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Post by blueslikehail on Aug 6, 2011 13:50:37 GMT -5
go mr. forward and go wisconsin! can't wait to see how these recall elections turn out. they've certainly inspired a lot of folks here in ohio. we are going to overturn s.b. 5 by a landslide in november. it's so sad, one of the biggest tragedies is america is how the rich and corporations have turned unions into a bad thing and pitted middle class workers against other middle class worker. things have got to change.
go mr. forward and go wisconsin! can't wait to see how these recall elections turn out. they've certainly inspired a lot of folks here in ohio. we are going to overturn s.b. 5 by a landslide in november. it's so sad, one of the biggest tragedies is america is how the rich and corporations have turned unions into a bad thing and pitted middle class workers against other middle class worker. things have got to change.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
go mr. forward and go wisconsin! can't wait to see how these recall elections turn out. they've certainly inspired a lot of folks here in ohio. we are going to overturn s.b. 5 by a landslide in november.
I can't help but respond that inspiration goes all around. Solidarity forever, right? I could go on a really big rant here which would probably be a repeat of things I said before, but doing what we're doing here knowing that there's others far away willing to take up the same fight helps make doing so worth it. Thank you, Ohio. We're rooting for you up here, too.
it's so sad, one of the biggest tragedies is america is how the rich and corporations have turned unions into a bad thing and pitted middle class workers against other middle class worker. things have got to change.
Amen. When I did take a mic at the capitol protests, I didn't bring up the union in those couple minutes I spoke. I decried this for the fascism coming to America that it is. It's a corporate hijacking our democratic republic and it needs to be stopped. I think that is the underlying - and overarching - issue here. I feel that if we don't stand up to preserve and defend the American Dream now, it won't be there to defend for those who come after us.
New since I last posted: The mother of Nancy Nusbaum passed away yesterday with a funeral Monday. As a result of this, her debate with Sen. Robert Cowles scheduled for 10am Monday has been canceled. One of our candidates, Oshkosh deputy mayor Jess King, finds herself in a 2008 rematch with Sen. Randy Hopper. In that race, King lost by 163 votes, having lost a parent in the closing days of the campaign as well. Something like this happening can make the difference.
Can't believe I forgot: There are three or four national Tea Party groups sponsoring bus tours throughout the state to support Republican incumbents this weekend.
Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips from Tennessee had this to say about in response to Walker's reception at the state fair: A few days ago, Governor Walker showed up to open the state fair. This was not a political event. It is one of those ceremonial events that a governor is obligated to do. His remarks were not political and in fact, consisted mostly of saying, "I declare the state fair to be open." The Wisconsin Red shirts, the left's modern version of Brown shirts, were there to shout Walker down and generally ruin the fair for as many people as they could.
Yes, he did just compare us to Nazis for wearing Badger school colors.
The Tea Party Express was through here in March with Joe the Plumber. It made ten stops around the state, culminating in a Madison counter-rally. The Tea Party Express rented out part of a heated indoor exhibition hall. I read in a newspaper account its organizer claiming that the six hundred people at that rally was by far its biggest crowd in the state. In the meantime, there were a hundred thousand people over at the capitol out in the snow. All accounts I've seen of these tour stops suggest that this second round of bus tours is even less attended than the first.
We consider the Tea Party to be something like our rival gang, so this is good to hear as far as I'm concerned.
go mr. forward and go wisconsin! can't wait to see how these recall elections turn out. they've certainly inspired a lot of folks here in ohio. we are going to overturn s.b. 5 by a landslide in november. it's so sad, one of the biggest tragedies is america is how the rich and corporations have turned unions into a bad thing and pitted middle class workers against other middle class worker. things have got to change.
There were only a couple people in the office besides myself who'd seen Colbert's helpful rhyme, but those of us who had made sure everyone else saw the clip.
Something which escaped my last couple updates: Full article here: www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/126812103.html Republican state Sen. Dale Schultz said this week he was "decoyed" on Feb. 17 by Gov. Scott Walker into missing a key chance on the Senate floor to put in play a compromise on Walker's plan to eliminate most union bargaining for public employees.
