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Post by indigrainbow on Jul 15, 2010 19:22:34 GMT -5
I agree about getting ducks lined up. How likely is it that NTRT was lying and actually mafia, sacrificing their life to send us all on a crazy duck hunt? Surely, a claim such as NTRT's is worthy of examining further before any votes are cast. If NTRT was lying, who would they have been in cahoots with?
Regardless of whether or not NTRT was lying, who was NTRT hinting at as the third name they allegedly asked kdogg about before dying?
If we vote wrong today, the townspeople could lose as soon as tonight with the next mafia kill, depending on who we have been correct and incorrect about trying as guilty so far.
If we were correct in identifying EAP but NTRT was mafia and lying, that would leave only one mafia left, so that isn't likely. We are either looking at the possibility of EAP having actually been innocent, or NTRT was telling the truth, in my eyes.
1. If EAP was innocent, then there is a maximum possibility of two mafia floating around left alive that would like to see us to continue to believe EAP's guilt and then subsequently vote NBF off.
2. If EAP was guilty, then NTRT was telling the truth, and we should try to figure out who else NBF is working with while we have some daylight today.
Personally, NTRT was not acting outlandishly suspicious to me, so I'm leaning to believing what was said.
But I want to wait and see what other types of logic are posted before voting, so indigrainbow >>> null for the moment.
It's looking more and more like poor Bek may have been innocent, though.
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Post by nitetimeritetime on Jul 15, 2010 20:13:33 GMT -5
I know you think you were doing something brutal to me, mafia, but if I had to die, anal electrocution is the way I hope to go. Either that or by a winking smiley with giant gloved thumb
I'd like to see someone make a coherent case against ntrt.
I'm on the same page with you, I don't want to be too quick to vote NBF off and would like to see what reasons people might have for thinking NTRT was lying, if they can come up with any.
Anything is a possibility, of course, but I'd like to see more either against or in defense of NTRT, and I would like to see more either against or in defense of NBF. We can't try NTRT, obviously, but if someone has some suspicion that NTRT was lying, perhaps they also have something to say about it..
So far, though, as I understand it, no one has claimed NTRT to have been a lying mafioso.
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Post by indigrainbow on Jul 15, 2010 20:44:52 GMT -5
The problem for me is, if NTRT were actually mafia, then the mafia's style in trying to persuade our vote on this day is the same as it were when EAP was on trial (i.e., very crafty and manipulative).
If EAP were innocent, then they have made a lot of effort to make others look guilty based on who has been killed. First, by killing Bacon and using the ensuing chaos to heighten EAP to suspicion, then by sacrificing their own NTRT to make NBF look guilty.
If NTRT were telling the truth, there are two mafia left (assuming Bek was innocent). If NTRT were lying, there are still two mafia left.
I find it much easier to believe that NTRT was telling the truth, but I'm still undecided.
Higgi, if you get back on in time, can you think of any reason NTRT would have been lying?
I don't have any reason not to believe NTRT. I would vote NBF based on his revelation then go after Higgi next. Why Higgi? If NTRT is really inspector then I can see why he was pushing a run-off. What better way to take a stab at saving EAP without making it look like he was saving EAP. Most people are usually in favor run offs so this could have been a clever way for him to save EAP while keeping his distance.
Well I have read several posts over and over trying to hash all this out. My instincts are telling me that rainbow seems to have done his research, along with Jen. I will explain further if need be but I feel confident that NBF is mafia. As to who else, I am looking at the rest of who is left to vote. I would be willing to bet that at least one of them is mafia as well, but can't find too many real reasons yet and another runoff looks very unlikely. I may change depending on how the rest of you vote and your reasons if you choose to give any. So without rehashing a novel in my post...
Post by NothingButFlowers on Jul 16, 2010 9:49:55 GMT -5
Let's assume for a minute that ntrt was mafia (because he obviously was). He comes out as "inspector" saying that there is one definitely dead mafia (eap), one definitely live mafia (me), and one possibly/probably live mafia (?). Then he kills himself off, leaving seven of us in the game. Presumably, if ntrt was mafia, the people he named were innocent. He is obviously dead, so that leaves, at most 2 remaining mafia, and, at least 1.
During the day today, we follow his plan of killing one of his supposed mafioso (me) off, leaving six people. During the night, another innocent dies, leaving 5 people. Either 4 townspeople and 1 mafia or 3 townspeople and 2 mafia. During the day tomorrow, you all kill off whoever you decide he was naming as the third mafia. That person is likely to be innocent as well, and then another innocent dies in the night tomorrow, leaving 3 people. Either 2 townspeople and 1 mafia or 1 townsperson and 2 mafia. Either way, it leaves the mafia with pretty good odds.
Think about it, ntrt's death doesn't actually make sense. If he was the inspector and I was mafia, I would have left him alive because his death just validates what he said about me being guilty. The only real chance I would have had to dispute what he said would have been to leave him alive so that I could cast doubt on his inspector claim.
I don't know who the remaining mafia members are, but I know that I'm not one of them. My best is wolf, mainly because he was so adamantly accusing bek in the beginning of the game.
Why Higgi? If NTRT is really inspector then I can see why he was pushing a run-off. What better way to take a stab at saving EAP without making it look like he was saving EAP. Most people are usually in favor run offs so this could have been a clever way for him to save EAP while keeping his distance.
Ughh.. My infinity for runoffs has made me look guilty. I think the majority of you know that I always push for runoffs, this case was no different and I hope you can see I have been playing in the best interest of the townies this whole game.
NTRT and I were collaborating here and in the bottom quote it shows where I stated (To make clear I wasn't sticking up for EAP or anyone) that I wasn't opposed to killing EAP. Then following the strange INDI-JEN vote that I found suspicious, I changed my vote to INDI. NTRT said he believed INDI was innocent, I feel the other party in that duo is the last guilty one we are looking for.
On second thought, I'm not sure I want to vote for EAP. Higgi is usually right on target in these games, and what he said about Jen and indi makes some sense. I'll have to rethink this after class.
ntrt >>> EAP >>> null
I am changing my vote to Indi - I am not opposed to killing EAP, but as we don't have CONCRETE evidence against either, I feel we should consider a runoff between the two of them. Any thoughts?
Post by awolfatthedoor on Jul 16, 2010 13:19:15 GMT -5
No solid reasoning. I was hoping someone else would say something that could help convince some others. Also NBF hopefully understand I've been confused the whole game. I just went after who I thought was guilty. Hopefully someone else will join hopefully me and NBF and make this a runoff.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Jul 16, 2010 13:29:18 GMT -5
For obvious reasons, I'm willing to change my vote. Like I said, I don't really know who ntrt was working with. I can see how indi definitely would be a possibility. He keeps saying that if he was mafia, he wouldn't have talked so much because he'd have been waiting for cues from his fellow mafia, but would he? Wouldn't the way he's played have been a perfect cover for a new player who got put in the mafia in his first game?
I'm sure that if you go back and look through the game you will see who I asked about.
See, this is the only thing tripping me up. Why did NTRT not just outright say who he thought the third member was and why?
Was NTRT baiting who they suspected to be that third member into revealing themselves as mafia, and just chose to not mention that person hoping we would take the hint and try to bait the top suspects into revealing more on our own after NTRT was killed by mafia, or was NTRT lying and trying to send the innocents on a whirlwind of accusations by not naming the third?
Post by Lawn Gnome on Jul 16, 2010 14:01:17 GMT -5
I also find indi's lengthy explanations (while helpful) a bit suspicious. He would make a perfect Mafioso with his exceptionally persuasive discourse. My apologies if you're innocent.
