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this is interesting.. a last minute swoop to throw me into a runoff. could it be you and Bacon are working together?
did anyone else notice this?
I don't feel like voting someone off because of one persons vote is the way to go this early in the game. I picked you because you were the one person voting that way.
My vote for Bacon was simply a reciprocate of his vote for me. Also, I feel there are other players that would be more productive to see in a runoff than myself.
This also seems to support my thoughts of you and Bacon working together. This would be the third post where you've either directly or indirectly defended him...
Sorry, on my phone this post. Waiting up to meet peeps from my other board in Milwaukee for brewery tour today. Qs/comments for all.
@nbf: you know I am trusting you more the longer we have these talks, right? I mean, look. Here we are, Day Two near vote close, and I feel somewhat dissuaded from my earlier No–name paranoia.
@ Kel: You are strangely quiet, especially given that you're usually posting the post counts for a Mafia thread. Just satin.
@ Higgi: when are you going to have regular internet agaain?
@ Bacon: Still curious about you/NBF stacking on Higgi/Kel & curious to hear your side.
@ SFA: Your guess as to Bek's "7th player" identity voting LLL, as has been postulated?
@ noage: do you think Bacon's vote change last round was suspicious?
@ NoD: there oughta be a Heckler role just for you.
@ LLL: Why did Bacon save you? Or was that killing JHam instead?
I will have regular internet during the work week. I moved to a new house and have yet to get it set up. Hopefully mid next week I will be back up and running.
As the sun starts to set on Friday at Bonnaroo, the townspeople have not come to a clear conclusion. We are now in a run-off between Higgi and Bacon. One of these members will not make it to the What Stage headliner with his head still in tact. Votes for those players have been carried over, but can be changed at any time.
This round will end over the weekend if all players have voted and discussion has ended. If it carries over to next week, Monday night at midnight central time will be the deadline, keyword DEAD. Its almost time to slaughter another smiley . . .
I will have regular internet during the work week. I moved to a new house and have yet to get it set up. Hopefully mid next week I will be back up and running.
@ noage: do you think Bacon's vote change last round was suspicious?
Yes, I absolutely do, but I don't feel like it would do anyone any good to have someone voted off by just one player. If higgi is mafia, that would have been a really easy kill and would have not looked too suspicious since bacon did randomly vote for him.
@ noage: do you think Bacon's vote change last round was suspicious?
Yes, I absolutely do, but I don't feel like it would do anyone any good to have someone voted off by just one player. If higgi is mafia, that would have been a really easy kill and would have not looked too suspicious since bacon did randomly vote for him.
I thought that vote change was suspicious, too. I think Bacon's vote change was a bit suspicious myself, so I hope you can understand why you look second-hand suspicious for endorsing his vote change by association. I'm not confidently saying you guys are partners in crime, but you two definitely have the market cornered on suspicious, last-minute vote changes.
You talk about Bacon's vote being random as if it were a known fact. I'm not so sure about that; I think there could be underlying agendas at work here. The Bacon >> Higgi & NBF >> Kel situation looks weird to me. The Bacon vote for Higgi, as a lone isolated vote, could well be random. But then the next vote cast (they cast votes #1@2) was for Higgi's traditional vote buddy, it aroused my suspicions a little bit more. It's not like this is something Bacon or NBF could write off as a rookie mistake. It sure doesn't alleviate my suspicions to think that Bacon switched his Day One vote to be on the same side as NBF. I'm not saying that situation makes them necessarily guilty, but I think it's easily understandable why this could appear suspicious. I don't discount that it could be random, but nor do I consider random to be the only viable explanation. It's just that the more question marks I see around a situation, the less likely I am to write it off as "random" or "coincidence."
Higgi's argument for himself is more straightforward:
I understand that. I think all nine of us understand that, and would do the same thing. It's not as if Higgi chose to get into this situation... Bacon made that decision for him. NBF made the same decision for Kel, and Kel opted to vote NBF instead of the usual Higgi.
Let's think about the alternative, where Kel & Higgi stick to their votes but every other vote stays the same: Bacon >> Higgi NBF >> Kel Higgi >> Kel Kel >> Higgi
We'd be sitting here debating a Higgi vs. Kel runoff instead. I have said it before, and I guess I have to say it again: Action in the interest of self-preservation does not always mean evil is afoot.
