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Does anyone else find it absolutely terrifying how popular Sarah Palin is? Could you imagine if she won? I hope Democrats and others show up to the polls in two years and make sure this does not happen.
Post by hibouxdufromage on Nov 5, 2010 18:55:20 GMT -5
I've become accustomed to the fact that our country is chock-full of idiots. That's just how it is. Bunches and bunches of morons. Dems don't get their asses to the polls unless they've got something to be angry about. With a republican majority in congress, there'll be plenty to be angry about in 2 years. Same thing happened in Bill Clinton's first term.
Palin's popularity is an illusion. She's everywhere all the time so we assume that everybody likes her but it's just that she generates attention, both positive and negative.
According to a CNN poll released on 11/4, 14% of Republicans currently want her to run in 2012, ranking third behind Mike Huckabee (21%) and Mitt Romney (20%).
Even after this week's so-called referendum on the Obama administration, he's polling 8 points over her (52 to 44) among registered voters. Meanwhile he trails Huckabee (52 to 42) and Mitt Romney (50 to 45).
Palin's favorables are at 40% versus 50% unfavorable. (For someone with her media saturation, I'm surprised that there's 10% still undecided!)
The best thing for the Democrats would be Palin vs. Obama in 2012. The Dems would be incredibly active, she's so polarizing that she'll push Independents to the left and even send some Republicans in that direction.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Nov 6, 2010 11:32:31 GMT -5
I would be completely excited about Palin running for president in 2012. If the GOP are stupid enough to elect her or some other "Tea Party" crazy there's no way they win no matter what the economy's like at the time.
Post by billypilgrim on Nov 6, 2010 13:33:43 GMT -5
Based on the latest election, most Americans want less spending and more jobs. But how do you create jobs without spending? Now that the GOP has a majority in the House, they can't just sit back and criticize. They have to come forward with some solutions, which necessarily involve asking the electorate to make difficult choices. It's easy to say you want less government. But what services do you cut? Whose jobs do you eliminate? The pendulum is going to swing back. It always does.
Unfortunately, the GOP is so good at staying on message that they will deny all culpability in anything negative that happens or continues to happen in the next two years. They'll still blame Obama. They'll still blame the Senate. They'll still blame the liberal media. They'll still blame renegade judges.
Worse yet, the Left is so bad at communicating their message that they'll get shouted down, out spent or too rational and nuanced to convince the public of the truth.
Fox News has a captive audience that accepts everything shoveled into their mouthes. They have been programed to believe that anything contrary to the Fox message is lies from biased liberal media and if they aren't lies, why bother to get the news that Fox is already giving them from another outlet? Their viewers are afraid. Afraid of a world that is leaving them behind.
They believe that the president is not a US citizen.
They believe that he is a Muslim.
They believe that the Obama administration is responsible for the recession.
They believe that things aren't improving.
They believe that Obamacare will force them to pay more for healthcare and will put people in prison for not having coverage.
They believe that gay marriage somehow diminishes their own.
They believe that there is a secret agenda to create one North American country called Amerimexicanada.
They believe that having positions in government called czars is evidence that the president wants us to be a communist nation.
My point? My point is that George W Bush was elected to a second term. In spite of the clusterf*ck around him, he was reelected. The Dems are that poorly run. They nominated a liberal democrat from Massachusetts to run against him. They could not articulate their message better than a man whose grasp of the English language would be laudable only if it was not his native tongue. They lost even though they nominated a war hero against a draft dodger with a NO NO WORD!!! history and an arrest for driving under the influence.
Don't bank on the pendulum swinging back. That movement is based on gravity and we know how the Right feels about science.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Unfortunately, the GOP is so good at staying on message that they will deny all culpability in anything negative that happens or continues to happen in the next two years. They'll still blame Obama. They'll still blame the Senate. They'll still blame the liberal media. They'll still blame renegade judges.
Worse yet, the Left is so bad at communicating their message that they'll get shouted down, out spent or too rational and nuanced to convince the public of the truth.
