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First off, I wish I was not typing this on my phone. Second, when I first read EHG post about being inspector, I was very skeptical and I still am. Even when it supports my theory. At this point I say let him go another round. If he is inspector, mafia should whack him tonight. But then that also brings legitimacy to him as inspector or they might let him live as a way to discredit him. Either way I say let him live. EHG, why did you pick LLL as your first guess? I thinly this needs to be answered.
NBF, you have no foot to stand on when talking about, why would you have voted for Dubbits that round, if Dubbits was your so-called Mafia partner.
I never put Quacker as Mafia, only when we butted heads on LD did I think that.
EAP, LLL called you out early on if I am not mistaken. For me, you became possible Mafia, after you went from me and voted for EHG.
KK, I have not put you as mafia.
Dubbits, you as Mafia fits into my orginal theory. The one MikeD supported.
Again, EHG why guess LLL after the first day?
It just took me 25 minutes to type this response , but I am at Fucking SOSMP! Fuckin'-Yay!!!
Yes, this can fit a number of theories regardless of whether it's a fake inspector move or the real inspector coming out. But I'm also reluctant to "just let him live another round" because if he is pulling a fake inspector move we may not have another round. Still digesting....
Post by Mr.BelgianAmbers on Sept 22, 2011 11:36:29 GMT -5
You'll see in the end that I'm the inspector. I'm giving everyone a beer if I'm not. But yes, if I live another round then this game isn't finished right away. if I die, then mafia will kill another townspeople and we would lose.
I understand that you guys believe that acted suspicious by saying Scrog is mafia, but I still think he could be. The chance of him being mafia is small, but everyone could be mafia. And I would be the most afraid of him being mafia. His theory makes the most sense to me, so if he's mafia I'm screwed. But he's not, otherwise he would vote for me.
I asked for LLL because that was the first person I suspected of being mafia. Why? because everyone was voting for LLL. Who else should I asked for? I doesn't make any sense to me to ask anyone else.
EAP sorry, you ARE a girl. My mistake. I only think you're mafia because I don't think Quacker is. But if I look more into it it's more like 50/50 between you 2. I don't look to much into the votes because as NBF proved, mafia can vote for eachother just to let other people doubt that they are mafia.
I hope this clears some things up. What else do I have to say to prove that I'm mafia?
NBF, you have no foot to stand on when talking about, why would you have voted for Dubbits that round, if Dubbits was your so-called Mafia partner.
Scrog, I've already conceded that my vote for Duddits in the first round doesn't necessarily mean that he and I were not mafia together, but it also doesn't mean that we were. And as I think you see, there are also a lot of other problems with Mr. Belgian Manders' story.
Post by Mr.BelgianAmbers on Sept 22, 2011 12:59:56 GMT -5
NBF and Duddits are mafia 100%. I know that it sounds like I'm trying to save my own ass, but I'm trying to save the townspeople. If NBF doesn't get voted off, we lose. Because if I get voted of they only have to whack 1 townspeople right?
So if NBF is voted off we can do another round because mafia will kill me. And that will proof that I'm Inspector. If they don't kill me it probably means that there's only 1 mafia left.
NBF and Duddits are mafia 100%. I know that it sounds like I'm trying to save my own ass, but I'm trying to save the townspeople. If NBF doesn't get voted off, we lose. Because if I get voted of they only have to whack 1 townspeople right?
So if NBF is voted off we can do another round because mafia will kill me. And that will proof that I'm Inspector. If they don't kill me it probably means that there's only 1 mafia left.
Right?
HEG, you know that I was not suspecting NBF as Mafia in the posts where Scrog and I disagreed. So I am going to be pretty skeptical and I want you to understand why. If this is a fake inspector move then we may not get another round. For example, if this is a fake inspector move:
Under this scenario you would obviously be Mafia. Any two of KrunchyKat/Scrog/Duddits/EAP could be Mafia. NBF (under this scenario a Townie) gets voted off and one of the remaining two Townies get whacked and the Mafia wins. I'm not saying that this is what's happening. I just don't know if you understand why there is speculation about whether to believe you or not. And yes, Duddits could be in on this with you. Just because you name him it doesn't mean that he isn't in on it because if it is a fake inspector move we would never get a chance to vote him off anyway.