Can we revisit for a moment the players Bek called out as suspicious shortly before she died, as having potentially engaged in forcing Townspeople into a runoff?
I don't think either one of these two are guilty. That is usually how it works the first round, two townspeople get set up so at least one if not two of the following people are mafia:
NBF NoD Bacon SFA
Emphasis mine.
Why the emphasis?
Bek pointed out that she thought two Townspeople were getting set up, and that she thought Mafia was behind it. Bek was calling out that behavior in Day One; Bek died Night One. Two of the four people Bek called out for doing this in Day One are doing this again on Day Two. We can't say we weren't warned about this happening in hindsight, so I think we had better act on it while we've got the chance.
The way I see it, there is one candidate in this runoff who was called out by both players who have already died. We know with reasonable certainty that Bek was innocent - and JHammett's suspicions about Bacon agree with innocent Bek's.
I think we should see to it that JHam and Bek did not die in vain, and cast our votes for Bacon.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Apr 30, 2011 8:25:44 GMT -5
Kdogg, it really, really irks me that you seem to be trying to recruit people to your way of thinking and convince us to vote with you (i.e. saying you think we should cast our votes with bacon) rather than presenting your ideas and looking for feedback. It's not necessarily that it makes you guilty because I think you do this when you are not mafia as well as when you are, but I certainly don't think it makes you seem innocent because it makes me feel like you already have your mind made up and you have decided that anybody who dares to disagree with you must be mafia. Just an observation.
I feel like I should say once again with regard to the bacon/higgi/me/Kel vote, I was not concerned about bacon voting for higgi because I was voting Kel anyway because of my own suspicions. I still don't believe the voting partners thing survives into round two. The fact that bacon says he voted higgi totally randomly and has no suspicion of him at all seems a little odd to me. It seems like by round two, we should be having some suspicions and starting to act on them, not just randomly voting.
I need more time to think about this. I've got lunch with old friends and my mom's birthday dinner today, so it likely will be late tonight or maybe tomorrow before I have time to think about mafia again.
While I certainly think this is a relevant point and that we should take it into consideration, don't we also need to consider the fact that the mafia also wants to mislead us with the first kill. The way I see it, there are two reasons to kill a person night 1: mafia thinks the person might be inspector and wants to get rid of her right away, or the person said some things that the mafia can use to mislead people by killing her. So, while I agree that we should look at both Bacon and nodepression, I also think we should not discount other potential mafia just based on what Bek said.
Can I amend/expand your reasoning on the not-Inspector side of that "or"? It's not just things the person says; it's votes they cast. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've been in Mafias (Mafii?) where we had no clue who Inspector was and whacked a Townsperson whose votes couldn't be tied us. Misleading because of statements and because of votes aren't quite the same. Seems to me one of them is a sin of commission and the other is a sin of omission. Either makes for a valid motive, so we shouldn't exclude one from consideration.
Now, the players I have seen Bek call out, either via her posts* or her votes^: NBF* NoD* Bacon* SFA* LLL^ kdogg^
Altogether, she's called out at least half of her fellow players. I've reread the game since they both wound up dead, giving greater scrutiny to what they've been saying. Especially Bek, who we can be even more certain is innocent than JHam, who is probably also innocent.
So I've looked over JHam's posts too. Players JHam mentioned* or voted^ for: nodepression* SFA* Bacon* NBF^ LLL^
The sum of both dead player's suspicions: LLL: 2 votes (both during runoff) NBF: 1 vote, 1 mention (two if you count JHam claiming "random voting") Bacon: 2 mentions NoD: 2 mentions (three, counting Bek's astonishment he is playing) SFA: 2 mentions kdogg: 1 vote
Two players calling out a sum total of six players. That's eight players involved in this. To say the Mafia is not involved with this is to imply that our Mafia is the three unmentioned players: Higgi, Kel & noage. I'm not saying that's impossible, but at this point I think it's highly unlikely. As such, I'm saying it is more likely Bek was whacked not because she led people off-track, but because she was on the way toward leading people down the right track.