Fox News has a captive audience that accepts everything shoveled into their mouthes. They have been programed to believe that anything contrary to the Fox message is lies from biased liberal media and if they aren't lies, why bother to get the news that Fox is already giving them from another outlet? Their viewers are afraid. Afraid of a world that is leaving them behind.
They believe that the president is not a US citizen.
They believe that he is a Muslim.
They believe that the Obama administration is responsible for the recession.
They believe that things aren't improving.
They believe that Obamacare will force them to pay more for healthcare and will put people in prison for not having coverage.
They believe that gay marriage somehow diminishes their own.
They believe that there is a secret agenda to create one North American country called Amerimexicanada.
They believe that having positions in government called czars is evidence that the president wants us to be a communist nation.
My point? My point is that George W Bush was elected to a second term. In spite of the clusterf*ck around him, he was reelected. The Dems are that poorly run. They nominated a liberal democrat from Massachusetts to run against him. They could not articulate their message better than a man whose grasp of the English language would be laudable only if it was not his native tongue. They lost even though they nominated a war hero against a draft dodger with a NO NO WORD!!! history and an arrest for driving under the influence.
Don't bank on the pendulum swinging back. That movement is based on gravity and we know how the Right feels about science.
First and foremost, this is not a communication issue, it's a policy issue. People are upset about what they see happening to them...it's beyond a message and it's affecting people's lives. That's why the elections went the way they did. To your other points...
-there is a small group of loons who think Obama was born elsewhere...there is a slightly larger group of skeptics, who question his citizenship. These groups do not represent the majority of conservatives, so to say "they believe" is inaccurate
-Obama was raised as a Muslim. He chose to convert later in life (why don't you go listen to what his Christian preacher, Jeremiah Wright, has to say--he's about as crazy as they come!) So, while he may not be a practicing muslim, he was born a muslim and was raised with a muslim foundation. That foundation that we all have in one way or another sticks with us in some fashion throughout our lives.
-I don't think anyone thinks Obama is solely responsible for the mess we're in. I believe it was the Cllinton administration (with a Republican congress) when we started forcing lenders to give out more home loans, even to those who couldn't really afford them. The Wall Street guys we're betting both ways and getting super rich. It's really quite awful when you consider all t he factors leading up to the recession. Obama's problem is that he hasn't done anything to help--and no a stimulus package that creates to obscure research jobs at no-name colleges is not going to benefit the economy. We need businesses to creat jobs, not the government.
-People tend to believe what they can see. Most folks aren't seeing any improvement in their current situation, so yeah, of course they believe things aren't getting better.
-Obamacare will cost more. You cannot provide better coverage to more people for less money. Just can't happen, completely illogical.
-Keep in mind that many conservatives have some sort of Christian background (and don't vllanize them for it--it's weird how people act like the Christians are the evil ones...) A huge component of their belief system is procreation. That's something that's only supposed to occur in the sacred union of marriage, and can only happen between one man and one woman. So yes, for people who believe that marriage is sacred between man and woman, allowing same-sex marriage does diminish their own, it mocks it and disrespects it because gays simply can't do what straights can--reproduce!
-Oh, it's not the one N. American country that's worrisome, it's the New World Order! Get all the banks together with t he gov't--I've already heard some stories that Wall Street will be voting democratic next time around--and we're on our way. Europe has already paved the way w/the EU and single currency (an idea that again goes back to the bible)
-People associate the word czars with communist Russia. People are already worried about Obama's extreme left leanings. Really a poor choice to choose that word when, despite it's dictionary definition, has that negative stigma attached to it.
-I think you said something somewhere (sorry if it was someone else) about "They believe Sharia law is in place here"...let me tell you something. While it may not be in place right now, there is nothing to stop it from being considered. There is precedent for foreign law to be considered in US courts. Oklahoma passed an amendment prohibiting the consideration of Sharia Law in court decisions. A federal judge has since struck down this amendment, paving the way for other judges to consider a legal system which encourages rape and murder. Sadly, the idea of the government encourage rape really isn't all that far-fetched considering that if we refuse to enter the radiation chamber at the airport for a forced strip search, we TSA pervs sexually assaulting our women and molesting our children. So disgusting.