Post by krunchykat on Sept 22, 2011 13:59:04 GMT -5
I've thought that NBF is mafia since we voted off LLL and MikeD was whacked. I've also had Belgian tagged as inspector since then too. I figured he was trying to throw mafia off when he voted for Scrog then proceeded to talk about how he thought Scrog's theory was right. Noob mistakes have been made, and I can say I'm glad I wasn't inspector for my first game.
Just because I'm backing Belgian doesn't mean it comes without doubts, because I do have my doubts about it all. In this game you really can't trust anyone 100%. But I'm going with my gut and if I'm right the townies will win this game. If I'm wrong you all can publicly punish me at the brunch next year.
Quacker, we disagree about LD, that is fair. I do not know if EHG is telling the truth or not and there is no way of you knowing if I am telling the truth, but for what it is worth, I am not Mafia! Bottom line.
Gotcha Scrogster. I'm certainly not sold on anyone at this point either except myself. I've tried to be more attentive to this game now that I have one under my belt. I know that you and I have been at odds on the LD thing and I've voted for you but I've never been 100% sold on who I was voting for at any point in either game I've played.
Post by Mr.BelgianAmbers on Sept 22, 2011 15:47:16 GMT -5
You guys, I'm going to bed. I explained myself and I hope that you understand why I didn't reveal my identity. I just didn't know, I wish I could proof that. And I agree that's suspicious and I'm certainly gonna be like you guys in the next game. Don't trust anyone.
Btw, if I would be a fake Inspector I would've said that Scrog was mafia too. I have no hate against Scrog, but like I said in the beginning of this round, I'm scared that he might be mafia. But like NBF pointed it out, that wouldn't make any sense because Scrog thinks that NBF is mafia and he's right about that. Could be a VERY smart move if he's mafia, but I'm thinking he's just a smart guy that's playing this game right.
NBF = mafia (I knew this before round 1 as I'm the inspector)
Guess 1: LLL NOT MAFIA - why I suspected LLL? Because a lot of people voted for LLL in the first round and I wanted to know if LLL was mafia as everyone voted for LLL.
Guess 2: Duddits MAFIA - why I suspected Duddits? Kind of a lucky guess, I think (without looking back at round 2) he backed NBF and starting to think that that could point out that Duddits is indeed mafia. I was right.
Why didn't I let fellow townspeople know who's mafia? Easy, I was trying to keep low profile and start convincing people a little bit later. Round 2 was too early as no one really had everyone right as mafia. Scrog is close and I tought that looked suspicious and started thinking that he could play this game in a smart way as "mafia" but NBF made it clear for me that he isn't mafia. Or they are just really good at it.
i'm not really sure where you actually said you think scrog is mafia. you said it for about 5 seconds and then you changed your vote. if you were fake inspector, then that means you are mafia and if scrog is mafia, then you would of course go for the people who have spoken out the most against scrog to cast suspicion away from him.
you still haven't responded to my question: if i am mafia with nbf and duddits, why in the WORLD would i say this??
i just can't get over how "convenient" this seems to be for you.
that said, i keep going back to the fact that if the second group really is mafia, then they are all still alive. at least with the first group, LLL is dead.
also, krunchy, i realllllly think it is weird that you keep saying how you "knew belgian was the inspector". how could have possibly known this?? there have been several players who have been very quiet and i don't really understand why you would pick belgian over the others.
i really don't trust you belgian but the fact that the second group still has 3 members alive troubles me.
Guess 2: Duddits MAFIA - why I suspected Duddits? Kind of a lucky guess, I think (without looking back at round 2) he backed NBF and starting to think that that could point out that Duddits is indeed mafia. I was right
I'm not sure why you would call me suspicious. I haven't done anything suspicious at all. I voted for my voting partner, I only switched my vote when I had to
I figured someone would have started doubling up votes by now, I hope someone else does. Still not a whole lot to go on, but my first thought was to look at non-Noage voters as the mafia would want to avoid killing someone tied to em/voted for by mafia, but that is everyone but me.