A Walker spokesman confirmed that a meeting occurred that morning in the GOP governor's office amid a day of drama and chaos at the Capitol.
But the Walker aide and the top two Republican leaders in the Senate strongly denied that there was any intent or plan to lure Schultz into missing a vote in the Senate.
Schultz acknowledged that he had no proof of the governor's intent and that he didn't ask the Senate to reconsider its action later that day on Walker's budget-repair bill or use another opportunity the following week to introduce his amendment.
But he told the Journal Sentinel that he felt he was having some success getting members of the Senate Republican caucus to sign on to his compromise, in which he sought larger financial concessions from public employees but a two-year sunset on the limits to collective bargaining.
"You're damned right I think that's what they were doing," Schultz said of Walker's intent. "It's appalling to think about it."
With protesters swarming the Capitol that February day and Democratic senators secretly racing to Illinois to block a final Senate vote on the bill, Schultz said he was called into a 20- to 30-minute meeting in Walker's office around the Senate's 11 a.m. scheduled start time.
The Senate session started late at 11:28 a.m., but the preliminary vote took less than five minutes, with GOP lawmakers quickly voting to move the bill past the stage at which it could be amended. Schultz and all Democrats were absent.
Sen. Schultz was the only Republican to vote against the eventual measure during the absence of Democratic state senators.
I did, thanks. I actually linked footage from the same event, but that footage was much better. I used the footage taken by Art who runs the Sh*t Scott Walker is Doing to My State page on Facebook. I met him for the first time a week or two ago, and he was one of the ones I was with protesting Walker in Fort Atkinson last week along with Batman.
Anyone remember that map of all the recalls I put up a ways back? Someone stumbled upon it and linked it back from my account to our Democracy Addicts group. Small world?
This is the first time I have posted in this thread while wearing my Forward cheesehead.
It was day three of our big Get Out The Vote drive, and since I worked all weekend it was my first day. I stayed at the GOTV office until about 9:30 and made it to the tail end of the Ed Schultz Show taping on the capital square. On my way out, though, the most awesome thing happened.
I pulled up to a stop light on my way home, with the capitol three blocks to my back. I pulled up beside a car that had a triangular sign on top with anti-Walker messages on it. There's two guys inside. The driver gives the DemocraBeep. I give the DemocraBeep back. The passenger responded to my DemocraBeep with my car horn by pulling out his vuvuzela and DemocraBeeping back. I surprised both guys in the car by reaching into my back seat, pulling out my vuvuzela. I DemocraBeeped back on my vuvuzela. We all broke out laughing. Once I could finally speak, I said "Cheers!" and extended my vuvuzela. We clinked the brims of our vuvuzelas together as we would drinks. Still laughing, the driver gave the DemocraBeep again as we drove off. So did I.
It was a big day today. We had 100+ volunteers in for a shift. That's the most we've ever had. I also got to meet my sixth of the Wisconsin 14, Bob Jauch. He's been called the lion of the Wisconsin Senate. He was a good man.
I would love to go on in detail... but tomorrow could be one of the biggest days of my life and I'm looking at five hours of sleep as it is.
Oh, and by the way, an update on the stats... Posts: 379 Awesome Points: -396
Keep up the fight...in the end it will end up right. Why it is so hard for some people to see clearly what the right thing to do is and STILL resist it for what? Personal gratification, financial gain, infamy? IDK...but those are all superficial....what is truly right and good for the people will ALWAYS eventually win in the end!
Democrats were already crying foul in the Darling race, due to late returns in heavily Republican Waukesha County -- the same place where, during the April state Supreme Court race, the declared discovery of an election night computer error gave several thousand votes and a margin of victory to conservative Justice David Prosser.
Sen. Luther Olsen, one of the four Republicans who won, said he hoped the victories would "take the wind out of the recall for Walker, but I'm not sure."