My point? The entire gov't is poorly run, on both sides of the aisle. It's bloated, oversized, overpowerful, and completely disconnected from the American people. The Dems seem to be worse with the massive spending and high taxes, but the Republicans are guilty too. We need real, meaningful change if we ever want to see what was once a great country step back on to t he right track.
*It it was all policy, and not any part of it communication why did 60% of conservatives believe on exit polls he had raised taxes instead of lowering them?
- There is a small group of loons who believe he was born elsewhere, they are called the Tea Party. As a whole 41 PERCENT or republicans believe it ( www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40644.html ), that is not a few it is a sizable percentage of people .
- Obama was raised as a Christian, while he did go to a madras in Indonesia his primary education was at a Catholic school. His mother raised him as a Christian, he never actively identified himself as a muslim, he never attended a mosque, he never said the daily prayers. You believing this is just another example of conservatives trying to change a narrative on a technical point. If your dad was Jewish, and your mom Christian then your dad left after you were born and your mom raised you as a christian, you are still technically Jewish by birth, but that does not mean you have ever been a jew. Think about it....
- I love how you skip GWB bus and his 1.5 Trillion dollar war in Iraq, his neutering of oversight on Wall Street, and his "stimulus" Ideas of sending everyone a 600 dollar check in the mail. I am sure he had nothing to do with any of this at all it's not like it happened on his watch or anything......
- The Dow is up, jobless rate is steady, and we have had 6 quarters of economic growth. It is more people shouting IT IS NOT GETTING BETTER ignorantly, because if people could be bothered to look at the evidence they will see it is.
- Actually if everyone pays their fair share, Insurance companies start selling in pools then by every estimate health care, and the price of health care will go down. The Republicans had a chance to get a say in the bill, and instead chose to act like 4th graders about it. If you take a broken system and fix it, it is not hard to believe it will be more efficient later.
- Christians are allowed their religion, that does not mean they are allowed to force their values on others. We do not live in a Theocracy, nor do we want to. Personally if "Christians" cant get over letting others have equal rights quack em as far as I am concerned. I dont care if their belief system says you can only have babies when married, people have babies out of wedlock all the time. 50 years ago they felt a tenant of their religion was not letting blacks pray in the same church. They were wrong then, and they are wrong now, maybe they wouldn't get "villainized" if they could stop acting like villains, and stop try to legislate their religious views on everyone else in the country.
- I am just not going to touch this one, my tinfoil hat is not tight enough at the moment.
-The POLITICAL term czar has been used by republican Presidents as well dating back to Nixon GWB bush had more than Obama did. To say he can not use the term because you think he is to leftist is pejorative and out and out stupid. The only reason it has ever been a issue is that republican commentators seized upon another chance to malign the man. Once again to people that cannot figure this out quack em.
Foreign law can be considered, it has always been that way. That does not mean a judge can base a decision on it, if his decision is not based in law it will be overturned by an appeals court. The Oklahoma law specifically was banned because, for instance the guy who sued was a muslim who had a will partially based on Islamic law, and he did not want it invalidated. That is the kind of consideration foreign law gets not condoning rape and murder. While we are on the subject there are 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS on this planet, most do not sit around raping and murdering or becoming terrorists. Most of that crap you cite can also be found in the bible, these books were written in different time. So you need to chill with the blood libel, and try and learn a bit about what you want to discuss. Your statement on the matter up there is disgusting, and bigoted I Would ask a mod to remove it, but I am hoping it will be left as a object lesson.
- I agree here to certain extent, though blaming the dems is stupid, they lowered taxes. If you are talking about the tax cuts for the top 1% expiring well quack em, I already paid for the top 1%'s bailout under the Republicans they can contribute back for awhile.
/rant
Last Edit: Nov 10, 2010 10:00:03 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
Unfortunately, the GOP is so good at staying on message that they will deny all culpability in anything negative that happens or continues to happen in the next two years. They'll still blame Obama. They'll still blame the Senate. They'll still blame the liberal media. They'll still blame renegade judges.
Worse yet, the Left is so bad at communicating their message that they'll get shouted down, out spent or too rational and nuanced to convince the public of the truth.
