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Post by stallion pt. 2 on Sept 1, 2007 13:36:43 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
i would be really interested in hearing how much of a fine that pig with 2 ounces from roo in his house got for that. hopefully some obscene amount. and some drug counseling programs that cost hundereds of dollars, some court costs, and probation with piss tests. and of course he should lose his job for having such a dangerous and horrible substance around. but im betting he got nothing.
Remember brownie cop and his wife? He didn't get sh!t, and I doubt this pig did either.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Just saw an interesting blurb in the local scandal sheet-The Monroe County Buzz. Crack Tax Ruled Illegal, Judge Lee Says "Unconstitutional". Tennessee's crack tax was ruled unconstitutional by the TN Court of Appeals on Friday. Hope this helps the rice krispie treats guy.
Just saw an interesting blurb in the local scandal sheet-The Monroe County Buzz. Crack Tax Ruled Illegal, Judge Lee Says "Unconstitutional". Tennessee's crack tax was ruled unconstitutional by the TN Court of Appeals on Friday. Hope this helps the rice krispie treats guy.
No kidding. If you got pinched in Tenn recently, and you have pending cases, get you attorney to push them through right now while the tax has been stayed.
Post by soundtribe_junkie on Sept 11, 2007 18:52:38 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
i would be really interested in hearing how much of a fine that pig with 2 ounces from roo in his house got for that. hopefully some obscene amount. and some drug counseling programs that cost hundereds of dollars, some court costs, and probation with piss tests. and of course he should lose his job for having such a dangerous and horrible substance around. but im betting he got nothing.
...and from earlier sentiments about big bad amerika
I think you should put all this crap in perspective....WE are not starving in the effing backwoods of effing botswana...or in effing darfur with our family just effing MURDERED... that doesnt mean fight for what you believe in, but damn, stop whining...we are some damn lucky folks to even THINK about going to a festival...we are the richest people in the world for God's sake
so i cant question our laws not being applied to a cop because im not starving and my family wasnt murdered? do they have woods, let alone backwoods, in botswana? i do believe that we are damn lucky to be here in america. but it could be better. and our ancestors got the hell out of the disease and starvation filled areas of the earth and came to america to do work hard and die fighting to build america so it can be this way for us. but i think all of that will be wasted if we dont continue to speak up about injustices and abuses of power. this war on drugs is so worthless they are picking and choosing who to enforce it on and who to let slide. and what greater injustice and abuse of power is there then spending trillions on this worthless war on drugs and this worthless war in iraq while people are starving in botswana and genocide is happening in darfur? i for one think its disgusting and will continue to voice my opinion about it when i feel the need to.
Post by soundtribe_junkie on Sept 12, 2007 17:02:33 GMT -5
Good, Im glad you are ...and things can always get better...but thats why I wanted to bring up the point to keep it (the whole drug tax thing) in perspective. By all means, make your point.
It just struck me when I was reading some arguements (and often does), that we are so blessed and lucky to be able to experience any of these events..
and yeah, 'backwoods of botswana' is a figure of speech, dude
we all pay tax's on drugs . we buy drugs . our dealers get caught (and they always do ) and the feds, dea, state, whomever , take their money, car, house, evrything worth anything and auction it off . well that stuff was bought with our hard earned money . so they keep the money they claim to pursue the war or battle on drugs . so you see we all pay tax's on drugs
Post by poopzilla33 on Sept 16, 2007 22:14:10 GMT -5
i would love to live in the backwoods of bostonia and get out of this festering crap bowl called america, we dont need 3/4 of the shit we have, we waste so much shit, and why? cuz we're lazy and greedy, well i dont want to be a part of a country that doesnt share
right on. i was just givin ya hard time about the back woods of botswana candy.
and come on poop. bush has been sharing all sorts of bombs, bullets, and false intelligence with the rest of the world. how much more can one man give. well i guess he could achieve his goal and give the gift of christianity to the world when he brings about the return of jesus. i cant wait!!! i wonder what jesus would have to say about stealing peoples posessions and locking them up for a plant. or throwing bombs at everyone with oil they need to make trillions.
i love this country. i hate its government. i hate its social structure and ive got little use for most of its citizens. but even with its problems im pretty sure ill stick with america over botswana. i think their versions of dems and repubs carry weapons and do even less sharing then we do.
