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I believe he is trying to be an upstanding citizen but it just so happens that this time he is wrong. Higgi, I will be waiting for my apology at the end of the game.
kdoggy is working a double today so he won't be able close voting until after midnight. And I am pretty sure that you all have delighted his heart just so you know...
Jen^ why are you voting for me? I think this is super weird that in the 1st round you called me, bek and higgi out as mafia. Then b/c of me bek dies and now you still think I'm mafia?? Seems pretty strange to me. I'm also pretty sure that indio seems to do whatever you or wolf tell him to do, which is also fishy. On my radar right now is jen, indi and wolf (who might be inspector??).
Then b/c of me bek dies and now you still think I'm mafia?? Seems pretty strange to me. I'm also pretty sure that indio seems to do whatever you or wolf tell him to do, which is also fishy. On my radar right now is jen, indi and wolf (who might be inspector??).
Wait, how did bek die because of you? Higgi cast the deciding vote, not you.
And it's a little weird that you have now mentioned the possibility of wolf as inspector twice. If you really think he's inspector, why would you point the mafia's attention in his direction (twice)?
I'm going to have to go back through my notes before I vote...
^ b/c i changed my vote from wolf to bek making the runoff between me/bek.
oh! i am sorry for calling attention. i just know he has been making pretty strong accusations, which leads me to believe he is either mafia or inspector. but i felt that bek was mafia and he thought she was pretty guilty, so that makes me think he might be inspector. i don't know that i'm the only one that has said this...
Post by awolfatthedoor on Jul 14, 2010 13:39:51 GMT -5
I just want to make it clear right now. I AM NOT THE INSPECTOR. The mafia knows this because they didn't kill me off. I am trying to figure out where this leaves us. My guess is the mafia took a stab in the dark with Bacon.
I'm going to try and answer some questions before they were asked. 1. I thought Bek was guilty because the change of vote to kill me without a run-off seemed incredibly suspicious. 2. I didn't clarify my status as a townsperson and not the inspector because if Bek was actually guilty, then I would have been killed off and we would be down one mafia with the inspector still alive.
haha wow. i really don't know what to say right now.
But I do know Jen has been heavy on the accusations and light on the explanations... And an immediate vote to follow the death, along with INDI?? That certainly looks VERY fishy to me... So, either one of you have some inside info or you're both working together.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Jul 14, 2010 14:51:02 GMT -5
I picked the wrong game to decide to play in. I have to go back to the library and study. I'm still not sure who I want to vote for, so I'll vote later this afternoon.
Post by indigrainbow on Jul 14, 2010 15:18:58 GMT -5
uh, no, i continued my vote in the second day for EAP because... drum roll prease.. the only thing bacon had done was initially and continue to vote for EAP. first, EAP is all like "oh now who do i vote for" and out comes the western style guns of bacon with "i'll be your huckleberry". ends with EAP very close to getting offed instead of Bek. then bacon mysteriously disappears in the night. seems the fishiest of all things to me right now.
if we are going to go accusing people of being mafia for voting the same as anyone else... well, damn, kdogg messed up and made more than just 3 people mafia, i guess!
im looking heavily at who voted for someone other than EAP, who changed their votes when, and what else is going on. i seriously doubt that bacon was mafia and they killed one of their own in the night because he wasn't liking the extended version of mafia xxx. there were many more people who put in a lot more input in the round than bacon, bacon was practically quiet. i seriously doubt they just killed him off to take a stab in the dark. two scenarios. 1, he was inspector or made the mafia think he was inspector by slipping in his vote for EAP as if it were just a casual thing because EAP is mafia. 2, he (and all else who voted for EAP) was wrong and EAP is not mafia, which doesnt make any sense for mafia to kill him. my bet is bacon was inspector or looked like he might be the inspector. they arent going to waste kills on just wild stabs in the dark, they are being logical about it, too, and have the advantage of knowing who each other is. my vote with EAP stays.
haha wow. i really don't know what to say right now.
But I do know Jen has been heavy on the accusations and light on the explanations... And an immediate vote to follow the death, along with INDI?? That certainly looks VERY fishy to me... So, either one of you have some inside info or you're both working together.