Fox News has a captive audience that accepts everything shoveled into their mouthes. They have been programed to believe that anything contrary to the Fox message is lies from biased liberal media and if they aren't lies, why bother to get the news that Fox is already giving them from another outlet? Their viewers are afraid. Afraid of a world that is leaving them behind.
They believe that the president is not a US citizen.
They believe that he is a Muslim.
They believe that the Obama administration is responsible for the recession.
They believe that things aren't improving.
They believe that Obamacare will force them to pay more for healthcare and will put people in prison for not having coverage.
They believe that gay marriage somehow diminishes their own.
They believe that there is a secret agenda to create one North American country called Amerimexicanada.
They believe that having positions in government called czars is evidence that the president wants us to be a communist nation.
My point? My point is that George W Bush was elected to a second term. In spite of the clusterf*ck around him, he was reelected. The Dems are that poorly run. They nominated a liberal democrat from Massachusetts to run against him. They could not articulate their message better than a man whose grasp of the English language would be laudable only if it was not his native tongue. They lost even though they nominated a war hero against a draft dodger with a NO NO WORD!!! history and an arrest for driving under the influence.
Don't bank on the pendulum swinging back. That movement is based on gravity and we know how the Right feels about science.
First and foremost, this is not a communication issue, it's a policy issue. People are upset about what they see happening to them...it's beyond a message and it's affecting people's lives. That's why the elections went the way they did. To your other points...
-there is a small group of loons who think Obama was born elsewhere...there is a slightly larger group of skeptics, who question his citizenship. These groups do not represent the majority of conservatives, so to say "they believe" is inaccurate
-Obama was raised as a Muslim. He chose to convert later in life (why don't you go listen to what his Christian preacher, Jeremiah Wright, has to say--he's about as crazy as they come!) So, while he may not be a practicing muslim, he was born a muslim and was raised with a muslim foundation. That foundation that we all have in one way or another sticks with us in some fashion throughout our lives.
-I don't think anyone thinks Obama is solely responsible for the mess we're in. I believe it was the Cllinton administration (with a Republican congress) when we started forcing lenders to give out more home loans, even to those who couldn't really afford them. The Wall Street guys we're betting both ways and getting super rich. It's really quite awful when you consider all t he factors leading up to the recession. Obama's problem is that he hasn't done anything to help--and no a stimulus package that creates to obscure research jobs at no-name colleges is not going to benefit the economy. We need businesses to creat jobs, not the government.
-People tend to believe what they can see. Most folks aren't seeing any improvement in their current situation, so yeah, of course they believe things aren't getting better.
-Obamacare will cost more. You cannot provide better coverage to more people for less money. Just can't happen, completely illogical.
-Keep in mind that many conservatives have some sort of Christian background (and don't vllanize them for it--it's weird how people act like the Christians are the evil ones...) A huge component of their belief system is procreation. That's something that's only supposed to occur in the sacred union of marriage, and can only happen between one man and one woman. So yes, for people who believe that marriage is sacred between man and woman, allowing same-sex marriage does diminish their own, it mocks it and disrespects it because gays simply can't do what straights can--reproduce!
-Oh, it's not the one N. American country that's worrisome, it's the New World Order! Get all the banks together with t he gov't--I've already heard some stories that Wall Street will be voting democratic next time around--and we're on our way. Europe has already paved the way w/the EU and single currency (an idea that again goes back to the bible)
-People associate the word czars with communist Russia. People are already worried about Obama's extreme left leanings. Really a poor choice to choose that word when, despite it's dictionary definition, has that negative stigma attached to it.
-I think you said something somewhere (sorry if it was someone else) about "They believe Sharia law is in place here"...let me tell you something. While it may not be in place right now, there is nothing to stop it from being considered. There is precedent for foreign law to be considered in US courts. Oklahoma passed an amendment prohibiting the consideration of Sharia Law in court decisions. A federal judge has since struck down this amendment, paving the way for other judges to consider a legal system which encourages rape and murder. Sadly, the idea of the government encourage rape really isn't all that far-fetched considering that if we refuse to enter the radiation chamber at the airport for a forced strip search, we TSA pervs sexually assaulting our women and molesting our children. So disgusting.