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Post by roolacksreality on Sept 17, 2007 9:26:59 GMT -5
You guys are my favorite people to post with. Particularly because every thread you all post in opinions that coincide with your political perspectives. But the best part is you all keep arguing with each other.
You guys need to see it from my perspective, the one of a sociologist who views these meager quarrels.
You people are the best! I'd throw all of you karma at once if things weren't the way they were.
Tennessee's Court of Appeals has overturned the state's "drug tax," a punishment disguised as a revenue measure. In addition to whatever criminal penalties they receive, drug offenders have to pay taxes on the drugs they possess, plus interest and penalties. The case heard by the appeals court involved Steven Waters, who was arrested in Knoxville after buying a kilogram of cocaine from a police informant for $12,000 and was then hit with a tax bill for more than $55,000. The trial court concluded that the drug tax, which is imposed automatically, violated Waters' right to due process and his privilege against self-incrimination, since a drug dealer who fails to identify himself as such to the government is punished for failing to comply with the tax law. (Almost four decades ago, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the federal Marihuana Tax Act for the same reason.) The appeals court rejected the tax on different grounds, finding that "the statute is arbitrary, capricious, and unreasonable and, therefore, invalid under the Tennessee Constitution, in that it seeks to tax as a privilege activity that prior legislation has designated as criminal activity."
A PDF of the decision is available here. In January I mentioned another case in which a trial court rejected Tennessee's drug tax. In a 2000 reason article, Stephen F. Hayes described one man's harrowing encounter with Indiana's drug tax. In a 2007 Reason Foundation study, Paul Messino reviewed the experiences of the 21 states that tax illegal drugs and explained why they shouldn't.
Post by BrokenLight on Oct 24, 2007 14:46:32 GMT -5
i've read the story a few times, and i guess i just don't get it...what happened? did this guy get arrested cause the cops found a rice krispie treat with pot in it? can someone explain what this story is saying?
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Oct 24, 2007 15:22:19 GMT -5
^^^^^^^ You basically have it.
Duder gets busted for having a rice crispie treat w/ weed in it. In Tenn., drug busts are treated as a revenue measure, and he is taxed (Re: fined) for not paying taxes on his illicit purchase (this did not include an actual criminal fine, the tax seems to be applied after fines are levied). The treat is weighed, and instead of quantifing the amount of THC in the sample to determine how much contaband was in the food, the whole treat was weiged and he is assessed a "tax" of $11,506, even though most of that weight was in Rice crispies and marshmallow, not pot. Tenn. judge finds this practice unconstitutional and duder gets (partially) off the hook.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Choke off their revenue and don't elect ANY of their bought and sold politicians.
THE IMPACT WOULD BE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE IF NOBODY TURNED OUT TO VOTE THAN IF EVERYBODY TURNED OUT TO VOTE.
SERIOUSLY!!! participating in such a fvcked up system like everything is good is whats wrong with this country. none of these assholes should be running a burger king let alone the world. quit voting for people that are all crooked just because it makes your life simple at the expense of the rest of the world and makes you feel good about your "participation." your vote means nothing. its all an illusion!!!
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alyroo
Bonnafunky Dirtyroo Princess of Blinkytown and moonpie expert
^ it may be a silent protest but "they" see it as apathy. They take it as a cue to do whatever "they" want... they figure so many aren't paying attention that no one will notice. my vote may not matter but at least it was an educated one and a sincere one based on the issues.
I participate because it's my duty as an American, not to make myself feel better. I haven't felt "better" in about 7 years
whatever it takes-but the higher the turnout, the lesser the change. it's a vote for the status quo and "they" are the only ones who care about turnout. quit listening to what they say and you'll feel great about yourself and maybe convince someone to effect change along with you. it IS a participatory thing, but you don't have to participate in the turnstiles "they" lay out for you.
a vote for the status quo is a consumation of a false democracy.
It's all good snoochie.. i realized i was opening a can of worms
I feel that being a loud mouthed liberal, I can be more of a change within the system. Not voting as a protest is admirable but I'm afraid it's futile.