Good luck taking the wind out of Mr. Forward. Can't be done. Keep up the fight K-dogg.
Post by chicagorooer on Aug 10, 2011 9:15:16 GMT -5
well I guess as the chicago cubs always say. There is always next year!. It was a hard fought recall but once again the great people of Wisconsin have spoken. They elected walker and have kept the majority in power with this recall.
This fight is over. The State of Wisconsin will be able to now move forward in a more economically resposible manner. The state services in the years to come will hopefully improve as new employees won't be forced to join a union that does little but collect union dues.
Mr forward I applaude the efforts. More people should be involved in the process no matter what side you stand on. I hope this has shown you that the vast majority of people in the state of wisconsin mean what they say and say what they mean
This process cost the state a LOT of money and didn't change anything politically. I conclude this has in deed made walker MORE credibile
Now I will figure out how to use this quote thing and post in music threads. good day
This fight is over. The State of Wisconsin will be able to now move forward in a more economically resposible manner. The state services in the years to come will hopefully improve as new employees won't be forced to join a union that does little but collect union dues.
This is incorrect, the fight isn't over until the Democrats give up completely, and I don't foresee that. Also, if labor unions did "little but collect union dues.", then it would make sense to me for the government to let the people have their unions. The governments want the unions gone because they cause trouble for the government and business owners.
Mr forward I applaude the efforts. More people should be involved in the process no matter what side you stand on. I hope this has shown you that the vast majority of people in the state of wisconsin mean what they say and say what they mean
I would wager that the recall elections had far fewer votes cast than the original elections. KDogg can probably spit out the numbers faster than I can find them, but I bet that the number of votes cast yesterday was atleast 25% less than the number of votes cast during the original election. If I am correct, this would imply that a great portion of the people of Wisconsin were either too lazy, too busy, or not inspired enough to get their asses out and vote.
This process cost the state a LOT of money and didn't change anything politically. I conclude this has in deed made walker MORE credibile
Your party losing two seats in the state senate makes you credible? Then by that logic, had the recalls been a sweeping success, then scott walker would have been the most credible politician since Abraham Lincoln!
Yes, I still disagree with union practices, just incase anyone was wondering
Yes, last night's scorecard for Democrats was 2-4*
I have issues with trusting any election in which Kathy Nickolaus is involved. There's just too much smoke for there not to be fire with her: the surprising discovery two days after the fact of just enough votes to win her former boss the supreme court election, her county's inclusion of middle-of-the-night tapes from March in official April election results, using an off-network personal computer for record-keeping as opposed to the way the other 71 counties in this state do it... and the fate of the decisive election was in her hands. Hence the giant asterisk on my scorecard.
These six districts which voted yesterday, they are some of the more reliably Republican districts in the state. Every one of the state senators who faced recall yesterday were elected in 2008, despite Barack Obama winning by a larger margin than John Kerry or Al Gore in the immediate preceding presidential elections. Speaking of turnout... the turnout for these elections neared that of the most recent presidential election. If I'm not mistaken, the lowest turnout in any of these districts was 45%. For a mid-summer, off-year, special election. That's impressive in its own right, and a credit to Wisconsinites of all political stripes.
We went into six Republican strongholds and flipped two of the seats. The balance of power in the Wisconsin Senate is going to be 17-16 in favor of Republicans now. Sen. Dale Schultz, the senator who's doing bipartisan district tours with a colleague and the one who was "decoyed" out of offering an alternative amendment on collective bargaining rights, is going to find himself with a lot more clout. As for recalling Scott Walker... we haven't given up yet. We turned the tide in 1/3 of solidly Republican districts; these six districts aren't representative of the state as a whole.
After the madness that was yesterday's GOTV effort, I went to the music venue for the official Democratic Party results-watching event. It was at capacity. Got to enjoy some out-of-office camaraderie with my office mates. I got to thank DJ Nick Nice for giving away vuvuzelas by the hundreds during the protests. I told you all earlier I had a feeling I hadn't seen the last of Bowzer from Sha Na Na; we had a better talk this time. My friend Phil was a working press photographer at the event and got a picture of us I suspect will be worth sharing.
