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Post by the3penguins on Apr 26, 2011 9:34:00 GMT -5
Very impressed with the lineup. Can't make Bonnaroo this year so this looks like the place for me. While Bonnaroo has more of my favorite bands, Lollapalooza has more of my favorite bands that I haven't seen live yet. For that, I actually prefer the short sets, get a taste of groups I've heard good things about. After attending my first SXSW this year, I'm very much in a see-bands-I-haven't-seen-before mindset, so I can't wait!
By your definition, is anything that has ever sold units "disposable commercial pop?" Because that seems to be the attitude you put forward here.
Did I write that? The standard defense of Em headlining is that he has great commercial success. I'm exposing the obvious flaw in that argument. If album sales are your standard then Celine Dion might as well be next year's headliner. I called him disposable commercial pop because that describes his music.
Post by macmusicjunkie on Apr 26, 2011 9:39:23 GMT -5
Oh man, they got Muse, DFA1979, & A perfect Circle. That's pretty awesome. Honestly, this is my order for the fest lineups this year (just the lineups...not the set times or lengths, location, curfew, ect)
I still honestly believe Bonnaroo dropped the best lineup this year. Not necessarily headliners (Hangout, Lolla, & Sasquatch has better top 4s in my opinion even though they share some names with each other and Bonnaroo). As a whole, Bonnaroo's lineup wins for me.
Post by mahimahi1414 on Apr 26, 2011 9:53:57 GMT -5
So does Lolla only have 5 "headliners" this year? They usually have six. The only time I can think of recently when they didn't was when they had Radiohead play unopposed. Does this mean it's going to be Em in an unopposed slot this year? And then I'd guess Coldplay v. MMJ and Muse v. Foo Fighters.
Post by the3penguins on Apr 26, 2011 10:06:36 GMT -5
^^^It says on the Lolla website Foos are slated to play Sunday. Due to conflicts at Kanrocksas, Em will not play Friday and Muse will not play Sat. For what it's worth, the message boards are leaning towards:
Friday: Coldplay vs Deadmau5 Saturday: Eminem vs My Morning Jacket Sunday: Foo Fighters vs Muse
I can explain it: he's a great MC who has garnered enough critical and commercial success over the last 15 years to the point where he's both one of the best selling artists of his generation and also still respected by his peers and those within his given genre of music.
And those things could also be said about Celine Dion. But, I expect something more in a Roo headliner than disposable commercial pop.
Personally, I don't think I would say Celine Dion is a great MC. But what do I know, I'm interested in disposable commercial pop.
Did I write that? The standard defense of Em headlining is that he has great commercial success. I'm exposing the obvious flaw in that argument. If album sales are your standard then Celine Dion might as well be next year's headliner. I called him disposable commercial pop because that describes his music.
So you're going to ignore the critical/artistic success as well? Because that was the whole point. I've never argued that album sales alone are the sole determining factor for Eminem headlining, and I don't think anyone anywhere would. In order to headline these types of festivals (Coachella, Bonnaroo, Lolla, ACL, etc.) you need a mix of critical/artistic success as well as commercial appeal and sales. That's why the Jonas Brothers don't headline Lolla (no critical/artistic appeal) and why neither does someone like Animal Collective (small, dedicated fanbase, loads of critical acclaim, not nearly big enough to justify it).
There aren't many artists who get big enough to justify a headlining slot who don't have mainstream success - it just doesn't happen that often. If a band has a fanbase big enough to command a headlining slot at a major music festival, that band probably has a good amount of commercial appeal. That's just logic.
Your argument that Eminem is "disposable commercial pop" seems to indicate that you just flat out don't like him. Even the most jaded hip-hop heads that I know recognize his place within the pantheon of that genre.
Out of curiosity, could you name me 10 realistic headliners for the various major American music festivals this year? Only bands that are actively touring, please. I'd like to see who exactly you think should be on stage in front of 80K at any one of these events.
I agree almost completely with this. I've never liked Eminem, but it's just dead wrong to say he hasn't had critical success. He makes perfect sense as a headliner.
Post by the3penguins on Apr 26, 2011 11:03:45 GMT -5
Plus, what we're ignoring: Eminem delivers a tight, solid, dependable show. Someone like Lil Wayne, who has a similar mix of critical and commercial appeal (not quite at Em's level, but close) just can't be counted on to deliver a headliner-worthy show. Like Jay-Z, Eminem's a known workhorse who will do what it takes to deliver an enjoyable performance.
This is just my opinion, but I've always thought Lollapalooza has always had the weakest, least creative lineups of the big four U.S. festivals (Lolla, ACL, Bonnaroo, Coachella). Lots of bands that tour a lot and/or are already playing other festivals.
Pitchfork is 1.) cheaper and 2.) has a better, more creative lineup. I definitely think it's the better of the two Chicago fests
Like I said though, this is just my opinion.
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They normally don't start selling those till around the last of june, first of july. Usually same day as when the schedule comes out. Last year our day passes were $90 a piece i think.
All in all a pretty good lineup. The top 4 lines are a little underwhelming for my tastes (with a few notable exceptions), but the undercard makes up for it.
Plus, what we're ignoring: Eminem delivers a tight, solid, dependable show. Someone like Lil Wayne, who has a similar mix of critical and commercial appeal (not quite at Em's level, but close) just can't be counted on to deliver a headliner-worthy show. Like Jay-Z, Eminem's a known workhorse who will do what it takes to deliver an enjoyable performance.
For what it's worth (please God don't let this turn into another thread about whether Lil' Wayne is any good or not), reports are that ever since Wayne got out of jail and is clean and sober (and being monitored to make sure of this), his shows have been tight, energetic, and awesome.