A few other things I found worth noting: JHammett claimed he thought whoever died would be whacked, for what that's worth. It was Bek instead.
Bek agreed with me about going after those who sent JHam/LLL into the runoff. The players who sent those two (NBF, NoD, Bacon, SFA) also happen to be the names Bek called out before she got whacked. I think there might be something to that.
I think I am pursuing that end by advocating for a NoD-Bacon runoff. I find NoD/NBF about equally suspicious, and I find Bacon more suspicious than SFA. I would also be fine, to a lesser extent, with sending NBF & SFA into a runoff instead. However, I can't ignore the overlap in what both dead players said. I think something happening twice makes it less likely to be coincidence than something happening once.
The way I see things, NoD & NBF are more likely to have the same role than Bacon & SFA. I can't separate NBF's innocence/guilt from NoD's at this point; at the very least I admit the possibility they both look innocent because of NoD's rookie faux pas. It's different when I look at SFA & Bacon. The prior voting arrangement between LLL & SFA at least explains why SFA has been voting as he did. Bacon, on the other hand, his behavior has raised more flags with me than just about any player in this game - reasons I outlined in my vote for him. I have greater uncertainty about him as the game progresses, not less. I'm not saying 100% of my suspicions are correct... but I'm saying that I'm noticing more reasons to suspect Bacon than I am noticing to suspect any other player in this game. He could be innocent for all I know, but I'll be damned if he doesn't look suspicious in the process.
With all that said, my vote is currently for Bacon but I've got open ears to other reasoning.
(Edited to strike out a redundancy.)
Townspeople, I would appreciate some feedback on this post in particular. Is there anything in this post that seems especially misguided or logically offensive?
Two questions on which I would appreciated feedback from my fellow players: If Bek or JHam could vote from beyond the grave, for whom would they be voting this round? Which player's statements seem to agree most with statements and votes made by the dead players, particularly those killed in Night rounds?
Question for NBF: could you pretty please with a cherry on top show me a statement/vote, made at any point in this game, in which a dead player makes you look innocent rather than suspicious? I would especially appreciate your feedback on this.
@ SFA: Your guess as to Bek's "7th player" identity voting LLL, as has been postulated?
Well after rereading Bek's post, maybe it wasn't as obvious as I thought it was but I'm pretty sure she was referring to Kel. Not that it necessarily means anything:
-She was probable thinking along the same lines of what you and NBF have pointing out... her absence in the game.
-The Mafia might have thought Bek was referring to someone else and killed her thinking she was the inspector, along with possible calling out other players.
-Bek could have been way off the mark and we won't really know until the end of the game.
I've reread Bek's posts too, spent a good bit of time during the pizza delivering pondering this game in general and her part more particularly.
Here is the complete, unabridged Superbek. I will try to keep my end commentary brief and more likely to foster discussion than some of my posting thus far.
I have my eye on that and other developing situations at the moment. I was in the neighborhood of correct by the end of the first round last time, because I wound up getting whacked on Night One. I'm not looking to repeat that scenario, so I'm not naming any names here.
Except my voting partner, Bek. I'm taking a moment to talk directly with you here. There are some things upon which I feel we agree, and I want to discuss those.
One: I don't know if I can trust you. You don't know if you can trust me. That still goes whether we make this deal or not. Two: Day One is presently heading toward a two-player runoff. I am of the belief that more players in an early runoff are more beneficial to the Townspeople later on. I believe you believe the same.
As such, I invite you to join me in expanding the runoff field. I don't care how, I don't care who. As I said, I'm not naming any other specific players in this post - I'm looking at criteria, not behavior here. (At this point in the game, at least.)
There's two ways we can go about it. In explaining them both, I'm going to assume that outstanding voters return votes cast against them. Our tally looks something like: A & B: 2 votes CDEFGHI: 1 vote J & K: 0 votes With just two going into the runoff.
