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I went through the whole thread trying to glean some insight into this vote because I could possibly be handing over the game to the Mafia by going the wrong way here. Obviously I can't be certain I'm doing the right thing because there has been no screaming red flags as far as I can see.
So I have to go with subtle yellow flags instead. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that my suspicions of scrog and LLL are correct.
Quacker, I have no idea if LLL is Mafia or not, but what makes you think LD was NOT Mafia? Did he not put up red flags? the whole coin-flip thing, talking about the best way to make us "clueless", in one post talking about voting LLL off in a coin-flip, next-to-next post he talks about voting her off for being suspicious(what did she do in between those post to be 'suspicious'?), talking about being too "clueless" to be Mafia, voting for himself. because your yellow flags are wrong, at least from this end, I do not know if LLL is Mafia or not., but there is not a connection between us. (I hound on LD, because I think he was Mafia and NBF follows in that thinking)
Can you explain to me or show me specific actions, posts that she has done that makes her more suspicious than LD?
The "infamous" coin flip vid. I thought it was clever and funny although a bit unconvetional. My take is that he had no inclination to vote one way or another and used the coin flip to emphasize his point. You obviously saw something much more sinister in it than I did.
Since I'm gonna get the boot soon, might as well make the best of it. We need more random Simpsons references around here, so...
LD reacts to LLL's vote against him and seems to think that he's a dead man. I think that's inexperience and as this is only my second game I certainly remember how I felt in my first game and understand completely. Again you seem to think there's something sinister in this?!
I agree with you Mike D, LLL is more dangerous than LD. Mafia or not she is very hard to read. I am not sold on her or LD being Mafia, but I know LD has been paying attention to other Mafia member's traffic and has not posted much in this last run-off. Also, LD the coin flip? Why? I remember a virgin Mafia member using the 'coin flip' before. You said in the video this is the best way, "to make ya'll clueless." Why do we need to be made clueless? Can you explain that? Are you Mafia? If not, I would like a 12-15min video explaining why you are not Mafia, thanks.
I'm in Maryland right now, so I can't do up another video right now.
And poor choice in wording on my part. I can't really convince you people that I am not Mafia. Anything I say or do can and will be used against me in a court of law Inforoo. So, you'll just have to trust the fact that I'm too clueless to be Mafia and Trips sounds really suspicious.
I honestly think that if I survive this round, I'm gone the next. So what the hell does it matter?
EDIT: fixed a typo
LD reacting to you jumping on him for being so suspicious. He doesn't understand that you jump on everybody this way every game and is expecting to get voted off. I hadn't seen anything other than playfulness in any of his posts. You obviously saw it differently.
His last post. IMO you essentially bullied him out of the game. Considering his experience level I don't see this as a hoax by a Mafia making a last-ditch attempt to stay alive. I think he just got tired of you picking on him.
So that explains everything I've thought about LD this whole game and why your theories based on him being Mafia have not had a big impact on my thinking.
I went through the whole thread trying to glean some insight into this vote because I could possibly be handing over the game to the Mafia by going the wrong way here. Obviously I can't be certain I'm doing the right thing because there has been no screaming red flags as far as I can see.
So I have to go with subtle yellow flags instead. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that my suspicions of scrog and LLL are correct.
quacker>>>LLL
They are incorrect. If you are a townsperson, you are falling right into the trap that Mafia is setting for you. If you are Mafia, then you are doing a nice job of duping the townspeople.
I also would bet my bottom dollar that if Scrog is not Mafia (I'm not getting Mafia vibe from him at all), they will keep him around so that they can set him up next round, leaving 2-3 of them and only a handful of townspeople left. Setting them up for the win.
Since I'm likely going to be voted off I would advise watching NBF, EAP and either KK or Duddits. I've never played with either of them, so I don't know about their playing style, but EAP and NBF's playing is nuanced in comparison to the times I've played with them and they have been townspeople. KK and Duddits seem to be aligning with these two players, so that is why I say watch them. Scrog seems to be playing the same as he did when he was not Mafia, not the same as he did when he was Mafia. Quacker is hard to tell since I've only played with him once, but he doesn't seem much different from that time. Hot European doesn't seem very suspicious either. Mike D isn't acting the same as he did when he was Mafia either. Mafia will be LLL voters for this round, I'm pretty sure of that.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Since it's the weekend I'm planning on leaving this open until I get off work tomorrow (4-5pmish?). If there is no real conversation going I'll close it. If there is some chatter I'll let it go on a bit longer.