Interesting. I like Lil' Wayne, but have heard mixed things about his live shows. I may very well check him out, but being late night, it all depends on conflicts.
No line up this year has blown me away. Really they are all subjective to your own tastes. For value, Pitchfork is an amazing deal. I also feel that way about Waka, but again subjective. This line up does nothing for me. I chose the wakaroo over Coachella, largely because of my proximity to the two and the profit from flipping my passes. I'd say the only elite level for me was ATP NJ. Looking at the Kanrocksas or whatever as an example, festivals are now a dime a dozen. It will be interesting to see who is able to keep the line ups original in the coming years.
Post by klimfactor on Apr 26, 2011 13:10:07 GMT -5
I plan on going to Lolla one of these years. Based on this lineup, this won't be the one. There's a lot I like, but it just doesn't grab me and convince me to throw down for tics and a hotel.
^^^It says on the Lolla website Foos are slated to play Sunday. Due to conflicts at Kanrocksas, Em will not play Friday and Muse will not play Sat. For what it's worth, the message boards are leaning towards:
Friday: Coldplay vs Deadmau5 Saturday: Eminem vs My Morning Jacket Sunday: Foo Fighters vs Muse
Is DeadMau5 really big enough to have the spot that Arcade Fire had last year and KoL (I think) had in 2009? I'd guess 5 headliners before putting DeadMau5 in that level... but then again I don't know Lolla as well a their boardies probably.
Post by Chris Major on Apr 26, 2011 14:18:41 GMT -5
I live across the street from Grant Park. This line-up made me all giddy like a little kid. I've gone the past three years but none have compared to this. Last year was very meh in my opinion, and I got to attend all three days for free. After that I swore I wouldn't be spending the $215 again due to being spoiled. For this however, I would gladly pay the full ticket price. They surprised the shit out of me. I didn't think they would be able to put something together to rival Coachella and Bonnaroo this year but they have. It's a damn good year for live music.
^^^It says on the Lolla website Foos are slated to play Sunday. Due to conflicts at Kanrocksas, Em will not play Friday and Muse will not play Sat. For what it's worth, the message boards are leaning towards:
Friday: Coldplay vs Deadmau5 Saturday: Eminem vs My Morning Jacket Sunday: Foo Fighters vs Muse
Is DeadMau5 really big enough to have the spot that Arcade Fire had last year and KoL (I think) had in 2009? I'd guess 5 headliners before putting DeadMau5 in that level... but then again I don't know Lolla as well a their boardies probably.
Deadmau5 headlined Ultra and sells out big venues every time he plays Chicago. He's definitely gotten big enough. Also, Lolla is a VERY electronic-friendly crowd, hence the success of Perry's stage and the amount of EDM shows that constantly get booked in Chicago venues. I like that they are having an EDM sub-headliner this year. Way better than some washed up mainstream act like Greenday.
I like the Lolla lineup. But it feels like its almost a greatest hits of bands that will or have played at other festivals. The depth of the lineup is awesome IMO. But besides The Cars and Coldplay there aren't many bands that are original to this lineup. Like others have said though, this may have more to do with the expanding festival scene then booking on Lolla's part.
I also think Deadmau5 is a bit high on the list, but its better than seeing the usual electronic/DJ's (Girl Talk, Bassnectar, Pretty Lights) take top bill for that genre.
Post by Chris Major on Apr 26, 2011 14:32:00 GMT -5
I think it is the expanding festival scene. I mean there is a finite amount of big touring festival acts.
I know Lolla has somewhat shorter set times than Bonnaroo, but I dont see how they are going to fit all of that into 3 days, with only 10 hours per day available before the sound ordinance shuts the place down. I remember seeing last years line-up and thinking "uhh, thats it?" I mean it even looked sparse on the posters hung up around town. When I read this line-up from top to bottom I was like "WHOAAAAA WHEN IS IT GUNNA END?". Awesome.
I also think Deadmau5 is a bit high on the list, but its better than seeing the usual electronic/DJ's (Girl Talk, Bassnectar, Pretty Lights) take top bill for that genre.
Post by Laggy.RETURNS on Apr 26, 2011 15:06:56 GMT -5
I remember in past years, their headliners looked great but the undercard was worthless. This year the 2nd tier undercard is amazing. And I don't particularly love any of the headliners, but for my own personal taste they beat bonnaroo
Post by clevelndmike on Apr 26, 2011 15:17:42 GMT -5
Laggy, you're dead on. This is a great lineup. Just emailed the GF to tell her we're going....... There are way to many can't miss shows on that lineup to make up for the logisitics and short sets.
Bonnaroo 2008-2013
0ct 11 Pearl Jam
Oct 12 Pearl Jam
March 16 Arcade Fire
April 29 Arcade Fire
Sept 4 Wilco
Sept 9 The Hold Steady
Oct 16 Pearl Jam
Oct 17 Gaslight Anthem
I also think Deadmau5 is a bit high on the list, but its better than seeing the usual electronic/DJ's (Girl Talk, Bassnectar, Pretty Lights) take top bill for that genre.
No they're all just topping perry's stage
I know they are there, but I am saying I rather see Deadmau5 represent that genre as top billing than Girl Talk or some of the others that are going to be festival whores this year.
I usually hate on Deadmau5, but I do think it will be cool to see a big electronic act on one of the main stages. I'll probably catch the last half hour of his set.
Post by Chris Major on Apr 26, 2011 16:23:57 GMT -5
The formula for Lolla the past few years has been good headliners, weak undercard, and stacked Perry's stage. This year its the same but with an awesome undercard. Win.