Higgi -> Jen
I agree with this. I have been doing a lot more reading/thinking than last game and I think higgi hit the nail on the head with this. I am unsure about indig though. Being in the same shoes last game though makes it tough to decide if he is voting out of sheer randomness or taking the advice of the other mafia members; by an earlier post ( I believe on page 1 with the Matlock refrence) I feel this hints at indig and wolf working together. Granted, both of us are new to the game, but we will see what others think. For now. . .
Post by indigrainbow on Jul 14, 2010 15:37:33 GMT -5
i assure you that being new to the game i would have had the foresight to wait for my fellow mafia members were i mafia before posting willy nilly. there is surely a strategy to be used in how the mafia votes and even responds in the thread, not just how they decide who to kill in the night. i am not mafia this round, or i would have relied on a "last vote" strategy touting myself as too new to the game to be sure on how to vote. fortuantely, i won't have that option ever again, since after this it will no longer be my first game, so i wont have to rely on that strategy if i ever am mafia.
again, the reason I cast the first vote of this round is for two reasons:
1. i am not the inspector, and don't mind being targeted as one for the next night if it results in a mafia's death, and am sure of EAP's guilt for the below reason. 2. i believed that EAP was likelier to be guilty than Wolf when I initially changed my vote on page 1, but had no real bearing to go on. as the thread progressed, EAP's guilt seemed more and more real, along with a few other suspects. the thing that REALLY got me and ensured me to snap off a vote first thing on this second day for EAP is the fact that bacon got whacked by the mafia, and all that he had done was vote for EAP.
Anyone that doesn't at least take this very important second reason into account and agree or debate it with logic, especially any who just toss the data to the side and vote otherwise, is highly suspicious to me for next in line to be voted after EAP.
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^ you do realize your vote stacking makes YOU look guilty rainbow???
If I was mafia, it would reeeeealllly stupid of me to pick to kill bacon, when as we know, he just voted for me. And as we saw, he voted for me, bc jen abandoned me. I don't think that makes him look like inspector, but that's just me.
Also, could you explain how my guilt became "more and more real"?? Sorry but that sounds kind of nutty.
Post by indigrainbow on Jul 14, 2010 16:21:16 GMT -5
Yes, Jen went after someone else leaving an open space and bacon filled it. That alone doesn't make you look suspicious to me. I've been looking at what everyone's been doing and trying to think from their shoes as if they were mafia. If I were mafia, lost my voting partner, bacon voted for me and then said practically nothing else the duration of the round, turned out that bacon's voting for me escalated into a very close battle between me and and someone else, that my first priority would be to have bacon killed in case he was the inspector and was just laying low. Aside from possibly Bacon, I've not seen any evidence making me think anyone was the inspector yet, but if Bacon were on the wrong trail and EAP was innocent, it doesn't make any sense to off bacon. Bacon has been laying low, not showing any signs of being a threat as a townsperson, and otherwise had no reason to be killed by mafia in the night if EAP were innocent. There were plenty of others, if EAP were innocent, who could have been knocked off because they got too close this way or that way. It really doesn't make sense at all to kill a random person that is way off base and inactive compared to the rest of the chaos and accusations.
You are either innocent and I am wrong, and are retaliating because you think I am mafia, or you are guilty and I am right, and you are trying to get me killed off instead of risking another close call with one of your mafia members.
Bacon was obviously not mafia. I really think that Bacon may have been the inspector and that that is the same conclusion the mafia drew. Either the inspector, or accidentally correct in identifying EAP. Later on in the thread, Bacon convinces us to add EAP to the run-off for a 3-way run-off, if you remember. I also think it is odd that you keep naming who you think is inspector. If you really believed someone to be inspector, even if you thought it might be apparent to others because they were being "adamant", I don't see what the advantage would be of naming them as inspector as a townsperson.
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Post by nitetimeritetime on Jul 14, 2010 16:37:56 GMT -5
I like your approach to the game, indi. You've made me want to back through my notes again, but for a different reason. Now I want to see if there's any evidence of people helping EAP...