My point? The entire gov't is poorly run, on both sides of the aisle. It's bloated, oversized, overpowerful, and completely disconnected from the American people. The Dems seem to be worse with the massive spending and high taxes, but the Republicans are guilty too. We need real, meaningful change if we ever want to see what was once a great country step back on to t he right track.
*It it was all policy, and not any part of it communication why did 60% of conservatives believe on exit polls he had raised taxes instead of lowering them?
- There is a small group of loons who believe he was born elsewhere, they are called the Tea Party. As a whole 41 PERCENT or republicans believe it ( www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40644.html ), that is not a few it is a sizable percentage of people .
- Obama was raised as a Christian, while he did go to a madras in Indonesia his primary education was at a Catholic school. His mother raised him as a Christian, he never actively identified himself as a muslim, he never attended a mosque, he never said the daily prayers. You believing this is just another example of conservatives trying to change a narrative on a technical point. If your dad was Jewish, and your mom Christian then your dad left after you were born and your mom raised you as a christian, you are still technically Jewish by birth, but that does not mean you have ever been a jew. Think about it....
- I love how you skip GWB bus and his 1.5 Trillion dollar war in Iraq, his neutering of oversight on Wall Street, and his "stimulus" Ideas of sending everyone a 600 dollar check in the mail. I am sure he had nothing to do with any of this at all it's not like it happened on his watch or anything......
- The Dow is up, jobless rate is steady, and we have had 6 quarters of economic growth. It is more people shouting IT IS NOT GETTING BETTER ignorantly, because if people could be bothered to look at the evidence they will see it is.
- Actually if everyone pays their fair share, Insurance companies start selling in pools then by every estimate health care, and the price of health care will go down. The Republicans had a chance to get a say in the bill, and instead chose to act like 4th graders about it. If you take a broken system and fix it, it is not hard to believe it will be more efficient later.
- Christians are allowed their religion, that does not mean they are allowed to force their values on others. We do not live in a Theocracy, nor do we want to. Personally if "Christians" cant get over letting others have equal rights quack em as far as I am concerned. I dont care if their belief system says you can only have babies when married, people have babies out of wedlock all the time. 50 years ago they felt a tenant of their religion was not letting blacks pray in the same church. They were wrong then, and they are wrong now, maybe they wouldn't get "villainized" if they could stop acting like villains, and stop try to legislate their religious views on everyone else in the country.
- I am just not going to touch this one, my tinfoil hat is not tight enough at the moment.
-The POLITICAL term czar has been used by republican Presidents as well dating back to Nixon GWB bush had more than Obama did. To say he can not use the term because you think he is to leftist is pejorative and out and out stupid. The only reason it has ever been a issue is that republican commentators seized upon another chance to malign the man. Once again to people that cannot figure this out quack em.
Foreign law can be considered, it has always been that way. That does not mean a judge can base a decision on it, if his decision is not based in law it will be overturned by an appeals court. The Oklahoma law specifically was banned because, for instance the guy who sued was a muslim who had a will partially based on Islamic law, and he did not want it invalidated. That is the kind of consideration foreign law gets not condoning rape and murder. While we are on the subject there are 1.5 BILLION MUSLIMS on this planet, most do not sit around raping and murdering or becoming terrorists. Most of that crap you cite can also be found in the bible, these books were written in different time. So you need to chill with the blood libel, and try and learn a bit about what you want to discuss. Your statement on the matter up there is disgusting, and bigoted I Would ask a mod to remove it, but I am hoping it will be left as a object lesson.
- I agree here to certain extent, though blaming the dems is stupid, they lowered taxes. If you are talking about the tax cuts for the top 1% expiring well quack em, I already paid for the top 1%'s bailout under the Republicans they can contribute back for awhile.
I'm not scared, I'm realistic. I choose not to live my life with blinders and a complete, unquestioned faith in government. I'm self-reliant, I don't expect others to take care of me.