I propose we use our votes not to cancel each other's out for round two of voting, but to expand the field during round one. I have three ways we could go about this:
1. Stack our votes with another reciprocating pair with one vote apiece. Our votes still oppose each other, and we expand the runoff. As it stands, there's only one pair for which we could do this and send both into the runoff - and that's an anticipated reciprocation for now. 2. Cast opposing votes along with the runoff candidates. If we do this, we can also send the people voting them into the runoff along with them. Similar to option 1, but I think it narrows the field to players involved in sending A & B into the runoff. If we're looking into that situation, let's go all-in. I think those four involved in a runoff together would be more informative than the current two plus two not involved in the situation. 3. You & I join together and both vote for a player who has currently received zero votes, most likely making a 3way runoff instead of 4way. Basically, we'd shove someone from the shadows into the light. It's riskier and doesn't expand the field as much, but it's an option.
I'm trying to look at What's rather than Who's for now. I've got to go to work now, but I'm willing to discuss it further. Of course, if the voting landscape changes this might not work at all. Whatever the case may be, I do not think two players entering the initial runoff is enough. Let me know what you think and what - if anything - we should do about that.
So wow.... I toadally forgot that we were playing mafia until I went to bed last night. Sorry but I swear I'm not mafia so with that being said....
I don't think either one of these two are guilty. That is usually how it works the first round, two townspeople get set up so at least one if not two of the following people are mafia:
We are now in a runoff, a.k.a. a good ol fashion dual between JHam and LLL
I have carried over the previous votes, but you may change them at any time . . . any time . . . time is ticking . . . for someone
JHam - 2 LLL - 2
Votes
NBF >> JHam NoD >> JHam Bacon >> LLL SFA >> LLL
Left To Vote Higgi Jham LLL Kdogg Noage Bek Kel
And on that reasoning, I would assume that either NoD or SFA (is not both) are mafia bc they were the votes to put these peeps in the run off. Alternately, it could be NBF/NoD=mafia or Bacon/SFA=mafia but I think that would be too easy.
I also have an idea about another possible mafia member but it is too early to mention names until that person puts theirself out there a little more (or not at all).
BUT the fact of the matter remains that I HAVE to vote for jham or LLL and unfortunately due to my forgetfullness, I am now faced with the deciding vote which I absolutely loathe. I'm gonna do a little raw thinking out loud here, if you don't mind.
JHam - will buy me a corndog this weekend if I spare him... but I hate corndogs which is probably partially fueled by my great disdain for mustard. If I help to off him, he might really take me out in Memphis. Also, he is still new to mafia, this is only his second(?) game.
LLL - is hot... but all the pretty girls always get the breaks. However, my unmentioned possible mafia suspect voted for LLL and I don't necessarily want to vote WITH that person but said person may not even be mafia anyway. Additionally, this is her first game and in agreeance with kdogg, I would hate to see her go so early bc I like to see new people play and enjoy themselves and it also throws a curveball bc they are totally unpredictable and you will never know what their role is until the end.
Jham, I will spare you this round and you can keep your corndog but I will take a beer in honor of kdogg who will be at home(capital building)/work in Madison.
My decision for changing my vote is this, if i didn't i was letting somebody who could possibly be mafia have the deciding vote. If I changed my vote I was 100% sure a towny had the decision.
I have used this strategy in the past.
So why wouldn't you just vote for jham to begin with if you plan to save him? Or wait to be the last to vote?
Also, you might know you're a townsperson, but we don't so why would you basically tie a noose around your neck?
Not that I'm complaining because I def did NOT want the deciding vote but just saying.... there are holes in your explanation imo. I mean, you do realize that you are the very reason LLL is in the run off to begin with, right?
Well my original vote for LLL was completely random and I probably wouldn't have voted for LLL had I remembered the voting arrangement LLL made. After it happened though I saw no reason to change. Now I do.
Also I think I have a pretty consistent record of doing something that makes me look suspicious in the first round.
1. Superbek: I think your explanation about forgetting the game is a wee bit lame, and your remembering just in time to cast the last runoff vote is mighty convenient, especially since by the time you cast that vote, Bacon had changed and you didn't even have to cast the deciding vote.
I hear what you're saying and understand your suspicion but... you're wrong this time babe.
I rarely point things out in the first round unless they strike me as odd and this time it did. Bottom line is at least one of the vote stackers is a mafia member, would I have pointed that out if I was in fact a mafia member?
Also, I'm going to Memphis this weekend in case y'all missed the memo earlier... be back Tuesday.