Last Edit: Sept 16, 2011 22:10:15 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I'm going to need to do some re-reading before I make this vote. It could be make-or-break for the game if LD was NOT Mafia and I choose a Townie. Ideally NBF and LLL are both Mafia and my vote will get at least one of them but that is not likely.
I am not mafia, I'm not so sure about NBF. I would not have suggested and rallied for only a two person run-off if we were both mafia. I would have wanted a 3 person run-off to try to save out asses. I am feeling something from NBF, mind you I play primarily off of gut feeling that I pick up from subtle changes in human behavior. NBF and EAP were pushing hard for a wider run-off, and EAP after suggesting that too many in a run-off doesn't tell you anything last game. I think that 3 is too many. NBF could have squeeked out of that run-off unscathed, leaving Scrog and I to be voted off.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Note she was Inspector last game, not Mafia. I think her role this game may have changed.
well....i guess you are right. my role is different this time. i'm not inspector and i'm not mafia. i'm just a townsperson.
Suggesting in this case, and "knowing" or being "sure of" are totally different things. I do not know who mafia is. You seem pretty paranoid/fixated that I am "sure" of something in regards to who isn't and who is Mafia. I never used the term "know". Does this mean you are Mafia and think that I am Inspector because I am suggesting you so much? I am not Inspector.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Quacker, Thank you for answer my question and giving me anothers perspective on my theory. First, I said nothing about post #8 and the Chowder Simpson video, although now I see he was already to get the boot when he posted this one. Before #8 post I had said nothing to LD, but he was already saying, " Since I'm gonna get the boot soon, might as well make the best of it. We need more random Simpsons references around here, so..." Before I said a word, he was already talking about being voted off early. Before you post I had no issues with LD post #8, but now I do. I do see issue between the 6th post and the 9th post, where LD reason for voting for LLL go from a coin-flip to her being suspicious(and in between that time her post do not show anything suspicious).
So, Bullied him out of the game? Here are my 4 post during that time.
I agree with you Mike D, LLL is more dangerous than LD. Mafia or not she is very hard to read. I am not sold on her or LD being Mafia, but I know LD has been paying attention to other Mafia member's traffic and has not posted much in this last run-off. Also, LD the coin flip? Why? I remember a virgin Mafia member using the 'coin flip' before. You said in the video this is the best way, "to make ya'll clueless." Why do we need to be made clueless? Can you explain that? Are you Mafia? If not, I would like a 12-15min video explaining why you are not Mafia, thanks.
I ask a simple question. The coin flip is weird, suspicious just like when I did it in my first game, and I was Mafia! so yes I see this coin-flip as "sinister". The 12-15min video comment was a joke, some playfulness.
So, LD knew I had posted on FB and not in Mafia. Maybe I am reaching, may be it is nothing, but it struck me as odd when it happened and now adds a little to LD possibly being Mafia.
When I was Mafia I watched everybody's traffic, who was online, but not posting in Mafia. I give my explanation to NBF here.
I agree with you MikeD. and since I just made a change, I think we should give it some time, for others to look over.
Quacker, you say I bullied and jumped on LD about being Mafia. Where? I have been vocal about him being Mafia and used him as my focal point for my theory on who is Mafia, but that is after he was voted off. I pointed out some discrepancies in his post and I ask about those, then I changed my vote, How did I bully him?
I had Dubbits as the third Mafia, due to voting for LLL the first round, but now I think Quacker you are in that mix, if you are not Mafia, your accusations toward me are making me think you are.
Well, I ain't got much to go on and it's very possible y'all are both innocent. I know I'm a townie and if either of y'all are mafia, then LLL would be more dangerous than LD alive.
I agree with you Mike D, LLL is more dangerous than LD. Mafia or not she is very hard to read. I am not sold on her or LD being Mafia, but I know LD has been paying attention to other Mafia member's traffic and has not posted much in this last run-off. Also, LD the coin flip? Why? I remember a virgin Mafia member using the 'coin flip' before. You said in the video this is the best way, "to make ya'll clueless." Why do we need to be made clueless? Can you explain that? Are you Mafia? If not, I would like a 12-15min video explaining why you are not Mafia, thanks.
Over 24 hours, at the last minute, Players are already talking about closing voting, I change my vote,
and LD, you can never be too "clueless" to not be Mafia. Ask Holls? and if it does not matter if you go this round or next, then
Scrog>>>LD
If LLL and I are Mafia, Why would I let my so-called-Mafia partner sit with the most votes for a full day, only to change my vote at the last minute, unless someone else looked 'highly suspicious'. The ref has been hittin' and missin' with closing the voting, voting could have been closed at anytime in that 24 hours. Looking back I should have let LD go on to the next round, but I wanted to see how people would react and I also risked being whacked that night.