I'm also reminded why I stayed away from here for so long. It's an exclusive, snobby, left leaning crowd with no room for others' opinions or any open discussion. There is a double standard that if your views fall to the left, you don't need to back it up--or if you do, it's acceptable to use a biased news source. Of course, if I were to come on quoting Rasmussen polls, I would be ridiculed. You are quite an odd bunch here!!
I'm not scared, I'm realistic. I choose not to live my life with blinders and a complete, unquestioned faith in government. I'm self-reliant, I don't expect others to take care of me.
I'm also reminded why I stayed away from here for so long. It's an exclusive, snobby, left leaning crowd with no room for others' opinions or any open discussion. There is a double standard that if your views fall to the left, you don't need to back it up--or if you do, it's acceptable to use a biased news source. Of course, if I were to come on quoting Rasmussen polls, I would be ridiculed. You are quite an odd bunch here!!
I do find it a little odd that you have not logged on since what, Februaury??? and all of a sudden there is a thread discussing the darling mama grizzly of the loony right tea party crowd, and you come roaring out of the woodwork like a woman scorned.
Jesse was correct, you laid down a nice little right-leaning rant that convieniently left out anything to do with the 8 years of Bush and all the mess he created.
your correct, most of the users here lean left, but you gotta know that if you make a post such as yours, basically blaming everything on the Dems, and celebrating the rethugs, you are gonna get called on it. Your little disclaimer at the end, that both parties are responsible doesnt hold much water after you have written a book length post about how bad the Dems are.
I could go thorugh your post line by line and give you my opinion (yes that is what all of your post is, opinion) on each of those topics, but I dont really think it would do much good.
Once you got Fox in your ear, all logic, reason and factual statements go out the window!!!
I'm not scared, I'm realistic. I choose not to live my life with blinders and a complete, unquestioned faith in government. I'm self-reliant, I don't expect others to take care of me.
I'm also reminded why I stayed away from here for so long. It's an exclusive, snobby, left leaning crowd with no room for others' opinions or any open discussion. There is a double standard that if your views fall to the left, you don't need to back it up--or if you do, it's acceptable to use a biased news source. Of course, if I were to come on quoting Rasmussen polls, I would be ridiculed. You are quite an odd bunch here!!
Politico is not particularly left leaning, and I backed up everything I said. I am sorry that I do not agree with you, but please let me know where what I said was non factual. There is plenty of room for discourse here, but it works both ways. I am certainly allowed to challenge statements you make aren't I?
I'm not scared, I'm realistic. I choose not to live my life with blinders and a complete, unquestioned faith in government. I'm self-reliant, I don't expect others to take care of me.
I'm also reminded why I stayed away from here for so long. It's an exclusive, snobby, left leaning crowd with no room for others' opinions or any open discussion. There is a double standard that if your views fall to the left, you don't need to back it up--or if you do, it's acceptable to use a biased news source. Of course, if I were to come on quoting Rasmussen polls, I would be ridiculed. You are quite an odd bunch here!!
Also the fact that you support Christians being allowed to bring their religious views into legislation, and at the same time are scared muslims are going to do it speaks volumes about your hypocrisy.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Nov 10, 2010 12:25:07 GMT -5
I'm a Christian Republican, you can ask kdogg if you don't believe me, and that one world order rant sounded pretty crazy. There's definitely room for non-made up criticisms for Obama that are based in the policy realm, so next time I'd stick with that. Also how long until we can all just accept that W was a terrible president removed from the should-be center of the Republican movement.
Really? Cause according to your post you are scared of:
The way Obama's policy are affecting your life. Obama being born elsewhere Obama being a Muslim Jeremiah Wright The Clinton Admin The stimulus package (Bush started that one BTW) "Obamacare" "The" gays Same-Sex Marriage The New World Order Czars Commies Sharia Law Radiation Chambers Forced Strip Searches TSA Pervs
Did I miss anything?
The reason you get so much backlash is becasue your post sounds like a list of republican talking points. Its statements like this one:
We need real, meaningful change if we ever want to see what was once a great country step back on to t he right track.
Our once great country??? Come'on man! Back on the right track??? Really?
I'm not scared, I'm realistic. I choose not to live my life with blinders and a complete, unquestioned faith in government. I'm self-reliant, I don't expect others to take care of me.
