus. Of course other things go into these decisions, but it's very odd.
I'm just not convinced that the FBI would announce this investigation halfway through. You don't have to be insulting about it. It could very well threaten the NCAA. I don't know. I think that it will probably ramp up the discussion of amateurism and accelerate the downfall of the NCAA, which is ongoing.
I understand that as a Louisville fan it's natural for you to tell yourself that this is happening everywhere and your school is getting picked on, and it probably is going on a lot of other places too, but the federal government announced that it had evidence on a small number of programs. If this is also happening at Kansas and Kentucky and North Carolina, why would the feds withhold that information and go forward with this?
Edit: I'm listening to a CBS Sports podcast and Matt Norlander agreed with my thought that not a whole lot is coming after this. His reasoning is that these financial advisors are generally independent consultant types working directly with the programs that we already know about.
More is coming. I've heard swaths of coaching staffs aren't going to survive this. Luckily for me and actually @fortyfive33 now , our teams will go to the Final Four this year. Unluckily for him, it's because there will be like 9 teams competing, and unluckily for me, we'll go with like a 13-19 record.
MPJ and his brother will lead us to the promised land!
And then we'll go back to sucking because they're both one-and-dones.