All gaming aside, NBF can we PLEASE do lunch or drinks or something the next time you're in town? k thanx
Just wondering if everyone's seeing what I'm seeing here... Is it just me, or were Bek & Bacon getting a bit contentious there before she died? Is it just me, or do these posts venture a bit further into LLL territory than the Townspeople collectively have thus far?
Is there anything else the rest of you are seeing in Bek's comments that I'm missing?
@ LLL: Why did Bacon save you? Or was that killing JHam instead?
You've got me! I'm not really sure, but it is purely innocent, or not innocent at all. (duh). See below.
Suspicious players, listed in order of greatest to least.
1)SFA 2)Bacon 3)Higgi 4) NBF 5) NoD
I say SFA with very personal reasons behind. This mofo has been hounding me for months to play Mafia. "You should play Mafia" this, "Hey you'd really like Mafia" that. Then he goes and puts me in a run-off? He told me before the game to not worry, that new players are generally given the role of townspeople so that they can get into the groove of the game. So he KNOWS I'm a townsperson. I was an easy kill. However, he also knows that I work over 60 hours a week and have two kids to take care of. I don't have a whole lot of free time on my hands. If I didn't make it past the first round, I would likely never play again. I lose interest in things very easily unless I get hooked on them. So why didn't he take me out of the run-off?
This leads me to Bacon. While I appreciate the save, I almost feel like this could be SFA influencing his fellow Mafia to get me past the first round. Perhaps he felt that it would have made him look suspicious, because anyone changing their vote from Jham to me automatically looks suspicious. But my voting partner would perhaps look more so? I'm not sure how this all works yet, I'm simply surmising.
Higgi because he is very quiet for a veteran player, and because of something that I may or may not have hallucinated that occured on page 6. Which also confirms my suspicion of SFA. I know it was there, but now it is not and I know that SOMEONE will know what I am talking about.
NBF and NoD for the same reasons that have already been stated by other players.
LLL>>>>Higgi
EDIT I should change the order of Higgi and Bacon in my list. But I'm too lazy to do that much work.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by NothingButFlowers on May 1, 2011 9:17:33 GMT -5
Kdogg, regarding your question for me, unless they were mafia, neither of the dead players had any k owledge of my innocence, so I would not have expected them to say anything that makes me seem innocent.
Regarding your theory that nodepression and I have the same role, if nodepression and I were both mafia, there is no way in he'll that I would have told him to vote for jhammett instead of reciprocating noage's vote. I've played enough mafia games to know that jhammett's one vote against me did not put me in serious danger of being killed and to know that by voting for jhammett, nodepression would be drawing attention to himself and me. In fact, I could turn that theory around on you and suggest that if nodepression in mafia, perhaps someone coached him to vote the way he did so that it would draw attention to me. Also, that way, if I got killed by mafia in the night, you could refer back to your previous argument that nodepression and I had the same role in order to convince people that he is innocent.
That said, and as much as I hate to agree with you, I do think you might be on to something with the LLL thing.
LLL, I don't think I quite understand your reasons for being suspicious of SFA. First, you suggest he voted for you because he thought you'd be an easy kill. But (and I recognize that you wouldn't necessarily know this) mafia usually like to keep around the more inexperienced players precisely because of that lack of experience. Moreover, you then turn around and say that maybe he got fellow mafia member bacon to change his vote and save you, apparently because SFA got worried that you would not play any more if you died on round 1. But then why the vote for an easy kill in the first place? And really, it wouldn't have seemed that suspicious for SFA to have changed his vote to save you had he explained those very reasons. Actually, though, what I do find interesting is that SFA didn't change his vote to jhammett in the runoff. I'm not entirely sure what to make of that. I kind of would have expected him to change given that he initially voted you because of prior agreement and I would have thought that he would not have wanted to dissuade you from later games.
