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Kdogg, I would be interested in what you think of the idea that bek was referring to Kel as the 7th suspect.
I think it's possible, but I haven't really seen anything that points to it besides yourself. The fact that she's been so quiet is unusual, and worth paying greater scrutiny to, though.
I do think Bek raised some red flag with the Mafia which got her killed, whether it was a mention of Kel or someone else. It might have been her vote for LLL. It might have been getting contentious with Bacon. It might have been something else. But it has to have been something... I'm curious what other red flags there would be aside from those? Without an alternative red flag she would've raised, I can't help but think it's got something to do with Bacon and/or LLL. Everyone who's died in this game thus far cast votes for LLL, for what that's worth. I'm starting to suspect those votes might be more of a reliable indicator than anything anyone said.
Also, NBF, the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking I should probably leave you alone. Part of me thinks that she died & I lived because I was misplacing my emphasis back there, and a lot of that goes back to my going after you. For that reason, I'm unilaterally laying off you unless and until I've got a new reason to suspect you.
Also, since I have seen it said from several (including myself) that it is unlikely for newer players to be given roles... When I thought of this, it got me wanting to go back and reread Mike D's explanation of his role assignment method. Here it is:
1) find a random number generator that allows any range of numbers.
2) list 1, 2, 3, for mafia, inspector, townie and list all players 1-11
3) put the range from 1 to 3
4) the number for mafia came up so I pick the three mafia first
5) first range is 1-11, generate number, that number is mafia, repeat with 1-10 and taking out the picked number and relisting the names, same order but without the drawn name, that number is mafia, repeat with 1-9, that person is mafia
6) range 1-2, for inspector or townie, generate number, inspector came up
7) range 1-8, generate number, that person is inspector
8) all remaining names are townie folk
bling bling, roles are assigned
Basically it was random selection for the order I picked the roles, the roles them selves, and who is that role, three dimensions of randomness. If that is not random enough for yall, then
Mike D is a good man, and thorough. At the very least, I would say his method is as well as mine - albeit conducted slightly differently. If Mike D used this method to give out roles, I think it is not only entirely possible but plausible that any given player could have any given role. I'm not so sure we should be just assuming that new players don't have roles. I think Mike D is practicing some solid randomization here. Just saying.
Everyone who's died in this game thus far cast votes for LLL, for what that's worth. I'm starting to suspect those votes might be more of a reliable indicator than anything anyone said.
Cheese and rice!! Motherquackin' backup! I'm going to try this again.
Actually Kdogg, there are only two players who have voted for me on their own accord, (meaning they were not forced to vote for me in a run-off between one other player, which gave them only one other choice). Those two players are Bacon and SFA.
Hmmmm. Coincidentally, there was a post deleted on the 29th in which a player came forward claiming to be the Inspector. This player implicated SFA and Higgi as definitely being Mafia. I am not going to name this player because if they truly are the Inspector, I want them on my side, the side of the townspeople, so I want them to stick around.
Upon reading previous games, I see that Mafia have claimed to be Inspector in the past. Therefore I realize that it is a very real possibility that the player is Mafia. If this player is not Mafia, then SFA, Higgi and _____<<<insert third name here, are. If this player was going to attempt a Mike D style trick, then the most likely Mafia are NBF, Kdogg and said player. I say NBF and Kdogg because the voting records show that these three players have voted in a way to benefit one another. Either one could also round out the SFA, Higgi combo.
Having worked this out in my head, it leads me to doubt that Bacon is suspect if said player really was Inspector. I say this because it wouldn't behoove Higgi and Bacon to be contributing to placing one another in a run-off at this point in the game. I do realize that Mafia have voted for one another before, and that seems a good strategy to shake townspeople off of the trail if they are collectively fingering both Mafia players. That isn't going on there.
Now, the fact that Kdogg and NBF both seem to be weaving a tapestry of suspicion around me causes me to think that there truly is collusion between the two.
Kdogg now makes me raise my brow higher as he admits that it is common practice to give new players the role of townspeople. And even though every Ref was supposedly using random methods, Mike D's random method is now somehow MORE random than every other Ref's. This sounds like framing to me.
What I could really use is some input from a fellow townsperson with some experience.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Hmmmm. Coincidentally, there was a post deleted on the 29th in which a player came forward claiming to be the Inspector. This player implicated SFA and Higgi as definitely being Mafia. I am not going to name this player because if they truly are the Inspector, I want them on my side, the side of the townspeople, so I want them to stick around.