If LLL is mafia, it also points to Scrog who was the first to change a vote in the last runoff, then LD followed and "gave up" so to speak. It seems to me that once someone does this, they are more often mafia than not, at least in the past few games. This leads me to believe that Scrog and LLL are both innocent. This leaves:
EAP NBF Mike D Quacker Mr. Belgian Manders Duddits krunchykat
Take out the LD voters and this leaves
NBF Mike D Duddits
I would figure that if LD was mafia that only 1-2 would vote for him. I know I am a townie and this leaves NBF and Duddits. I feel our best chances at getting a mafia this round are between these two and would encourage a runoff including at least these two players.
Mike D >> NBF
This logic works out to an extent, however simply because I didn't vote for LD in the runoff does not indicate that I would be mafia. My first vote was for my voting partner LLL, moments after she voted for me (as per our agreement for voting partners). After that I was put into the runoff by NBF. I read what LLL was posting, as well as what LD was posting, and neither seemed more suspicous over the other, so I kept my vote the same throughout the runoffs for LLL. I figured if I changed my vote half way through the runoff for no strong reason it may cause weariness in the eyes of my fellow townies. Was LD mafia? I have no idea. I agree it was weird that he voted for himself.
This round I voted for LLL again because in all honesty I didn't see anyone else that stood out from the rest. Scrog maybe for the last minute vote change, but thats about it (and again thats not enough for me to think he's mafia over LLL, or any of the quieter players for that matter). So again I decided to go with my voting partner while things pan out.
Well, this being my first game, my head is spinning in so many different directions right now. It seems, to me at least, that we still don't have any concrete evidence as to who is mafia at this point. There's a WHOLE lot of speculation going on and I've read and re-read these 8 pages. My gut tells me LD was not mafia, that LLL could have very well been mafia, and that these mafia whacks are not making any sense at all to me. Not sure if Scrog is mafia or not, but it now seems that Mr. Belgian Manders has 'sided' with him as well.
You thanked duddits for his "explanation" which was partially my quote! You can't be serious.
I didn't mean to offend by quoting you. My reaction to this round was HEG voted for Scrog. Scrog questioned HEG on why he voted for him. Then all of a sudden he votes HEG>>>Scrog>>>TBD. This bluntly points out that HEG has no intentions of making his final vote for Scrog at this point. His reasoning is that Scrog's argument makes the most sense and places his vote for NBF (which still stands). This is easily the most unexplained vote switch second to Scrog saving LLL at the very last moment in Day 1.
*** Mr. Belgian Manders, these are the posts I've made in this game (every one except for a post that had nothing to do with the actual Mafia game). I would ask of you to please explain where exactly I am backing up NBF in my posts because I have no idea what you're talking about. You state you are the inspector, yet you read the pleas of us fellow townies to reveal yourself on more than one occasion earlier in the game, and you did not. An inspector would not sit in silence and watch fellow townies get picked off by the mafia (thats a mafia-esque thing to do). You didn't even try to non-chalantly sway other townies into voting who you thought/knew was mafia, seeing as how you're the inspector and all.
Now all of a sudden the voters have backed you into a corner, and you state you are the inspector. Even moreso you oh so conveniently label two of the townies that voted against you this round as 'mafia'. If I'm mafia and you are the inspector then why vote for Scrog??? Then you change your vote and defend Scrog and yet you still don't vote for me. I REALLY have trouble believing you, I think you are a faux-inspector who is actually Mafia trying to save your own skin at this point, which is why my vote will remain the same for you.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Sept 22, 2011 17:46:25 GMT -5
EAP, that works the other way too, though. If LLL was not the third mafia member, then it seems very likely that it is krunchykat, so if you kill me, then mafia will win.
(i promise i will decide for sure by the time i go to bed tonight.)
That's fine. Several people have been asked questions, so I'll leave things be for awhile. I'll be up late anyway. Vote Talley: NBF - 3 Mr Belgian Manders - 3
Votes So Far: Scrog >>> NBF Mr. Belgian Manders >>> Scrog >>> Null >>> NBF Duddits >>> Mr Belgian Manders Krunchykat >>> NBF NBF >>> Scrog >>> Mr. Belgian Manders Quacker >>> Scrog >>> null >>> Mr. Belgian Manders EAP >>> Mr Belgian Manders >>> NBF >>> Null
Left To Vote: EAP
Voting remains open.