LLL, I am also unclear on why you moved higgi up as mote suspicious than bacon. If you were truly most suspicious of SFA for your stated reasons, I could see why you'd be suspicious of bacon in connection with SFA. But with higgi, your stated reasons wee that he's been quiet for a veteran (true, and I've seen higgi in particular hang back from discussion he was mafia, but Kel has been super super quiet as well, and she wasn't on your list) and something that someone apparently said and deleted. I don't think I know what you are referring to, so I can't comment on the substance of that suspicion, although I will say that deleting posts can, by itself appear very suspicious. Because I didn't see the post or who posted it, it's hard for me to understand why it made higgi more suspicious in your eyes so your vote for him seems a little odd to me now.
I'll vote soon. I still want to think a little more before I do.
Sorry, on my phone this post. Waiting up to meet peeps from my other board in Milwaukee for brewery tour today. Qs/comments for all.
@nbf: you know I am trusting you more the longer we have these talks, right? I mean, look. Here we are, Day Two near vote close, and I feel somewhat dissuaded from my earlier No–name paranoia.
@ Kel: You are strangely quiet, especially given that you're usually posting the post counts for a Mafia thread. Just satin.
@ Higgi: when are you going to have regular internet agaain?
@ Bacon: Still curious about you/NBF stacking on Higgi/Kel & curious to hear your side.
@ SFA: Your guess as to Bek's "7th player" identity voting LLL, as has been postulated?
@ noage: do you think Bacon's vote change last round was suspicious?
@ NoD: there oughta be a Heckler role just for you.
@ LLL: Why did Bacon save you? Or was that killing JHam instead?
i am curious to why you are asking certain people game related questions, but then Higgi and NoD you just let slide with a dumb ? or remark.
I am not going to follow Kdogg's lead or thoughts. I think he is jumping on the NBF bandwagon to make me look guilty. I have the same amount of post as Higgi and mine have actually been game related and his have been about the internet or coachella bug. So you guys want to make me look guilty, you need to look in other directions. And we all see who Kdogg voted for this round....Bacon. Don't get fooled by the long winded post.
NBF- why do you call me out for not posting when Higgi hasn't said anything game related? Kdogg- Same question, then you vote for bacon. seems shady to me!
Post by NothingButFlowers on May 1, 2011 10:12:47 GMT -5
Kel, mainly because I've seen you specifically say before that you are suspicious of players who don't say much. Arguably, because you've made such a point of saying that, yOu would also make a point of talking mote if you were mafia, but still, it's hard for me to overlook the fact that you've said very little when you ordinarily have a lot to say. But you are also right that higgi deserves some attention for his lack of speaking up. As I said in my last post, I have seen higgi hang back from discussions before when he was in the mafia.
I don't have anything to say but I would like everyone to know I am keeping up and reading. I didn't mean to get Higgi in a run-off I don't particularly think he is guilty but I know im innocent so kill whoever you must.
Sorry, on my phone this post. Waiting up to meet peeps from my other board in Milwaukee for brewery tour today. Qs/comments for all.
@nbf: you know I am trusting you more the longer we have these talks, right? I mean, look. Here we are, Day Two near vote close, and I feel somewhat dissuaded from my earlier No–name paranoia.
@ Kel: You are strangely quiet, especially given that you're usually posting the post counts for a Mafia thread. Just satin.
@ Higgi: when are you going to have regular internet agaain?
@ Bacon: Still curious about you/NBF stacking on Higgi/Kel & curious to hear your side.
@ SFA: Your guess as to Bek's "7th player" identity voting LLL, as has been postulated?
@ noage: do you think Bacon's vote change last round was suspicious?
@ NoD: there oughta be a Heckler role just for you.
@ LLL: Why did Bacon save you? Or was that killing JHam instead?
i am curious to why you are asking certain people game related questions, but then Higgi and NoD you just let slide with a dumb ? or remark.
I am not going to follow Kdogg's lead or thoughts. I think he is jumping on the NBF bandwagon to make me look guilty. I have the same amount of post as Higgi and mine have actually been game related and his have been about the internet or coachella bug. So you guys want to make me look guilty, you need to look in other directions. And we all see who Kdogg voted for this round....Bacon. Don't get fooled by the long winded post.
NBF- why do you call me out for not posting when Higgi hasn't said anything game related? Kdogg- Same question, then you vote for bacon. seems shady to me!
Kel, applying your same line of thought, SFA only has one post more than you and higgi. (all three of you have fewer posts than the two dead players) Why did you call out higgi and not SFA?