I'm also reminded why I stayed away from here for so long. It's an exclusive, snobby, left leaning crowd with no room for others' opinions or any open discussion. There is a double standard that if your views fall to the left, you don't need to back it up--or if you do, it's acceptable to use a biased news source. Of course, if I were to come on quoting Rasmussen polls, I would be ridiculed. You are quite an odd bunch here!!
Also the fact that you support Christians being allowed to bring their religious views into legislation, and at the same time are scared muslims are going to do it speaks volumes about your hypocrisy.
because gays simply can't do what straights can--reproduce
I can not have children. Never could. So by your definition, I should not be able to get married.
I don't think anyone, but far lefts would agree otherwise.
Also if you don't want people to legislate what they believe, then vote them out. If there's something unconstitutional in any possible legislature, then it will be struck down soon enough.
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I can not have children. Never could. So by your definition, I should not be able to get married.
I don't think anyone, but far lefts would agree otherwise.
Also if you don't want people to legislate what they believe, then vote them out. If there's something unconstitutional in any possible legislature, then it will be struck down soon enough.
So by your definition we could legislate blacks to separate drinking fountains again, and it would be OK because people believe in it, and eventually the Supreme court might strike it down? Thats fine people can attempt it, but they better be prepared to listen to me calling them a bigot while they do it.
I don't think anyone, but far lefts would agree otherwise.
Also if you don't want people to legislate what they believe, then vote them out. If there's something unconstitutional in any possible legislature, then it will be struck down soon enough.
So by your definition we could legislate blacks to separate drinking fountains again, and it would be OK because people believe in it, and eventually the Supreme court might strike it down? Thats fine people can attempt it, but they better be prepared to listen to me calling them a bigot while they do it.
You could stop that law in court before it ever actually got enforced. Not to mention that's not anything close to a mandate of the people, and everyone that voted for that would be ousted the next election.
So by your definition we could legislate blacks to separate drinking fountains again, and it would be OK because people believe in it, and eventually the Supreme court might strike it down? Thats fine people can attempt it, but they better be prepared to listen to me calling them a bigot while they do it.
You could stop that law in court before it ever actually got enforced. Not to mention that's not anything close to a mandate of the people, and everyone that voted for that would be ousted the next election.
So your position is as long as majority of Americans want to be prejudicial against homosexuals that it is ok to pass laws that marginalize them, and deny them basic rights so that their Christian sensibilities are not sullied?
You could stop that law in court before it ever actually got enforced. Not to mention that's not anything close to a mandate of the people, and everyone that voted for that would be ousted the next election.
So your position is as long as majority of Americans want to be prejudicial against homosexuals that it is ok to pass laws that marginalize them, and deny them basic rights so that their Christian sensibilities are not sullied?
You could stop that law in court before it ever actually got enforced. Not to mention that's not anything close to a mandate of the people, and everyone that voted for that would be ousted the next election.
So your position is as long as majority of Americans want to be prejudicial against homosexuals that it is ok to pass laws that marginalize them, and deny them basic rights so that their Christian sensibilities are not sullied?
No I'd definitely make a 14th amendment argument against any such bill. I meant that first post on principle.
And as a Christian, I think the major thing Jesus would point to would be adding fighting poverty to the political agenda of Christians.
So your position is as long as majority of Americans want to be prejudicial against homosexuals that it is ok to pass laws that marginalize them, and deny them basic rights so that their Christian sensibilities are not sullied?
No I'd definitely make a 14th amendment argument against any such bill. I meant that first post on principle.
And as a Christian, I think the major thing Jesus would point to would be adding fighting poverty to the political agenda of Christians.
You dont think tolerance might be up there pretty high on ole JC's list?
So your position is as long as majority of Americans want to be prejudicial against homosexuals that it is ok to pass laws that marginalize them, and deny them basic rights so that their Christian sensibilities are not sullied?
No I'd definitely make a 14th amendment argument against any such bill. I meant that first post on principle.
And as a Christian, I think the major thing Jesus would point to would be adding fighting poverty to the political agenda of Christians.