Well, I ain't got much to go on and it's very possible y'all are both innocent. I know I'm a townie and if either of y'all are mafia, then LLL would be more dangerous than LD alive.
Mike D >> LLL
2 hours later I agree with MikeD.
Over 24 hours, at the last minute, Players are already talking about closing voting, I change my vote,
and LD, you can never be too "clueless" to not be Mafia. Ask Holls? and if it does not matter if you go this round or next, then
Scrog>>>LD
If LLL and I are Mafia, Why would I let my so-called-Mafia partner sit with the most votes for a full day, only to change my vote at the last minute, unless someone else looked 'highly suspicious'. The ref has been hittin' and missin' with closing the voting, voting could have been closed at anytime in that 24 hours. Looking back I should have let LD go on to the next round, but I wanted to see how people would react and I also risked being whacked that night.
Scrog, thanks for your response and explaining your reasoning. I certainly don't agree with all of it and I stand by my perception of LD's comments as being a noob. And your posts as being the ones that pushed him over the edge towards voting himself off. Even as a noob in Mafia I would feel pretty selfish if I let my Mafia cohorts down by voting myself off and that is another reason for my stance on LD. Right or wrong it's my gut.
Guess we will butt heads on this. LD voting for himself, and 'giving up', he was giving up before the round was over, and when he voted for himself he was all ready getting voted off, unless someone stepped up to save him. His vote for himself was not letting you and his fellow Mafia down. Yes, I am believing you are Mafia.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
LLL (AKA trips), were you at ACL? I almost P*d my pants laughing when Alison Krauss stopped singing and said ... Wow.. that's the first time I've seen a Unicorn on a stick.
We now return to the regular serious Mafia business schedule.
LLL (AKA trips), were you at ACL? I almost P*d my pants laughing when Alison Krauss stopped singing and said ... Wow.. that's the first time I've seen a Unicorn on a stick.
We now return to the regular serious Mafia business schedule.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I think everyone knows how I feel about that whack, MikeD was the only one, besides LLL, who has put any belief in my theory about who is Mafia. Quacker, I am only seeing you as Mafia, because you have been on me as Mafia and you adamantly do not belief LD was Mafia. I would ask you and KK to do some head-starching thinking today and vote smart and we can do this.
I have one question, Dubbits, what do you think about MikeD being whacked?
Now, I will start the voting.
Scrog>>>NBF
PS LD, I would like to remind you of rule #8, the BEK rule. I welcome you to post in here, but please be careful what you say. Thanks.
Post by krunchykat on Sept 19, 2011 0:22:39 GMT -5
I would like to hear what Duddits and Hot Foreign Guy have to think. I've not had a whole lot to say but they've both been really quiet. Maybe we could glean something from their thoughts?
I have to choose mafia out of the 6 we have left, excluding me since I'm a townie. I really need to go back and re-read this thread to see if I can piece together something a bit more concrete. I'm hoping we have eliminated at least one mafia at this point. If not I think we may be in trouble.
I do have a few ideas floating around in my head, but I think I'm gonna hold off on voting for a bit. Will we have until Tuesday a.m. to vote? I'm going to be in Louisville most of the day tomorrow visiting a friend and going to a show. If I don't vote by noon tomorrow it will have to wait until the wee hours of Tuesday morning.
Will we have until Tuesday a.m. to vote? I'm going to be in Louisville most of the day tomorrow visiting a friend and going to a show. If I don't vote by noon tomorrow it will have to wait until the wee hours of Tuesday morning.
Initial voting will be open until at least 12pm Tuesday EST. Depending on discussion, etc.
Post by Mr.BelgianAmbers on Sept 19, 2011 2:37:16 GMT -5
Hmm didn't expect this at all! I would think that the Mafia would whack Scrog. His theory makes the most sense to me. And if he isn't Mafia, why not whack him instead of MikeD?
Scrog, please try to proof a little bit more that you aren't mafia. I might change my vote depending on the other votes.
Hmm didn't expect this at all! I would think that the Mafia would whack Scrog. His theory makes the most sense to me. And if he isn't Mafia, why not whack him instead of MikeD?
Scrog, please try to proof a little bit more that you aren't mafia. I might change my vote depending on the other votes.