Was it Noage??? I'm positive it was Noage.
Let's get the fake inspector stuff going right about now......
I'm not casting a vote. I won't be around until tomorrow evening. There are some shenanigans going on and I'm not going to let it go without having a word in.
Last Edit: May 2, 2011 3:50:20 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
I was kind of hoping no one saw that so I could stay hidden for another guess but since SFA probably did, I am the inspector and SFA and Higgi are mafia. That is the reason I voted Higgi into the runoff. Since he was going to kill Bacon (who is clearly innocent based on his vote), I decided to intervene. Not sure if this is the best strategy as inspector as this is only my third game (and 1st as inspector) but at least you guys get two of the mafia names.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on May 2, 2011 8:38:09 GMT -5
Sorry NoAge. I tried sitting on it first and then tried to be vague. I figured you must have wanted to go another round since you erased it. But I was being set up for the woo by KDogg especially, and by NBF, or so it seems. I was trying to keep you protected, and defend myself but still make sure that Mafia and not a townsperson got voted off for this run-off.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by NothingButFlowers on May 2, 2011 9:24:18 GMT -5
I have some questions before I vote.
Noage, if you are inspector, could you tell us how you got Higgi and SFA's names (as in, which one were you given, and which did you ask about)?
LLL, could you clarify how mine and kdogg's votes were made in a way to benefit each other? I could just as easily (if not more so) say that yours and Bacon's votes were made for each other's benefit.
SFA, why were you so sure it was noage who had posted that he was the inspector?
LLL, could you clarify how mine and kdogg's votes were made in a way to benefit each other? I could just as easily (if not more so) say that yours and Bacon's votes were made for each other's benefit.
This was in support of the theory that NoAge could have been Mafia feigning Inspector. However, I said it this way trying to be vague, I didn't want to call out NoAge if he were Inspector.
What I meant by benefiting each other was really that you three had never once made a vote that endangered any of the others. I didn't frame it that way because it seemed that Mafia would be able to figure out that it was NoAge I was speaking of.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
LLL, could you clarify how mine and kdogg's votes were made in a way to benefit each other? I could just as easily (if not more so) say that yours and Bacon's votes were made for each other's benefit.
This was in support of the theory that NoAge could have been Mafia feigning Inspector. However, I said it this way trying to be vague, I didn't want to call out NoAge if he were Inspector.
What I meant by benefiting each other was really that you three had never once made a vote that endangered any of the others. I didn't frame it that way because it seemed that Mafia would be able to figure out that it was NoAge I was speaking of.
Okay, but by that reasoning, I've also never made a vote that endangered nodepression, higgi, you, bacon, or SFA, and none of those people have ever made a vote that endangered me. (Well, except arguably nodepression, but that vote didn't directly endanger me, and some have argued that that vote was to protect me.) I've only voted for two people so far in this game, so it's a bit of a stretch to say that my vote has benefited any two other people, don't you think?
This was in support of the theory that NoAge could have been Mafia feigning Inspector. However, I said it this way trying to be vague, I didn't want to call out NoAge if he were Inspector.
What I meant by benefiting each other was really that you three had never once made a vote that endangered any of the others. I didn't frame it that way because it seemed that Mafia would be able to figure out that it was NoAge I was speaking of.
Okay, but by that reasoning, I've also never made a vote that endangered nodepression, higgi, you, bacon, or SFA, and none of those people have ever made a vote that endangered me. (Well, except arguably nodepression, but that vote didn't directly endanger me, and some have argued that that vote was to protect me.) I've only voted for two people so far in this game, so it's a bit of a stretch to say that my vote has benefited any two other people, don't you think?
I guess the reason I'm hung up on this is because I'm really not sure I'm buying that noage is the inspector. But I know I'm not working with noage, so my initial reaction was that this rubbed me the wrong way for you to suggest that this was a possibility. I guess your stance is that you believe that noage is the inspector, since you have voted for higgi.
Kdogg, I would be interested in what you think of the idea that bek was referring to Kel as the 7th suspect.
I think it's possible, but I haven't really seen anything that points to it besides yourself. The fact that she's been so quiet is unusual, and worth paying greater scrutiny to, though.