Well at the moment 30+ states have those laws on the book, and so far nobody has overturned them. I do agree that Christians are good people and Churches are full of good people. I just think there has been a trend in the past ten years of Christians trying to legislate their morality onto the rest of America. Honestly at the moment that is a much bigger threat to our way of life than Sharia law ever thought about being.
I'm not scared, I'm realistic. I choose not to live my life with blinders and a complete, unquestioned faith in government. I'm self-reliant, I don't expect others to take care of me.
I'm also reminded why I stayed away from here for so long. It's an exclusive, snobby, left leaning crowd with no room for others' opinions or any open discussion. There is a double standard that if your views fall to the left, you don't need to back it up--or if you do, it's acceptable to use a biased news source. Of course, if I were to come on quoting Rasmussen polls, I would be ridiculed. You are quite an odd bunch here!!
I also am not scared, nor do I choose to live my life with blinders on. I am not affiliated with a political party because I think that the concept is counter-productive, though I tend to lean "left" on more issues. I DVR The Rachel Maddow Show, The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News Sunday, Meet The Press and the Daily Show. I do this because I want to be exposed to what's going on and not just see one side.
I'm not sure what you consider a biased news source. I'm assuming that you were alluding to Rasmussen's polls being biased, which is backed up here:
Since you feel the post you referenced needs citations, here goes:
Re: the President not being a US Citizen "Eighty-five percent of Democrats say that Obama was definitely or probably born in the U.S., compared to 68 percent of independents and 57 percent of Republicans. Twenty-seven percent of Republicans say he was probably not born here, and another 14 percent of Republicans say he was definitely not born in the U.S" politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/04/cnn-poll-quarter-doubt-president-was-born-in-u-s/
Re: the President being a Muslim "The belief that Obama is a Muslim has increased most sharply among Republicans (up 14 points since 2009), especially conservative Republicans (up 16 points). But the number of independents who say Obama is a Muslim has also increased significantly (up eight points). There has been little change in the number of Democrats who say Obama is a Muslim, but fewer Democrats today say he is a Christian (down nine points since 2009)." www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/19/obama-is-muslim-poll-says-that-more-people-believe-it/
Re: Obama's handling of the economy My statement was rather vague so I'll have to back it in two parts. First, public opinion: "Among Republicans (31% of adults registered to vote in the survey and 28% of all adults in the survey), 6% approve of the way Obama is handling his job and 88% disapprove. Among Democrats (33% of adults registered to vote in the survey and 30% of all adults in the survey), 77% approve and 17% disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job. Among independents (36% of adults registered to vote in the survey and 33% of all adults in the survey), 41% approve and 48% disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job as president." www.americanresearchgroup.com/economy/ Second, reality: "All told, the economy has added more than 1.1 million private-sector jobs in 2010. For comparison purposes, note that the economy lost nearly 4.7 million private-sector jobs in 2009, and lost 3.8 million in 2008." www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_11/026490.php
Re: Obamacare and prison "Earlier this week, Bill O'Reilly claimed, "[W]e researched to find out if anybody had ever said you are going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody has ever said it." Media Matters quickly responded, pointing out numerous occasions on which Fox News hosts had done just that. Even O'Reilly's colleague Neil Cavuto acknowledged the next day that "a number of Fox personalities" made the false claim." mediamatters.org/blog/201004160081
Re: Gay marriage "As has historically been the case on this issue, liberals are more likely to support same sex marriage. Sixty-nine percent support the idea, while conservatives generally favor either civil unions (28 percent) or no legal recognition (44 percent)." www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4972643-503544.html
Re: Amerimexicanada I used the wrong term here. I should've said "Mexamericanada"
Re: Czars "In the postwar era, the rise of the "czar" has accompanied the expanding role of the executive office in promoting policy initiatives; the term tends to be used when presidents create special new posts for the individuals charged with pushing those initiatives through. Nixon succumbed to czarmania, appointing the first "drug czar," Jerome Jaffe, in 1971 (long before William Bennett took the mantle in 1988)." www.slate.com/id/2207055/
Now that I have shown my work, I hope that you continue to be part of the discussion around here. There are a lot of gray areas in politics and discussion is good.