Mr. Belgian Manders >>> Scrog
Right now there are two theories out there about who is Mafia and who is not. My theory and the one were LLL and I are Mafia. If we look at the latter, LLL and I as Mafia, then I would assume MikeD would be our third member, because he has supported my theory
I figured someone would have started doubling up votes by now, I hope someone else does. Still not a whole lot to go on, but my first thought was to look at non-Noage voters as the mafia would want to avoid killing someone tied to em/voted for by mafia, but that is everyone but me.
If LLL is mafia, it also points to Scrog who was the first to change a vote in the last runoff, then LD followed and "gave up" so to speak. It seems to me that once someone does this, they are more often mafia than not, at least in the past few games. This leads me to believe that Scrog and LLL are both innocent. This leaves: EAP NBF Mike D Quacker Mr. Belgian Manders Duddits krunchykat Take out the LD voters and this leaves NBF Mike D Duddits I would figure that if LD was mafia that only 1-2 would vote for him. I know I am a townie and this leaves NBF and Duddits. I feel our best chances at getting a mafia this round are between these two and would encourage a runoff including at least these two players. Mike D >> NBF
If my theory makes the most sense to you, why did you vote for me? Is it because you think the Mafia would want to kill me for calling them out? Well A, them whacking me brings legitimacy to my theory and B, they are trying to whack the Inspector and it is clearly not me as the Inspector, if I was I would not be this loud and talking this much. The Inspector usually lays low. Mafia want me around, only two other people have shown support for my theory(MikeD and LLL). LLL just got voted off and MikeD was whacked, that leaves me with zero support and a group that was growing in support of me being Mafia. I would be their pawn, they want me around. They can sit back and let crazy Scrog talk himself into being Mafia. If I was Mafia, I am not killing off someone who supports my theory! At least not this early. I hold on to them and use them until the end(look at Mafia 37 and how I whacked Jack in the last round). If I was Mafia, I would not have whack MikeD. Now, I have been very verbal in who I think is Mafia, so why not whack me? Again, if Mafia whacks me, it brings legitimacy to my theory. Which is why KK and Quacker are starching their heads or at least I think that is the reason. Hot Euro Guy, If my theory makes the most sense to you, then you are voting for the wrong person. If my theory about who is Mafia does not seem right to you, than vote for me, but you will be voting for a townie.
If you are out there, Inspector it would be a good time to speak up. Let me know if I am right or way off base.
Post by Mr.BelgianAmbers on Sept 19, 2011 5:08:40 GMT -5
Like I said, your theory makes a lot of sense to me, but you could be ''the smart'' mafia member and let everyone think that they are voting for mafia while they are not. In my eyes, you're the only one I could see trying to do that.
This is a very hard game, and you did what I asked for. You explained the situation and now I'm in doubt who to vote for.
I'm gonna keep my vote for you, until there are more votes. I'm not saying that you are mafia. But if you are, you are playing it very good.
EDIT: also, saying that mafia needs you, makes you a little more suspicous
Like I said, your theory makes a lot of sense to me, but you could be ''the smart'' mafia member and let everyone think that they are voting for mafia while they are not. In my eyes, you're the only one I could see trying to do that.
why thank you for that compliment.
This is a very hard game, and you did what I asked for. You explained the situation and now I'm in doubt who to vote for.
Well, I can tell you who not to vote for. I will admit my theory might be wrong, but it makes sense to you, so I glad to hear that, but your vote for me I am not.
I'm gonna keep my vote for you, until there are more votes. I'm not saying that you are mafia. But if you are, you are playing it very good.
Actually, if I am Mafia, I am playing it very bad. because if I were Mafia, LLL would be Mafia as well, and the third would point to MikeD, it could be someone else, but Miked would be the obvious choice. So if I am Mafia, then LLL and MikeD would be the other Mafia. If I am playing Mafia good, then how do I have both my partners dead with me already having one vote this round, when only two people have voted and one of them was me, and I have others who have already said I am Mafia who have not voted yet. I would say if I am Mafia, I am playing poorly! but I am not Mafia and I know you are not saying that, and you are also saying my theory makes sense to you, so if I get voted off and the game does not end, remember what I have said.
EDIT: also, saying that mafia needs you, makes you a little more suspicous
Not really. I am drawing attention towards myself. My actions are making people think I am Mafia. Mafia love that. They want the attention on someone else. They might not 'need' me, but I bet they like having me here.
I am drawing attention towards myself. My actions are making people think I am Mafia. Mafia love that. They want the attention on someone else. They might not 'need' me, but I bet they like having me here.