I do think Bek raised some red flag with the Mafia which got her killed, whether it was a mention of Kel or someone else. It might have been her vote for LLL. It might have been getting contentious with Bacon. It might have been something else. But it has to have been something... I'm curious what other red flags there would be aside from those? Without an alternative red flag she would've raised, I can't help but think it's got something to do with Bacon and/or LLL. Everyone who's died in this game thus far cast votes for LLL, for what that's worth. I'm starting to suspect those votes might be more of a reliable indicator than anything anyone said.
Also, NBF, the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking I should probably leave you alone. Part of me thinks that she died & I lived because I was misplacing my emphasis back there, and a lot of that goes back to my going after you. For that reason, I'm unilaterally laying off you unless and until I've got a new reason to suspect you.
Kdogg why don't you ask SFA and Higgi why they're so quiet? you are on my case about with NBF? when there's players with less and one more post than me, and you mention nothing of them.
for no particular reason I am voting JHamm.. for now.
I have some catching up to do... I'm in the middle of a move and still recovering from this Coachella sickness.
There is always one (sometimes more than one) Mafia member that plays the most unassuming role. They're job is to seem the most innocent and direct the least amount of suspicion (I played this role in the last mafia game). I was going to pick every quite player until I found the one that was playing that role. Higgi seemed to me that he was most trying to play it innocent and safe, so I guessed him.
So wow.... I toadally forgot that we were playing mafia until I went to bed last night. Sorry but I swear I'm not mafia so with that being said....
I don't think either one of these two are guilty. That is usually how it works the first round, two townspeople get set up so at least one if not two of the following people are mafia:
We are now in a runoff, a.k.a. a good ol fashion dual between JHam and LLL
I have carried over the previous votes, but you may change them at any time . . . any time . . . time is ticking . . . for someone
JHam - 2 LLL - 2
Votes
NBF >> JHam NoD >> JHam Bacon >> LLL SFA >> LLL
Left To Vote Higgi Jham LLL Kdogg Noage Bek Kel
And on that reasoning, I would assume that either NoD or SFA (is not both) are mafia bc they were the votes to put these peeps in the run off. Alternately, it could be NBF/NoD=mafia or Bacon/SFA=mafia but I think that would be too easy.
I also have an idea about another possible mafia member but it is too early to mention names until that person puts theirself out there a little more (or not at all).
BUT the fact of the matter remains that I HAVE to vote for jham or LLL and unfortunately due to my forgetfullness, I am now faced with the deciding vote which I absolutely loathe. I'm gonna do a little raw thinking out loud here, if you don't mind.
JHam - will buy me a corndog this weekend if I spare him... but I hate corndogs which is probably partially fueled by my great disdain for mustard. If I help to off him, he might really take me out in Memphis. Also, he is still new to mafia, this is only his second(?) game.
LLL - is hot... but all the pretty girls always get the breaks. However, my unmentioned possible mafia suspect voted for LLL and I don't necessarily want to vote WITH that person but said person may not even be mafia anyway. Additionally, this is her first game and in agreeance with kdogg, I would hate to see her go so early bc I like to see new people play and enjoy themselves and it also throws a curveball bc they are totally unpredictable and you will never know what their role is until the end.
Jham, I will spare you this round and you can keep your corndog but I will take a beer in honor of kdogg who will be at home(capital building)/work in Madison.
If Noage is mafia this would be the boldest strategy ever employed, I am certainly going with he is telling the truth
It seems pretty common now for a mafia member to "come out" as inspector. I seem to remember you doing it when we were mafia together in a previous game. How is this more bold than other games?
This was in support of the theory that NoAge could have been Mafia feigning Inspector. However, I said it this way trying to be vague, I didn't want to call out NoAge if he were Inspector.
What I meant by benefiting each other was really that you three had never once made a vote that endangered any of the others. I didn't frame it that way because it seemed that Mafia would be able to figure out that it was NoAge I was speaking of.
Okay, but by that reasoning, I've also never made a vote that endangered nodepression, higgi, you, bacon, or SFA, and none of those people have ever made a vote that endangered me. (Well, except arguably nodepression, but that vote didn't directly endanger me, and some have argued that that vote was to protect me.) I've only voted for two people so far in this game, so it's a bit of a stretch to say that my vote has benefited any two other people, don't you think?
I should also add that I looked at voting for now dead players.
Here are the players who have NOT voted for the two implicated Mafia (SFA/Higgi), and did vote for a now dead player.
