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Yeah, Mike, don't let this discourage you. I'm sure the next game will be in the works shortly after this one ends.
I'm torn on the "Wolf was Mafia" angle, too. I think it's usually the case that two innocents die in Day One. My guess is that Mafia kept themselves all out of the runoff. That's not hard to do when it only took two votes to get someone into the runoff - it's easier to steer innocents in. I'm guessing the Mafia laid low this round and let Townspeople eat their own. Better to let the Townspeople make that choice than draw attention to themselves. I'm just not sure who are the ones laying low and who are the innocents at this point.
Bek didn't vote for me yet, and I'm going to return the favor.
Who's most likely to watch the BBC here? I'm guessing NTRT? Just sayin...
I talked about the possibility of there being two innocents in the runoff in that last post, but didn't really get into Wolf as much as I think I should have.
The way I see it, there's two ways I can interpret that vote. The Mafia was either indifferent or had reason to sway the vote one way or another. The way they would've swung it was against Wolf. I'm not saying the Mafia necessarily had a preferred side in this vote, but in the event that they did I would say they wanted Wolf gone.
Which got me to thinking more about Wolf, but not necessarily Wolf as Mafia. If the Mafia had a rooting interest in that vote, it was against him. But it wasn't just NTRT who voted for Wolf.
Vote Tally: superbek - 1 wolf - 2 kdogg - 2 JenKazoo - 1 ntrt - 1 eap - 1 Mike D - 2 LawnGnome- 1
kdogg >>> superbek ntrt >>> wolf LawnGnome >>> wolf superbek >>> kdogg eap >>> JenKazoo wolf >>> ntrt Mike D >>> kdogg JenKazoo >>> eap Higgi >>> Mike D bacon >>> LawnGnome Airline >>> Mike D
NTRT & LawnGnome cast the second and third votes of the game, respectively, for the exact same player. It's not like LawnGnome didn't have options - there were nine other players without votes. Gnome chose to stack his vote against Wolf. If it were the case that the Mafia wanted Wolf gone, it was NTRT & Gnome who set him up for the runoff. I don't know about the rest of you, but this looks suspicious to me. Gnome more than NTRT to me at this point.
Bacon, I know you know what I'm talking about here... your first vote tells me as much.
Which brings me to a point I would like to address:
I also feel like the death of Mike D points more to Kdogg than Wolf. That's 2 points for Kdogg.
I'm sorry, but we both know you'd be lying if you told me it's not good strategy for Mafia to whack the runner-up in a runoff. It leads to confusion, and basically puts the Townspeople back at square one at the beginning of the next day. We'd more likely than not be putting any runoff survivor's feet to the fire this round, would we not?
This doesn't necessarily point to me. But let's, for a moment, say that it does point to me. I do not think that unequivocally makes me guilty as you're saying. Another Mafia strategy is to use a whack to turn sentiment against a player they find inconvenient without directly engaging them. This strategy works better in earlier rounds, when there are more Townspeople pointing fingers at each other and more parties to spread suspicion amongst. True, it might point to me, but I caution you that taking the situation at face value is playing into Mafia hands.
Look at what Mike D was calling me out on, anyway: 1. Casting the first vote of the game. Somebody has to break the ice, and I'm not going to apologize for that. Hell, I cast my regular first vote for Bek. It's not like kdogg >>> Bek is really that controversial a vote, is it? 2. I voted for Bek. Mike D said Bek recruited him to play. I can understand wanting to play more closely to the person who invited you to play at first. He himself said he took who was voting for Bek & how Bek voted into consideration. It just so happened that, unknown to Mike D, Bek and I have a regular voting arrangement. 3. I have a rule named after me... because I was fucking awesome in Mafia 14. Yeah? And? So? What? That makes me guilty this game because...?
As I see it, those are kind of flimsy reasons to call me Mafia. If there's something I'm missing there, let me know... otherwise, I'm mildly disappointed that you're unquestionably taking the Mafia virgin's word on my guilt here.
I'm going to refrain from voting for Bacon as a measure of good faith.
Also: since Day Two began, we have yet to hear from LawnGnome, Airline & EAP... I'd like to hear from y'all.
I feel like kdogg is being set up as mafia. He doesn't seem to be any more defensive than he usually is. I have to agree he is long winded no matter what his role and usually looks guilty even when he is innocent.
Hey now... I never flat-out said you & Gnome as Mafia in cahoots was the only possibility, just that it was a possibility. I think I made that clear in the wording of that post. I said that, in the event that the Mafia had an agenda against Wolf in the runoff, you & Gnome were the ones executing it. I think at this point in the game, given what we've seen, this is a legitimate line of inquiry. Don't begrudge a Townsperson for deliberating in public.