I woke up, still drunk, on Phil's couch this morning. I haven't woken up drunk in a while. My shift at the office starts in an hour. It's going to be a rough day, but the fight's not over. We still have two Democratic senators defending their seats next week, and we owe it to them to fight for them as they fought for us. Solidarity.
Post by chicagorooer on Aug 10, 2011 11:35:34 GMT -5
Recall Chicagorooer! When his negative karma exceeds his post count, we'll throw the bum out. Smite early, smite often.
This just seems spitefull MR forward. I expected much more from you. You have been a good role model for kids that otherwise wouldn't care about the direction of their state. In the end you have a lot to learn about what people really want
The democrats that fled the state are in hot water next week. I highly doubt the turnout will be anything close to yesterdays
Recall Chicagorooer! When his negative karma exceeds his post count, we'll throw the bum out. Smite early, smite often.
This just seems spitefull MR forward. I expected much more from you. You have been a good role model for kids that otherwise wouldn't care about the direction of their state. In the end you have a lot to learn about what people really want
The democrats that fled the state are in hot water next week. I highly doubt the turnout will be anything close to yesterdays
stay classy.
Lol at you telling people to stay classy considering all you do is come on here to stir up shit. I am with Jhammet even if I agree with you the douchebag way you have of presenting your opinions makes me want to cut myself.
well I guess as the chicago cubs always say. There is always next year!. It was a hard fought recall but once again the great people of Wisconsin have spoken. They elected walker and have kept the majority in power with this recall.
This fight is over. The State of Wisconsin will be able to now move forward in a more economically resposible manner. The state services in the years to come will hopefully improve as new employees won't be forced to join a union that does little but collect union dues.
Mr forward I applaude the efforts. More people should be involved in the process no matter what side you stand on. I hope this has shown you that the vast majority of people in the state of wisconsin mean what they say and say what they mean
This process cost the state a LOT of money and didn't change anything politically. I conclude this has in deed made walker MORE credibile
Now I will figure out how to use this quote thing and post in music threads. good day
The recall election law in Wisconsin is that any politician that has served at least a year in office is up for recall. Those six who were brought up for recall elections had served their minimum one year. Next year Governor Walker and other State Reps and Senators will be the targets of recall elections.
Post by chicagorooer on Aug 10, 2011 16:32:49 GMT -5
It's over. Sure the SEIU will send their thugs in to keep things going but it's over except for next week when it's time for the state to recall the FLEEbaggers!!
I heard many pro-union supports state today. 35 million dollars and all we got was this purple shirt!!!
the genral election. the recall...both times the SEIU and their band of liberal thugs have been told by the people..step aside let walker conduct his business
Don't worry if walker fails then i am sure in a couple years in the general election he will be gone
If I was a union member and saw millions being spent on this I would be happier of it went towards my pension
It's over. Sure the SEIU will send their thugs in to keep things going but it's over except for next week when it's time for the state to recall the FLEEbaggers!!
I heard many pro-union supports state today. 35 million dollars and all we got was this purple shirt!!!
the genral election. the recall...both times the SEIU and their band of liberal thugs have been told by the people..step aside let walker conduct his business
Don't worry if walker fails then i am sure in a couple years in the general election he will be gone
If I was a union member and saw millions being spent on this I would be happier of it went towards my pension
Just for the record....are you saying you are Pro-Child Labor? Pro-Segregation, Pro-Wage, Age, Sex, Religious Discriminitation????
Because in addition to being the total waste of money that you generalize them to be, Unions have been a MAJOR force in trying to rectifiy MANY of the pre-mentioned horrible injustices. There are pros and cons to everything. You have to determine which outweighs which. Power begats corruption. Money begats more money. I'll take both exponentially before I will give up my right to vote, my right to a fair wage and my right to work!
