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I would say interested in you - not adamant. Also, I just noticed the addition to your post above. Haha I am not trying to convince you that you're mafia, nor a Walrus.
As far as the Indi & Jen vote that went immediately following the death post - I still find that extremely uncomfortable. Lets think about it:
1. They vote immediately after the kill is posted - could mean they submitted it - technical error?
I really don't like this strategy of seeing who voted first after the kill, or at least it's never been useful to me. But they didn't vote immediately after kogg's post -- kdogg posted the kill at 3:06am, and then indi voted at 10:48am. Jen voted at 11: 59am.
At this point, indi has talked a lot, and I haven't seen any place where he's tripped up or contradicted himself. He looks like a townie to me. I don't know if he's right about EAP -- he may be completely wrong.
I do agree with your other two points though, higgi -- Jen's vote in this round might make her look guilty, but I just don't think it makes indi look guilty.
The only suspicious behavior I've seen so far has been Jen's vote in this round and all the accusations against EAP. When you add wolf's and NBF's accusation against EAP, added to the stuff indi has been saying, it looks like EAP has more strikes against her.
I don't really like using the 'first vote' information, either. But I thought it was worth mentioning, as I'm sure some people may be interested in that information.
I haven't disregarded that post by Wolf, either. I do find some validity in it, but as I said before and always do, I still think a runoff would be most productive.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jul 15, 2010 16:18:42 GMT -5
^ Yay, I look forward to the first 60-page game.
Higgi, I almost want to null my vote, but I keep coming back to putting indi in the runoff. I just have trouble believing a first-time player would get a mafia role and then be able to sway several people's votes like he has.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jul 15, 2010 16:21:18 GMT -5
^ just read that post again, and I mean no offense, indi. You're one of the better first-time players I've seen. And if you're mafia, then you may be the best.
Higgi, I almost want to null my vote, but I keep coming back to putting indi in the runoff. I just have trouble believing a first-time player would get a mafia role and then be able to sway several people's votes like he has.
He definitely understands the game and has been quite influential to this point, which has clearly made me think he's operating under an ulterior motive.
I hope he's just good and not blowing smoke you know where! Kdogg may have met his match
if i was mafia, would it be so heavily stacked against me???
This is a good point. It's unlikely that as early as the second round, the only three people not to vote for you are mafia. This is one of the reasons I keep rethinking my vote.
But the problem with the runoff is this:
The vote now is: EAP: 6 indi: 3
Everyone has voted. Even if I change my vote to indi (who I don't think is guilty and don't want to vote for), it would only make it EAP 5, indi 4.
As always I think a runoff would be most productive. But while I also believe that at least TWO if not THREE of the EAP votes are coming from Mafia stacking, I don't think a runoff will happen.
No one will budge from their current vote as no one wants that undue attention at this point.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jul 15, 2010 17:43:10 GMT -5
Ok, I was going to try my first time without doing this, but I'm not sure if I'm going to make it through the night now.
We did the right thing killing EAP today. She was 100% guilty. The other name you'll need is NBF's. She's been the red herring vote for the mafia, the one who hasn't stepped up to keep EAP involved in runoffs (instead of dying outright), so you'd never know she was mafia. I believe the other mafia member has been stepping up to protect her.
I'm betting that now that you're armed with this knowledge, the rest of you townies can figure out who I just asked kdogg about.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jul 15, 2010 17:54:05 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I got NBF's name at the beginning of the game. NBF did step up one time in Day One to get Bek into a runoff instead of EAP, which made me suspicious of EAP. That was all I had to go on at the time, so I asked about EAP that night. kdogg confirmed my suspicion.
Based on NBF's vote this round, you wouldn't think she was mafia. But she is. She's the red herring vote. She's the distraction. I'm pretty sure the other mafia member has been helping out EAP.
I have given kdogg my next guess already, and I'm sure that if you go back and look through the game you will see who I asked about.
So we have two names now.. NTRT won't last through the night obviously. WOLF I don't blame you for assuming I am the third guilty party but I ensure you, you're wrong. I haven't been sticking up for anyone if you look, I have been trying to go the most productive, and information-giving route each round. ie RUNOFFS. That is nothing out of the ordinary for me.
Would I blatantly stick up for a fellow mafia member when they are clearly going to die by vote????? Would I even associate myself with that situation if I were guilty? Ask yourself that.
So we have two names now.. NTRT won't last through the night obviously. WOLF I don't blame you for assuming I am the third guilty party but I ensure you, you're wrong. I haven't been sticking up for anyone if you look, I have been trying to go the most productive, and information-giving route each round. ie RUNOFFS. That is nothing out of the ordinary for me.
Would I blatantly stick up for a fellow mafia member when they are clearly going to die by vote????? Would I even associate myself with that situation if I were guilty? Ask yourself that.
You know what? I would be fine with killing Mike D off first. I'm not actually going to vote for you next round. We need to get our ducks in a row first.
Ok, I was going to try my first time without doing this, but I'm not sure if I'm going to make it through the night now.
We did the right thing killing EAP today. She was 100% guilty. The other name you'll need is NBF's. She's been the red herring vote for the mafia, the one who hasn't stepped up to keep EAP involved in runoffs (instead of dying outright), so you'd never know she was mafia. I believe the other mafia member has been stepping up to protect her.
I'm betting that now that you're armed with this knowledge, the rest of you townies can figure out who I just asked kdogg about.
Just to be clear, I got NBF's name at the beginning of the game. NBF did step up one time in Day One to get Bek into a runoff instead of EAP, which made me suspicious of EAP. That was all I had to go on at the time, so I asked about EAP that night. kdogg confirmed my suspicion.
Based on NBF's vote this round, you wouldn't think she was mafia. But she is. She's the red herring vote. She's the distraction. I'm pretty sure the other mafia member has been helping out EAP.
I have given kdogg my next guess already, and I'm sure that if you go back and look through the game you will see who I asked about.
This is a joke, right? I am not mafia. I put bek in the runoff because she took herself out of it and I wanted to see a runoff. I voted for eap this round because Wolf was right that eap seemed guilty because she was playing differently than she usually does.