Sorry, on my phone this post. Waiting up to meet peeps from my other board in Milwaukee for brewery tour today. Qs/comments for all.
@nbf: you know I am trusting you more the longer we have these talks, right? I mean, look. Here we are, Day Two near vote close, and I feel somewhat dissuaded from my earlier No–name paranoia.
@ Kel: You are strangely quiet, especially given that you're usually posting the post counts for a Mafia thread. Just satin.
@ Higgi: when are you going to have regular internet agaain?
@ Bacon: Still curious about you/NBF stacking on Higgi/Kel & curious to hear your side.
@ SFA: Your guess as to Bek's "7th player" identity voting LLL, as has been postulated?
@ noage: do you think Bacon's vote change last round was suspicious?
@ NoD: there oughta be a Heckler role just for you.
@ LLL: Why did Bacon save you? Or was that killing JHam instead?
i am curious to why you are asking certain people game related questions, but then Higgi and NoD you just let slide with a dumb ? or remark.
I asked that question of Higgi because I was wondering how many times (and for how long) he would be using the internet excuse.
Look at what NoD has been saying all game, and you'll notice why it might be difficult to pin him down with a game-related question: he spent the first five pages or so heckling players this game, and didn't really say much of substance until he called me a killer.
I would love to answer NBF's question right now, but work beckons for now. Wish I could've gotten to the thread earlier today, but my Droid took a bath last night so I've been freaking out trying to salvage an expensive piece of equipment. I'll get back to you on that.
I say SFA with very personal reasons behind. This mofo has been hounding me for months to play Mafia. "You should play Mafia" this, "Hey you'd really like Mafia" that. Then he goes and puts me in a run-off? He told me before the game to not worry, that new players are generally given the role of townspeople so that they can get into the groove of the game. So he KNOWS I'm a townsperson. I was an easy kill. However, he also knows that I work over 60 hours a week and have two kids to take care of. I don't have a whole lot of free time on my hands. If I didn't make it past the first round, I would likely never play again. I lose interest in things very easily unless I get hooked on them. So why didn't he take me out of the run-off?
NBF already proved that I was wrong about the new players thing. I've admitted I was wrong about that but I can tell from your posts that you are probable innocent. That's for personal reasons, as well.
I have no way of proving this but I was willing to change to Jham IF I had to save you. For one, I still think it's rare for a newb to be Mafia, so between the two in the first run-off you would be the safest bet.
As I've already explained, this is the first game I've played where the first round had no vote switches before a runoff, which makes me think that the Mafia is sitting back watching us all destroy ourselves. Speaking of personal reasons, you know that I'm rarely around the internet during the day. I didn't have the ability to change my vote at the last minute.
This is a game that can get you killed if you vote with your emotions. I couldn't just switch things up because I want you to play again. That would be putting a huge target on my back. Look what happened to Bacon for doing so. However, I am happy he did it.
As for Bacon and I working together to get you through the round. That would be some pretty sloppy Mafia work. If I were Mafia, I would have 2 other people to work with. We could have saved you in a lot less suspicious manner. NBF is right. The mafia would want to keep a new player around.
Higgi because he is very quiet for a veteran player, and because of something that I may or may not have hallucinated that occured on page 6. Which also confirms my suspicion of SFA. I know it was there, but now it is not and I know that SOMEONE will know what I am talking about.
This is interesting. You think Bacon and I are in cahoots but you vote for Higgi.
I am not going to follow Kdogg's lead or thoughts. I think he is jumping on the NBF bandwagon to make me look guilty. I have the same amount of post as Higgi and mine have actually been game related and his have been about the internet or coachella bug. So you guys want to make me look guilty, you need to look in other directions. And we all see who Kdogg voted for this round....Bacon. Don't get fooled by the long winded post.
NBF- why do you call me out for not posting when Higgi hasn't said anything game related? Kdogg- Same question, then you vote for bacon. seems shady to me!
Kel, applying your same line of thought, SFA only has one post more than you and higgi. (all three of you have fewer posts than the two dead players) Why did you call out higgi and not SFA?
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I'm not really sure, but it is purely innocent, or not innocent at all. (duh). See below. 