NBF NoAge KDogg SFA NoD Higgi
Now it goes two ways. If Higgi and SFA are Mafia, then NoAge is not.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Bacon changing his vote without any real suspicion really bothers me, I don't know about anyone else. Bacon originally did the exact same thing that I did in my first game (voted for someone who already had a vote coming their way. I did this as a rookie mistake, and got killed off immediately. I doubt bacon did this as a rookie mistake, its possible, but not likely, and if it was a rookie mistake, I would imagine he would have changed it.
So anywho, we had 2 people stack votes, Bacon and NoD, and neither are in the runoff. NoD never wavering on his vote against me, (a vote with no merit, whatsoever), and bacon changing his vote last minute, to save LLL, both of these actions seem awfully fishy to me.
I can only hope that my fellow townspeople take this for what it is worth.
I don't think either one of these two are guilty. That is usually how it works the first round, two townspeople get set up so at least one if not two of the following people are mafia:
NBF NoD Bacon SFA
Both players who died both mentioned both Bacon & nodepression.
I think we would be failing as Townspeople to have a vote where both of these two are not the leading candidates.
Who's with me?
Kdogg why don't you mention SFA? if you're going to be on my case about being quiet. I'm going to wonder why you never mention SFA or Higgi as being possible Mafia. and you're so trusting of NBF. is it because you don't want her looking too much into your post and tearing them apart? so you put your fake trust into her, so you can buy time or a round to live. just curious.
edit: or you could be working with NBF. I just find it awfully odd, esp this post right here.
Kdogg, I would be interested in what you think of the idea that bek was referring to Kel as the 7th suspect.
Also, NBF, the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking I should probably leave you alone. Part of me thinks that she died & I lived because I was misplacing my emphasis back there, and a lot of that goes back to my going after you. For that reason, I'm unilaterally laying off you unless and until I've got a new reason to suspect you.
If Noage is mafia this would be the boldest strategy ever employed, I am certainly going with he is telling the truth
It seems pretty common now for a mafia member to "come out" as inspector. I seem to remember you doing it when we were mafia together in a previous game. How is this more bold than other games?
Yes I have but like pretty much every other time I did it after I had been pinned down by the real inspector. I have been playing for a while now and I have never seen a mafia claim to be inspector this early.
Also I should add that I played as mafia with noage last game and he was a much more conservative style player than I am. The majority of our conversations involved something like this
Me: Let's do this crazy plan that might work or it might fuck us over Noage: Are you sure thats a good idea we could do this other thing that is way safer
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on May 2, 2011 10:41:33 GMT -5
Now if NoAge is lying, we have to break it down differently. Now we nix everyone who voted for a now dead member, and who voted for NoAge. And we take off SFA and Higgi.
NBF NoAge KDogg LLL Bacon Kel
NBF voted for Kel, Kel for NBF. I assume Mafia isn't going to vote for Mafia yet, so one of you has to go. NBF is the only one of the two who voted for a now dead player.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Sorry, on my phone this post. Waiting up to meet peeps from my other board in Milwaukee for brewery tour today. Qs/comments for all.
@nbf: you know I am trusting you more the longer we have these talks, right? I mean, look. Here we are, Day Two near vote close, and I feel somewhat dissuaded from my earlier No–name paranoia.
@ Kel: You are strangely quiet, especially given that you're usually posting the post counts for a Mafia thread. Just satin.
@ Higgi: when are you going to have regular internet agaain?
@ Bacon: Still curious about you/NBF stacking on Higgi/Kel & curious to hear your side.
@ SFA: Your guess as to Bek's "7th player" identity voting LLL, as has been postulated?
@ noage: do you think Bacon's vote change last round was suspicious?
@ NoD: there oughta be a Heckler role just for you.
@ LLL: Why did Bacon save you? Or was that killing JHam instead?
I think that we need to bring this up again. Kdogg's easy question to Higgi becomes even more suspicious.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on May 2, 2011 10:45:06 GMT -5
For what it is worth. KDogg is higher on my list at this point because of how hard he is coming down on me.
I assumed that Mafia isn't going to vote for Mafia. I also assume that Mafia will have voted for a now dead player. I am not counting the first run-off because neither of us were implicated by NoAge, but Higgi was. I could also say no run-offs count at all since you only have two choices, you have to vote for only one of the two. In that case NoD stays in as a possibility with the first theory. But I really doubt he is.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
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