My post on that is the most substantive one we've had in Day Two, and it seems all you're doing is vilifying me for deliberating in public like a good Townsperson should. You didn't even address any of the content of my post - you basically said I'm guilty because I made a lengthy post. Talk about flimsy evidence...
I'm sorry, but we've only got so much to work with at this point. I'm doing what I can with what we've got. You, on the other hand, seem to want to make me go away as quickly and quietly as possible.
The death video has a BBC watermark in the corner. That's why I was wondering.
As far as flimsy evidence... I'm not saying I'm right, but at least I'm thinking about it. I don't see a majority of my fellow Townspeople stepping up with theories. So of course, that makes me the lightning rod. Too many other players out there are being too quiet.
Hey now... I never flat-out said you & Gnome as Mafia in cahoots was the only possibility, just that it was a possibility. I think I made that clear in the wording of that post.
That's not the post I'm talking about. In my experience, kdogg the townie tries to figure out who is guilty. On the other hand, kdogg the mafia casts suspicion on anyone you can for any (or no) reason. The BBC? Really?
You didn't even address any of the content of my post - you basically said I'm guilty because I made a lengthy post. Talk about flimsy evidence...
See, this is what I'm talking about too. I explicitly said that I wasn't talking about the length of your post, but you're repeating this as if I hadn't said it.
I said that, in the event that the Mafia had an agenda against Wolf in the runoff, you & Gnome were the ones executing it.
My vote was the second of the game. LG's was third. I didn't change my vote at all, even in the runoffs. It looks like LG didn't either. How exactly would we have been orchestrating a runoff without ever changing our votes in the runoff?
It does seem a bit odd that Lawngnome would vote for Wolf when he already had a vote.
Knowing that wolf was a townsperson at least makes that slightly suspicious.
I think the odds are terribly high that either Gnome or kdogg is mafia.
Because
1) If both NTRT and Lawngnome were mafia, it would be easy to kill a townsperson without drawing attention to yourself (since wolf is NTRT's usual voting partner). And by the time anyone figured it out, two to three townies would already be dead.
2) The only thing that goes against this is kdogg's spat with Mike D. It's entirely possible that kdogg was set up once it appeared he wanted to get rid of mike, but it's also possible that kdogg was mafia and thought mike d was inspector.
So in this case, i'm suspicious of Lawngnome, Kdogg, and NTRT in that order.
Best way to play this imo is getting two if not all three in a runoff in an attempt to draw out more evidence.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
^^I hear ya.... it's probably what we are supposed to think which would make them both innocent.
We got a lotta quiet people out there....
1. I agree that the runoff and consequent mafia whack were used to confuse and manipulate us - as that is basically the point of the game. 2. Wolf I am undecided about thus far - but leaning towards guilty - I also think the slaying of Mike D. was a framejob, which supports the idea of Wolf possibly being guilty - anyone else see that correlation? 3. I think the best thing we can do - again - is to throw two more players into a runoff, two of the most suspicious candidates. 4. There are some quiet people out there.
Knowing that wolf was a townsperson at least makes that slightly suspicious.
what exactly are you saying here??? how do you know that wolf was a townsperson?
i'm going to go with jenkazoo again for now, just b/c i am up in the air. i agree lawn looks the most suspicious. kdogg's favorite quality about himself is that he can go on forever about anything, so i don't necessarily think he is guilty at this point.
EAP730>>>>>>>jenkazooty
(my vote is def open to change, depending on what others say. i'm just in DC visiting friends, so i'm not going to be on here a TON.)
Last Edit: Jun 25, 2010 14:29:28 GMT -5 by EAP - Back to Top
So in this case, i'm suspicious of Lawngnome, Kdogg, and NTRT in that order.
Well, both NTRT and LawnGnome voted for Wolf in the first round, before the runoff. Kdogg is always suspicious. So lets get all three in a runoff!
Higgi --> NTRT
What exactly have I done that was suspicious? I voted for Wolf well before LG did.
Actually, I voted for wolf after the end of the last game in that thread, much like kdogg voted for Bek after that game was over. I would have voted for wolf first in the last game, but he was the ref -- look at the first post of that game. My round 1 vote for wolf goes back to the game before that one -- check it out. What I'm saying is that my vote for wolf wasn't exactly a surprise.
So, higgi, you voted for me. Can you tell me what I've done that was suspicious?
When I think he is guilty he is innocent & vice versa.