Wow. You are like kdogg on crazy pills! Very confusing. Haha
Do I need to requote jen AGAIN???
I was NOT the first person or the only person to say wolf might be inspector.
He just came out and said he isn't, so I believe him.
I don't know if bacon was inspector or not. But like I said before, it would be pretty dumb of me to pick bacon to kill after he only voted for me.
But you my friend, are waaaaay too wordy and defensive for my taste.
EAP>>>jen>>>indi
Wait, I thought you said you believed him to be the inspector last time you posted on the matter? Now a change of heart all of a sudden? Why would it be dumb to vote for Bacon if you were mafia? Most of my words haven't been in defense of me, they've been in offense of you.
Also, let me be less confusing.
1. Bacon was not mafia, we know that because the mafia killed him. 2. The only thing that Bacon did was vote for EAP. 3. If EAP were innocent, then surely some of the other accusations were correct about who is mafia. 4. If EAP were innocent, then the mafia would have no reason to waste a kill on Bacon when they could have easily killed off another more correct player, and probably with more confusion involved.
The ONLY thing that killing off Bacon does is make EAP look guilty.
Now, I do contend that it is possible that this was a ploy. It is possible that EAP is innocent and they killed off Bacon to make EAP still look guilty to buy some more time.
But with all the opinions that have been thrown out, I don't see why they would have seen it a proper investment to kill Bacon if EAP is innocent. On one hand, you could kill off an innocent townsperson that voted for another innocent townsperson which might cause a little bit of confusion but also ruin a good track record. A good track record for the mafia is someone who is consistently wrong about who the mafia is. Extra ammunition during the day plus they likely won't tag you correctly. On the other hand, though, you could kill off an innocent townsperson who correctly voted against a mafia member. Which would you choose, EAP, if you were mafia?
EAP, if you were mafia, say in a theoretical other game similar to this one, and otherwise (regardless of your alleged innocence in this game) the circumstances were the same, who would you have voted for? And then who would you have killed off in the night? If you were mafia, and Bacon voted for you and then convinced another player to send you to a 3-way resulting in a close 2-way with you almost dying, would you leave Bacon alone, or have him killed?
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Wait, I thought you said you believed him to be the inspector last time you posted on the matter? Now a change of heart all of a sudden?
wolf posted in between the last time i said i thought he might be inspector. he claims he is not (which might just be to keep the mafia from killing him). usually the inspector drops hints and never outright says I AM NOT INSPECTOR.
EAP, if you were mafia, say in a theoretical other game similar to this one, and otherwise (regardless of your alleged innocence in this game) the circumstances were the same, who would you have voted for? And then who would you have killed off in the night? If you were mafia, and Bacon voted for you and then convinced another player to send you to a 3-way resulting in a close 2-way with you almost dying, would you leave Bacon alone, or have him killed?
well in this theoretical game, i would vote for whoever wasn't mafia and i wouldn't call for a voting partner like i did, b/c i would already know who is a townsperson and who isn't and would choose accordingly. people don't usually stack votes first round, unless they are mafia, which is what YOU did.
as for the killing in this theoretical game, i would have killed a person who either would make someone look guilty or who had been throwing out a lot of accusations (i.e. wolf or jen at this point).
i think bacon just put me in the runoff b/c that's how first rounds work. we always have runoffs. it helps later on, to see who voted for who.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Jul 14, 2010 17:26:56 GMT -5
I just want to point out that Kdogg as part of the mafia killed Mike D last game. Usually the mafia's number one priority is killing off the inspector.
I was just being impulsive earlier when I made my prediciton. It doesn't look like it will pan out. Hell, I suck as a townsperson. I honesty never know what to do. I have no good reason to vote for you EAP. I'm just keeping it with you because you stood out in my head.....and you have to be Mafia eventually, right?
One thing though....you accused rainbow of stacking votes, did you mean this round? If anything I would have been the vote stacker, not him, right? The first voter cannot really be a "vote stacker" if the have nothing to stack upon. I, on the other hand, could totally be called a vote stacker.
I don't think that makes him look like inspector, but that's just me.