If more people paid attention I don't think these jokers would ever get anywhere. It starts local... If the people of TX would've seen the bullsh*t yeeeears ago this country wouldn't be where it is now. They voted but they voted for a name not the doofus.
An EDUCATED vote is what makes a difference. Learn as much as you can about the screwed up system and then keep your eyes OPEN.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Oct 29, 2007 17:35:44 GMT -5
alyroo said:
It's all good snoochie.. i realized i was opening a can of worms
I feel that being a loud mouthed liberal, I can be more of a change within the system. Not voting as a protest is admirable but I'm afraid it's futile.
If more people paid attention I don't think these jokers would ever get anywhere. It starts local... If the people of TX would've seen the bullsh*t yeeeears ago this country wouldn't be where it is now. They voted but they voted for a name not the doofus.
An EDUCATED vote is what makes a difference. Learn as much as you can about the screwed up system and then keep your eyes OPEN.
Well put.
Direct action, protest, writing your representatives, supporting third-party candidates (or heaven forbid running yourself), becoming the media...All these are essential to a well-functioning and truely representative democracy.
However, "protesting" by not voting is no protest. If you are not participating in the most basic excercise of democracy, you are telling the powers that be that you don't care. If you don't vote, you are abdicating your democratic obligation to others, basically saying they should make decisions for you. There are good, populist candidates out there, some even in major parties. Please support them, and vote for them if you can. And if the ballot totally makes you nauseus no matter who's there, than press for a vote of "no confidence" or "none of the above" to be on every ballot in America. But don't be lazy and call it a "protest." That's lame.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
I'm with ya to a degree. when it comes down to national politics, though, we really have NO choice. Any candidate will have his/her hand in the cookie jar or will be unable to defend smear campaigns that call them unelectable or whatnot.
I advocate voting local though. Get to know incumbent judges and what they have stood for or against by record.
I salivate over the pipe dream that ANY American interviewed by the corporate press could answer "None of the Above" and give a brief description of why not rather than ogling at the opportunity to be on tv and give another raqueteer a handjob when asked whom he/she will vote for.
It's all good snoochie.. i realized i was opening a can of worms
I feel that being a loud mouthed liberal, I can be more of a change within the system. Not voting as a protest is admirable but I'm afraid it's futile.
If more people paid attention I don't think these jokers would ever get anywhere. It starts local... If the people of TX would've seen the bullsh*t yeeeears ago this country wouldn't be where it is now. They voted but they voted for a name not the doofus.
An EDUCATED vote is what makes a difference. Learn as much as you can about the screwed up system and then keep your eyes OPEN.
Well put.
Direct action, protest, writing your representatives, supporting third-party candidates (or heaven forbid running yourself), becoming the media...All these are essential to a well-functioning and truely representative democracy.
However, "protesting" by not voting is no protest. If you are not participating in the most basic excercise of democracy, you are telling the powers that be that you don't care. If you don't vote, you are abdicating your democratic obligation to others, basically saying they should make decisions for you. There are good, populist candidates out there, some even in major parties. Please support them, and vote for them if you can. And if the ballot totally makes you nauseus no matter who's there, than press for a vote of "no confidence" or "none of the above" to be on every ballot in America. But don't be lazy and call it a "protest." That's lame.
Lazy would be being happy with masturbation. Like voting for the lesser of two evils and thinking you had impact. Like I said- a consumation.
Lazy would be keeping my mouth shut and thinking Hillary was different than Rudy. And then feeling good because I did my "duty".
What if the "Minutemen" thought it was enough to vote against the queen ?
I am advocating and practicing off the grid economics, accountability, and sacrifice, and you think that's lazy ?
I'm with ya to a degree. when it comes down to national politics, though, we really have NO choice. Any candidate will have his/her hand in the cookie jar or will be unable to defend smear campaigns that call them unelectable or whatnot.
not true... the good ones are ignored by the press... screw the press... go investigate the candidates... just because the only ones they talk about are Hill and Obama or Rudy and McCain doesn't mean that those are the only ones talking...
may I suggest reading up on Joe Biden. He is nobody's shill... and I think Edwards genuinely cares.
There are good people in politics, not perfect, but good... not many... but a few