Last Edit: Sept 22, 2011 20:01:16 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
Regardless of that the fact that it makes me look guilty as sh!t if this is a real inspector post, I have to say it seems too contrived. I know that my perspective may seem colored considering my prior posts but I still see no reason to suspect NBF. I go back over her posts and, if she is Mafia, I would have to say that she's played a flawless game. I have less surety about Duddits because he has posted less and been less vocal as NBF. I also think that Duddits (or Dubbits as Scrog seems to prefer) makes some strong points although I think he has been posting too little to gain appreciable insight as to whether he is Mafia or not.
I say this with the knowledge that I might be being totally played but I was played to the hilt by LLL last game and am still living it down. I still have to say that it seems too contrived and orchestrated to accept. If this comes down to biting me in the ass so be it. I have to come to the conclusion that this is a ruse. I can't believe that I've been that far off. I'm standing pat.
^ that is what is keeping me from staying my vote with NBF. it just seems all to convenient that all of the sudden after us begging and begging for the inspector to come out, he only does when he is up against the wall.
ugh. i'm just going to have to go with my gut. i'm sorry townies if i've screwed up. :/
Votes So Far: Scrog >>> NBF Mr. Belgian Manders >>> Scrog >>> Null >>> NBF Duddits >>> Mr Belgian Manders Krunchykat >>> NBF NBF >>> Scrog >>> Mr. Belgian Manders Quacker >>> Scrog >>> null >>> Mr. Belgian Manders EAP >>> Mr Belgian Manders >>> NBF >>> Null >>> Mr. Belgian Manders
Voting remains open.
I'll leave it open until around midnight EST, so everyone has a chance to check in.
Last Edit: Sept 22, 2011 22:18:12 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
EAP, last game I was way off on your role, but I was on to something. For what ever it matters, I am not mafia. It struck me as very odd why you voted for him and that is why I barked up your tree..I have no idea if he is Mafia, but I am not. Vote your gut!
I started writing that last post pre-EOTO, I beu you guys to change your vote and let it go one more round. EOTO is killing it, if things do not change, Mafia win!
Being hot and European made the wrong person jealous. What a way to go...
Votes: Scrog >>> NBF Mr. Belgian Manders >>> Scrog >>> Null >>> NBF Duddits >>> Mr Belgian Manders Krunchykat >>> NBF NBF >>> Scrog >>> Mr. Belgian Manders Quacker >>> Scrog >>> null >>> Mr. Belgian Manders EAP >>> Mr Belgian Manders >>> NBF >>> Null >>> Mr. Belgian Manders
Day 3 is over; night 3 begins.
Mafia send me your whack. Inspector send me your guess.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
i'm not really sure where you actually said you think scrog is mafia. you said it for about 5 seconds and then you changed your vote. if you were fake inspector, then that means you are mafia and if scrog is mafia, then you would of course go for the people who have spoken out the most against scrog to cast suspicion away from him.
you still haven't responded to my question: if i am mafia with nbf and duddits, why in the WORLD would i say this??
i just can't get over how "convenient" this seems to be for you.
that said, i keep going back to the fact that if the second group really is mafia, then they are all still alive. at least with the first group, LLL is dead.
also, krunchy, i realllllly think it is weird that you keep saying how you "knew belgian was the inspector". how could have possibly known this?? there have been several players who have been very quiet and i don't really understand why you would pick belgian over the others.
i really don't trust you belgian but the fact that the second group still has 3 members alive troubles me.
EAP>>>>NBF
I didn't know, I guessed. I thought that there were three possibilities for inspector - MikeD, Duddits or Belgian. After MikeD was killed I wasn't really sure it was him. After we voted off LLL I reread everything and started suspecting NBF and then made the connection of Belgian's votes following her. That doubled with the fact that he was being kind of quiet. Then when the next round started the people I suspected of being mafia were voting for Belgian and he started saying more to point to NBF and Duddits. If NBF and EAP are so sure Scrog is mafia and he's making so much noise against them then why didn't they vote for him instead of Belgian? Because I think mafia was on to him as inspector as well. It all helped back my suspicions. I still don't know anything for sure and I won't until the game is over. I've not claimed to KNOW anything, it's just what I believe to be true.
, but I am at Fucking SOSMP! Fuckin'-Yay!!!
